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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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Eidan

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Michael Elgin seems more like you.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uImu2kiSzjk

HA! I just watched his match with Davey Richards the other day.
 

Coldsnap

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I think if I can cut down to his bf%, that would be perfect. He looks to be what? 13/14%? Maybe a bit less? A bit lean but still look strong and built which is what I want to do.

And dood, you look great. I am jealous of your physique.

He's higher than that. Probably 15-17%. My friend has the same physique and I'm trying to get close to that too. When we stand on a scale that says body fat % it says 20%. Getting that physique though means not caring about physique, it's more about getting strong having a strong back and you will look close to that.
 

Szu

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Following the 1 gram of protein per pound of lean body mass ratio requires tons of protein. Anyone else having trouble getting that in. Not in terms of availability, but in terms of hunger. Eating that much protein leaves me really full.

Well, this is how I've been organizing my protein intake. Please note that this is a rough estimate of my daily intake during my workout days.

8 am - 9 am: Breakfast consisting of at least 4 egg whites. Each egg white is about 3.5-4 grams of protein. Let's say 3.5 for the low ball figure. I also occasionally have some turkey sausage, which has more protein, but I'll leave that figure out for now.
Total = 3.5 * 4 = 14

12 pm: Lunch consisting of at least chicken breast. Four oz. chicken breast has about 30 grams of protein. I usually eat the chicken as a sandwich or a salad.
Total = 30

3 pm - 4 pm: Pre-workout protein shake. Two scoops of Whey at 25 grams each.
Total = 2 * 25 = 50

6:30 pm: Post-workout protein shake. Same two scoops.
Total = 2 *25 = 50

9 pm: Light dinner consisting of mainly chicken and sometimes fish. I'll assume the same amount of protein as lunch.
Total: 30

11 pm - 12 pm: One scoop of Casein at 24 grams.
Total: 24

Grand Total: 198

I currently weight about 190.
 

SeanR1221

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Muscle Maker Grill in New Jersey (of course we'd invent this chain) was great post-workout food, especially if there was a special deal on just getting wraps for like $4-5. Wish I had one near me in NYC, though I do get to eat it for lunch at work everyday.



Found it, and it's much cheaper too.

http://ironsport.merchanttribestores.com/

7.00 shipping kills it :(. I'm still really tempted to pull the trigger. It would be great to wear on deadlift and squat days

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I easily hit 200g of protein and that's way more than I need. I just have a protein at every meal and it adds up. Hell, my "manwich" recipe I posted yesterday easily nets you 100g of protein!
 

entremet

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Well, this is how I've been organizing my protein intake. Please note that this is a rough estimate of my daily intake during my workout days.

8 am - 9 am: Breakfast consisting of at least 4 egg whites. Each egg white is about 3.5-4 grams of protein. Let's say 3.5 for the low ball figure. I also occasionally have some turkey sausage, which has more protein, but I'll leave that figure out for now.
Total = 3.5 * 4 = 14

12 pm: Lunch consisting of at least chicken breast. Four oz. chicken breast has about 30 grams of protein. I usually eat the chicken as a sandwich or a salad.
Total = 30

3 pm - 4 pm: Pre-workout protein shake. Two scoops of Whey at 25 grams each.
Total = 2 * 25 = 50

6:30 pm: Post-workout protein shake. Same two scoops.
Total = 2 *25 = 50

9 pm: Light dinner consisting of mainly chicken and sometimes fish. I'll assume the same amount of protein as lunch.
Total: 30

11 pm - 12 pm: One scoop of Casein at 24 grams.
Total: 24

Grand Total: 198

I currently weight about 190.

That sounds good. Thanks! I don't do shakes, so that's probably why. I do remember doing shakes and feeling so full. But 190grams of meat, eggs, and what not leave me bloated.
 

despire

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Hate to repost but since my questions got left few pages back already I'll do it. Anyone got some advice?

So in other news I've been contemplating about going back to GSLP from RPT for the last stretch of my cut. I switched to RPT in hopes of it being a better cutting program but I've just managed to lose strength for the last month even though I've been eating way more. Everything went pretty awesomely with GSLP 5x,5+ rep scheme for weeks and took a turn for worse when I switched programs.

If I were to go back to GSLP would the two set rep scheme be enough to spare lean mass while training twice a week?

