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[Brolic Gaoler]

I hate that this week is deload week. Always so boring for me. At least I can push cardio a little harder in this regard. It's also pretty good that it falls this week since my oral board is Wednesday and the first half of my internship paper is due this week as well.

I just hate going to the gym to lift light weight.

Hit 100lbs on overhead press. I've been at 95 for awhile and the first set just felt easier so I decided to up it. Pretty happy about it, especially since I'm on a cut.

Good shit man, keep at it! Soon you're gonna be military pressing like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxXWLI5AjLY

Yeah, I know, I'm in the fitness thread though. Guys with 600 pound squats still talk about how weak they are, I'm definitely not going to be anything but as modest as possible ;b

Who's squatting 600? They will be my next target!

 

[SeanR1221]

I hate that this week is deload week. Always so boring for me. At least I can push cardio a little harder in this regard. It's also pretty good that it falls this week since my oral board is Wednesday and the first half of my internship paper is due this week as well.

I just hate going to the gym to lift light weight.




Good shit man, keep at it! Soon you're gonna be military pressing like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxXWLI5AjLY

Thank you, and what you guys said to Evilore is exactly right. It's all relative to you. I could sit here and be upset other guys bench 225, or realize a year ago the weight I struggled with is the weight I warm up with. Things take time and it's definitely a marathon.

It's also nice how supportive everyone in here is...well assuming you're sticking to the basics and not preaching some men's fitness bro science

And that press video is nuts!

 

[Mr.City]

Yeah, I know, I'm in the fitness thread though. Guys with 600 pound squats still talk about how weak they are, I'm definitely not going to be anything but as modest as possible ;b

There's a difference between modesty and not giving due to your hard work. I saw your post in the weight loss thread. That was amazing stuff, and what's even more amazing is that there's still more to come.

Hit 100lbs on overhead press. I've been at 95 for awhile and the first set just felt easier so I decided to up it. Pretty happy about it, especially since I'm on a cut.

Nice job.

 

[EviLore]

As for your "silly frail body" looking at your weight loss post this is understandable since your focus was fatloss over all. Now you can focus on being a monster (if you so wish.)

Yeah. I don't know if I'll ever stop being so injury prone; the last two times I went to BJJ class I popped a rib and tore cartilage (out three months, permanent weirdness there now), and then tore cartilage or something on the other side of my abdomen (out one month). It's a pain in the ass. But I'd like to be athletic enough, at least, to not be held back to the point where I can't do what I want to do in life: go on crazy hiking journeys and compete in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and experience as many things as possible before I die.

So, that means athleticism, that means strength and cardio, strengthening the surrounding muscles so that my bad knees don't give out so easily, etc. etc., and I'll keep at it through all the frailty and injuries to build my body up to whatever point I can feasibly get to, like all the rest of us with all our own reasons.

And sure, I must always keep in perspective that once upon a time as a ridiculously skinny teenager (yes, I've been both holocaust-survivor skinny and morbidly obese, haha, what a life) I wasn't even able to do any knee pushups. And being able to do a single pullup was a completely unattainable fantasy world.

That's no longer the case. It's probably easy to fall into mental traps, still, when you've put in three solid years of work to go from 300 lb dude with the muscle mass of a 4 year old girl to the equivalent of a healthy *untrained* adult male. But that was surely the hard part; building some actual athleticism from here really ain't shit in comparison, I guess

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Yeah. I don't know if I'll ever stop being so injury prone; the last two times I went to BJJ class I popped a rib and tore cartilage (out three months, permanent weirdness there now), and then tore cartilage or something on the other side of my abdomen (out one month). It's a pain in the ass. But I'd like to be athletic enough, at least, to not be held back to the point where I can't do what I want to do in life: go on crazy hiking journeys and compete in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and experience as many things as possible before I die.