Wednesday
Bench 5x, 5+
Deadlift 5+
Chins

Sunday
Press 5x, 5+
Squat 5x, 5+

Any thoughts? Doing the third set isn't a problem if it's not too much volume..


Does anyone have any idea about how bad BCAA is for your teeth? Is it acidic enough to be concerned about like it is with soda?

I'd be interested to try it as a PWO instead of whey but if it is a risk for my teeth I'll skip.
 
HA! I just watched his match with Davey Richards the other day.

So good!

He's higher than that. Probably 15-17%. My friend has the same physique and I'm trying to get close to that too. When we stand on a scale that says body fat % it says 20%. Getting that physique though means not caring about physique, it's more about getting strong having a strong back and you will look close to that.

Really? That is comforting to know. I think that for my "cut" it won't even really be that. Just more of a recomp. I want to stay at the same weight just down to 14% or so from 17% and still be at 236ish. The one thing that bothers me is my "gut". I may not have one but when I eat a lot, I bloat out hard and it is quite evident. At the same time, when I am just sitting, it just pours over. I'm sure the amount of carbs I am eating is attributing to that and when I cut it out and increase the fats, I will feel better. If that makes any sense.

Not gonna worry about that till March though. Going to NO for Mardi Gras next month. woooooooooooo

Hate to repost but since my questions got left few pages back already I'll do it. Anyone got some advice?

1) You should be fine. To retain lean mass, you need to be eating enough protein and lift just as hard if not more. If you keep this up, you should be good to go.
2) No clue. Haven't read anything about being bad for your teeth but I have never done research on that topic.
 

entremet

Member
Ah. If a only owned a car. I live in New York, so no need to and prohibitively expensive. Garage fees are around 3-400 bucks a months.

I do Trader Joes/Whole Foods, so my shopping is twice a week.
 

SeanR1221

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Ah. If a only owned a car. I live in New York, so no need to and prohibitively expensive. Garage fees are around 3-400 bucks a months.

I do Trader Joes/Whole Foods, so my shopping is twice a week.

Damn, just for you it's twice a week?

Those Tyson pre-grilled chicken strips are really good, and convenient, but they cost like 3 times as much as the raw chicken breasts....

Yeah, I think they're like 15.00, while the raw ones are 20.00 for ten pounds. But you can't beat that convienence factor. I usually throw them in the microwave while I'm cooking breakfast.

I hope those steak-eze things taste good. I'm going to slice the big peppers in half, layer them with the sliced steak and put provolone on top.
 

CrankyJay

Banned
Oh how I'd kill for a Costco.

BJ's it is. Need to take a drive soon, the closest one closed up shop unfortunately.

Have access to an extra freezer now so the temptation to stockpile is great.

Yeah, didn't the one in Tonawanda close up?

There's a new one opening up on the corner of Niagara Falls Blvd and Sheridan in the next year or so.

Just got a chest freezer over Christmas break so I've been stocking up on meats and veggies.
 
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Deleted member 12837

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Back from grocery shopping

What's the quality of their meat, poultry and fish like (fresh and/or frozen)? Do they have organic/free-range/grass-fed/etc options?

Buying huge bags of stuff and freezing most of it for later just seems so convenient...
 

Noema

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nice. Whats a nice max to shoot for? Last year i hit 2x bodyweight on 1 rep (165lbs for 335lb lift)

Well, the formula I use is:

(Weight*Reps*0.0333)+weight=1RM

The problem with deadlifts is that I'm sure that I wouldn't be able to move my calculated 1RM one inch because my grip would fail.
 

SeanR1221

Member
Oh how I'd kill for a Costco.

BJ's it is. Need to take a drive soon, the closest one closed up shop unfortunately.

Have access to an extra freezer now so the temptation to stockpile is great.

We used to go to BJs but I just find Costco to have overall better quality stuff, even when it comes to things like paper towels.


What's the quality of their meat, poultry and fish like (fresh and/or frozen)? Do they have organic/free-range/grass-fed/etc options?

Buying huge bags of stuff and freezing most of it for later just seems so convenient...

I can't say if its organic and free range...I'm sure it's not since that would be displayed all over I'd imagine.
 
Yeah, I think they're like 15.00, while the raw ones are 20.00 for ten pounds. But you can't beat that convienence factor. I usually throw them in the microwave while I'm cooking breakfast.


That tyson stuff is kind of bleghhkdfjgdg . I mean no disrespect what so ever, but I assure you that you will notice the difference if you eat healthy animals. And from a culinary standpoint, do you really want some dip shit from tyson cooking your food? Proper chicken is only like 1 to 2 dollars more per pound, are you not worth the extra few dollars?


But hey you cant beat the convenience


 

SeanR1221

Member
That tyson stuff is kind of bleghhkdfjgdg . I mean no disrespect what so ever, but I assure you that you will notice the difference if you eat healthy animals. And from a culinary standpoint, do you really want some dip shit from tyson cooking your food? Proper chicken is only like 1 to 2 dollars more per pound, are you not worth the extra few dollars?


But hey you cant beat the convenience

From now on, it's Tyler chicken for me

http://youtu.be/knDQEGO4n9U
 
I pay $1.99/lb for chicken breast here in Houston. And about $2.49/lb for 90/10 ground sirloin. Getting my daily protein is easy and cheap!
 

crpav

Member
Why does everyone have to talk about food? Just listening to it makes me gain weight. That is how bad my metabolism is. I workout like a freaking crazy guy(crazy cardio and weights), and eat under maintenance and still gain weight. I guess my diet is just that messed up. Sucks I am taking a break from lifting to let some nagging injuries hopefully heal but I am still stretching and lifting body parts that are fine.
 

abuC

Member
Muscle Maker Grill in New Jersey (of course we'd invent this chain) was great post-workout food, especially if there was a special deal on just getting wraps for like $4-5. Wish I had one near me in NYC, though I do get to eat it for lunch at work everyday.



There's one 5 mins from my gym, never would have known....50g of protein in their Chicken Sandwich? Will be going there soon.


Where in NYC are you?
 

SeanR1221

Member
Why does everyone have to talk about food? Just listening to it makes me gain weight. That is how bad my metabolism is. I workout like a freaking crazy guy(crazy cardio and weights), and eat under maintenance and still gain weight. I guess my diet is just that messed up. Sucks I am taking a break from lifting to let some nagging injuries hopefully heal but I am still stretching and lifting body parts that are fine.

Post your diet up. We'll help.


There's one 5 mins from my gym, never would have known....50g of protein in their Chicken Sandwich? Will be going there soon.


Where in NYC are you?


Ooo there's one in Philly. Might have to check it out.
 

hxa155

Member
Yeah just watch your depth, that second video the last few looked high to me. First one too you seem to get higher as the reps go on. Overall looked fine to me though. Get some shoes and just keep hitting it and trying to improve.

Yea, I did watch the video, guess I got tired doing set after set of squats lol.

I don't think it's that bad here, might just be a little flexibility issue. Just pointed it out so you could watch out if it gets worse when the weights get heavier. Searched on youtube and found this video about the issue: http://youtu.be/Rq8CWv8UPAI

I'll watch the video. Seems to be informative. Thanks :)

Re-do the the bench video, can't see the position of your hands or arms. Can't see anything really.

Personally, I think you should squat a little lower, but thats just me, ass to grass.

OK, I'll do the videos all over again. I think I was getting tired from doing a lot of sets. But can I really go ass to grass on low bar squats? I thought I have to go high bar for that.
 

Zyphos

Neo Member
What exactly about Cardio is bad for lifting? Berkhan advises against it, which goes against just about everything else I've ever heard / read about losing weight.

I don't exactly have a choice in the matter (have to get better mile times) so it's moot for me,
I just don't see how running on my off days will kill Leangains.
 

SeanR1221

Member
What exactly about Cardio is bad for lifting? Berkhan advises against it, which goes against just about everything else I've ever heard / read about losing weight.

I don't exactly have a choice in the matter (have to get better mile times) so it's moot for me,
I just don't see how running on my off days will kill Leangains.

It's probably a recovery issue. Why stress your body out when you should be resting. I've been liking these 30-40 minute brisk walks. I'm getting a nice stretch and still breaking a sweat.
 
The one thing that bothers me is my "gut". I may not have one but when I eat a lot, I bloat out hard and it is quite evident. At the same time, when I am just sitting, it just pours over. I'm sure the amount of carbs I am eating is attributing to that and when I cut it out and increase the fats, I will feel better. If that makes any sense.