So, that means athleticism, that means strength and cardio, strengthening the surrounding muscles so that my bad knees don't give out so easily, etc. etc., and I'll keep at it through all the frailty and injuries to build my body up to whatever point I can feasibly get to, like all the rest of us with all our own reasons.

And sure, I must always keep in perspective that once upon a time as a ridiculously skinny teenager (yes, I've been both holocaust-survivor skinny and morbidly obese, haha, what a life) I wasn't even able to do any knee pushups. And being able to do a single pullup was a completely unattainable fantasy world.

That's no longer the case. It's probably easy to fall into mental traps, still, when you've put in three solid years of work to go from 300 lb dude with the muscle mass of a 4 year old girl to the equivalent of a healthy *untrained* adult male. But that was surely the hard part; building some actual athleticism from here really ain't shit in comparison, I guess

Now you're talkin'! Don't let the injury thought cock block you, own that shit! (worrying about injury held me back from squats for a while, now that's all in the past, you just gotta put it out of your head.)

 

[Anbokr]

Hey guys so I've been using myfitnesspal and I'm consistintly hitting my carbs, protein, and calorie goals, but I'm going over on fat. Is it ok to be getting 120-160g of fat per day for bulking up? I've read in a couple places the goal for me should be 75 or 80g at 147 lb? Seems hard to cut down on the fat without cutting on the protein though :/.

 

[kylej]

short video on proper belt usage - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0NU__rSlH0

Thought it was helpful.

 

[PantherLotus]

Oh yeah, EviLore? I've never been able to bench my own weight -- (160-180 since I was 15). My 75 year old ex-marine father-in-law says every man should be able to do that at least five times. I'm like "oh yeah but you don't know shit about photoshop."

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Oh yeah, EviLore? I've never been able to bench my own weight -- (160-180 since I was 15). My 75 year old ex-marine father-in-law says every man should be able to do that at least five times. I'm like "oh yeah but you don't know shit about photoshop."

I bet he knows a thing or two about the jungles of Korea/Vietnam though...

 

[FallingEdge]

Went to Express to scoop me some red chinos and man, could not get the pant leg past my thighs. My waist is around a 32 but they make these pants so damn slim that it just won't fit. 34 wouldn't work either. Finally tried on a 36 but of course, the waist is too big which means when I tuck in shirts, I get the "bacon waist" which I hate. It is very annoying.

Do you guys just get your nicer clothes tailor fitted or what?

 

[Trey]

Cottage cheese tastes terrible. The consistency is fucking my shit up, lol

I need peaches. The strawberries are doing nothing.

 

[Bearded Dudebro]

Cottage cheese tastes terrible. The consistency is fucking my shit up, loll

Black pepper, lots of it.

 

[Escape Goat]

Cottage cheese tastes terrible. The consistency is fucking my shit up, lol

I need peaches. The strawberries are doing nothing.

I keep thinking im eating spoiled milk or something. And I was never a fan of cheese by itself so I'm trying all kinds of things.

 

[PantherLotus]

I bet he knows a thing or two about the jungles of Korea/Vietnam though...

Nope. He's that very particular age that missed both. He's lucky, unlike my dad, who does know a thing or two about Vietnam. And he's gettin' up there too now, but it was only a year or two ago I convinced myself I could take him, if it came to that. He was a green beret back when it meant something.

 

[Petrie]

For the new page, anybody have the protein fudgecicles recipe that was posted back in the old thread? All the ones google gives use almond milk which I can't stand, and I know that one didn't.

 

[Slycoopr]

Crap, i'm getting some serious stretch marks between my deltoids and biceps on both arms, and my thighs. The stretch mark on my left arm runs from my deltoid and down the left side of my bicep, and the stretch marks on my thighs are pretty bad too. Is this to be expected? Is their a way to mitigate stretch mark gains?

 

[Haxxor]

Hello fitnessgaf!
Longtime lurker, firsttime poster. You guys and gals have already helped me a ton as I haven't really been to the gym before stumbling upon this thread, and now I've almost done 6 months and I'm feeling great!