I have more or less exactly the same. I look pretty good standing up and my abs are visible when I contract them. But when I sit down (especially after having eaten) I have a pretty big belly hanging... It sort of bothers me but I don't want to give up my SS gains while it's still going. :)
 

sphinx

the piano man
What exactly about Cardio is bad for lifting? Berkhan advises against it, which goes against just about everything else I've ever heard / read about losing weight.

I don't exactly have a choice in the matter (have to get better mile times) so it's moot for me,
I just don't see how running on my off days will kill Leangains.

also interested to hear opinions about this.

whenever I hear guys say "avoid cardio at all costs! your muscles will fade!" it sounds like the guys saying "Hey, don't give me a hard routine, I don't want to get that big"...

running on a treadmill at regular speed for 15-20 minutes will do next to nothing to your body, other than give it a reminder of how to move the legs.

for a cardio to impact lifts and recovery, like FE says, it takes A LOT of commitment to doing said cardio, both in time and intensity.

that's how I see it but I'd like to be proven wrong, if there's scientific evidence.
 

abuC

Member
What exactly about Cardio is bad for lifting? Berkhan advises against it, which goes against just about everything else I've ever heard / read about losing weight.

I don't exactly have a choice in the matter (have to get better mile times) so it's moot for me,
I just don't see how running on my off days will kill Leangains.


Just do both, there are too many competing ideas out there on everything in the lifting community. The NFL and NBA exist, so lifting and cardio can't be all that bad, and a lot of sprinters lift as well.
 

Noema

Member
Just do both, there are too many competing ideas out there on everything in the lifting community. The NFL and NBA exist, so lifting and cardio can't be all that bad, and a lot of sprinters lift as well.

There's a place for conditioning certainly, and it can be very productive when properly programmed. But I think it's more beneficial for intermediate lifters. Novice lifters (like myself and most of the people posting in this thread) should stick to strength because that's what will give you the best bang for your buck, trainingwise.

Also, I don't think it's usually idea to look at what elite athletes do for training. They are elite because they have elite genetics, not because their training is necessarily well programmed and they can get away with a lot of stupid shit.
 

SeanR1221

Member
Noema, in your link he says it should take a few months to squat 1.75x your body weight and DL 2x. A few months??? Really knocked me down a few pegs :'(
 

rando14

Member
Noema, in your link he says it should take a few months to squat 1.75x your body weight and DL 2x. A few months??? Really knocked me down a few pegs :'(

Relax, it's no big deal. Once I passed 1.5/2/2.5 I kinda stopped caring about that stuff.

Just stay consistent and keep progressing.
 

Imm0rt4l

Member
Cardio can definitely kill your gains if you're going balls to the wall in terms of intensity and on several days of the week. I think its all about moderation and defining your goals. If you're trying to increase strength, then its probably best kept to a minimum. If you do insanity your endurance may go up but you'll get weaker in the long run albeit more leaner. Opportunity cost.
 
http://70sbig.com/blog/2011/10/sweet-potato-hash-browns/

Remember to use generous amounts of cinnamon and butter. :)

Will do!

Cardio can definitely kill your gains if you're going balls to the wall in terms of intensity and on several days of the week. I think its all about moderation and defining your goals. If you're trying to increase strength, then its probably best kept to a minimum. If you do insanity your endurance may go up but you'll get weaker in the long run albeit more leaner. Opportunity cost.

This right here. Comes down to your goals.
 

Noema

Member
Noema, in your link he says it should take a few months to squat 1.75x your body weight and DL 2x. A few months??? Really knocked me down a few pegs :'(

Hah, tell me about it. I've been training for 19 months and I haven't reached that 1.75x squat yet. Which for me would be almost 400lb.

That's 1.75x for 1RM though. Of course that'd be under ideal conditions: a 18-24 year old male doing GOMAD as well as eating his brains out. Like that guy on Reddit who got to a 400lb squat and 500lb deadlift in like 6 months because he was eating like 450 grams of protein a day with 2XGOMAD or something.

Just stay consistent and keep progressing

Exactly. Strength training is a marathon, not a sprint. I am naturally very weak and used to get really bummed out that my lifts were progressing so slowly. But as long as I keep a adding weight to the bar, even if it's just 5lb a month, I'm pushing forward. And makes me happy.

Nothing beats persistence.
 
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