And as I am a real noob i still have some questions, namely how to proceed with my training. But first some info.

Age: 32
Height: 197cm (6f 5inch?)
Weight: 115kg (253 lbs?)
Goal: Get strong, get in shape
Current TS: 3xweek in the gym doing SS (+ minor modification)
CTE: Gym with all I need and then some
My current max training weight with the SS program is:
Deadlift: 152.5 kg (336 lbs?)
Squat: 107.5 kg (236 lbs?)
Bench: 77.5 (170 lbs?)
Standing press: 62.5 kg (137 lbs?)
Pendlay rows (can't do PowerCleans, doing this instead): 65kg (143 lbs?)
Triceps extension: 32.5kg (72 lbs?)

The only modfication is the pendlay row instead of PC, as I can't do them because of a knee injury ( i can't jump).

I started going to the gym in Jan 2012 and have been steadily going 3x times a week with the occasional break due to sickness or family matters. I have been making great strides with SS but I feel like I am lagging behind on my arms and was wondering if there is anything I can add/do to help with the strength development with my arms.

With everything else I can add more weight (2.5 kg - 5.5lbs is the min amount) on a daily basis, but not with the bench or press. Both of them I have had to reset 3x times so far as I cannot add more weight than my current max, and even that is some days too heavy for me.

So is there anything I can do to up my arm strength? I am (most days) getting enough sleep and food so I do not think that is the problem. I blame my long "skinny" arms, but I trust fitnessgaf knows better.

Hit me with your wisdom!

 

[bjb]

Crap, i'm getting some serious stretch marks between my deltoids and biceps on both arms, and my thighs. The stretch mark on my left arm runs from my deltoid and down the left side of my bicep, and the stretch marks on my thighs are pretty bad too. Is this to be expected? Is their a way to mitigate stretch mark gains?

Cocoa butter?

 

[Tea and Toast]

I'm aware this sounds a bit cheesy but what kind of workout/diet is Jared Leto taking

advantage of to get a body like that?

 

[kylej]

I'm aware this sounds a bit cheesy but what kind of workout/diet is Jared Leto taking

advantage of to get a body like that?

A guy at SA just went from this

to this

here's his log that goes over his diet and lifting - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3492062

 

[JB1981]

If this is what has to be done in order to look that ripped count me out:

Dude's Log

What I took from Leangains:
Fasted training, no breakfast.
Train on empty stomach on my lunch break.
First meal after workout eat as much as I want/can.
Second meal a little less.
Last meal even less + slow proteins just before bed.
Eat less on days I'm not working out.

 

[Tea and Toast]

That's an attractive physique but way bigger than I would want to be.

 

[Petrie]

If this is what has to be done in order to look that ripped count me out:

Dude's Log

What exactly is so bad about that? Seems pretty easy on the whole.

That's an attractive physique but way bigger than I would want to be.

He isn't even very big, he just has very low body fat.


It's the kind of thing I see, and then want to switch my damn program over to a hypertrophy program.

He has basically achieved my goal exactly.

 

[Enco]

What exactly is so bad about that? Seems pretty easy on the whole.

I tried LG for a week or so.

Worst thing I've tried. Not eating breakfast is fucking awful. Some may not mind but not eating anything until lunch is crazy for me. I got extreme hunger pangs and it's definitely not something sustainable.

 

[Deleted member 12837]

Went to Express to scoop me some red chinos and man, could not get the pant leg past my thighs. My waist is around a 32 but they make these pants so damn slim that it just won't fit. 34 wouldn't work either. Finally tried on a 36 but of course, the waist is too big which means when I tuck in shirts, I get the "bacon waist" which I hate. It is very annoying.

Do you guys just get your nicer clothes tailor fitted or what?

Try Bonobos for chinos (both more casual and nicer). Their fit seems to have athletic legs/glutes in mind, at least in my experience. They also have an incredibly easy, restriction-free return policy if it doesn't work out. Free shipping both ways, no questions asked, etc.

Order a few sizes and return the ones that don't fit. I had to size up by 1 (my waist is a 33 by measurement but I normally wear 34 due to legs/glutes, I'm a 35 in Bonobos and it ends up not being too loose at the waist at all).

What exactly is so bad about that? Seems pretty easy on the whole.

I tried LG for a week or so.

Worst thing I've tried. Not eating breakfast is fucking awful. Some may not mind but not eating anything until lunch is crazy for me. I got extreme hunger pangs and it's definitely not something sustainable.

I've been trying it (albeit, not as strictly as I should be...sometimes the fasts are only 14 hours instead of 16) for 2-3 weeks now and doing fine *shrug*

Granted, I've never been a huge breakfast-eater anyway. I love having a huge meal post-workout and not having to care, and then just eating 1-2 other small meals the rest of the day depending on when I train.

edit:

Oh I don't train fasted, I do the 2 pre-workout meal LG option most of the time due to a normal 9-5 work schedule and not being able to park at my university's gym until after 5 PM (so no early morning lifts).

 

[Jibbed]

Ok GAF, I need some advice. I've no longer got a gym membership but I have a bench and various weights in my garage I can use regularly, and around where I live is great for running. If someone can point me in the right direction in terms of exercises, a routine, diet.. just anything to get me in to a nice rhythm that I can follow over the Summer, I'd be very grateful.

Age: 20
Height: 6ft 1
Weight: 72.5kg / 160lbs
Goal: No more than 80kg / 176lbs
Current Training Schedule: Misc. running (about 4 miles 2-3 times a week)
Current Training Equipment Available: Various weights, bench, outside for running
Comments: I need to keep my weight below 80kg for motorsport (I race for a national karting team, and hopefully I can progress soon in to car racing)

Current diet:
Morning - Weetabix, SS Milk, Orange/Apple
Lunch - Soup with lots of bread / beans on toast / similar
Dinner - Something with chicken involved (curry, fajitas, chicken and rice etc)
Miscellaneous snacks throughout the day tend to be yoghurt etc.

Long story short, I want to bulk up/tone up, but not dramatically.

Here's a pic of me this morning (sorry for the obscenely small pic, my phone's fucked):

Thanks guys.

 

[CrankyJay]

It's the kind of thing I see, and then want to switch my damn program over to a hypertrophy program.

He has basically achieved my goal exactly.

And mine...lol

I'm still burning fat on my current regiment (not using a program) so I'll stick with this. Hit 195 over the weekend (from 213)...10 pounds left to my goal of 185 (6'2").

 

[JB1981]

What exactly is so bad about that? Seems pretty easy on the whole.




He isn't even very big, he just has very low body fat.


It's the kind of thing I see, and then want to switch my damn program over to a hypertrophy program.

He has basically achieved my goal exactly.

Fasted training? No thanks. Sounds absolutely dreadful. I bet that guy is really weak. Hell, he looks kind of weak and tired from that pic.

You are telling me that you go to the gym and do big lifts with no breakfast and and no lunch? Honestly sounds miserable.

 

[HarryHengst]

Fasted training? No thanks. Sounds absolutely dreadful. I bet that guy is really weak. Hell, he looks kind of weak and tired from that pic.

You are telling me that you go to the gym and do big lifts with no breakfast and and no lunch? Honestly sounds miserable.

In his log he mentioned he isnt as strong as you would expect due to various neck and abck injuries. He cant deadlift 90 kilo's/200 pound for example.

Then again, being an artist with that body he probably has no time to give a shit, what with all the women drooling over him. :lol


Fasted training isnt as bad if you do it first thing in the morning. I've done it a while, although i prefer to at least eat some oatmeal and a banana or something like that. Tried training with a full stomach once and that was horrible.

 

[JB1981]

In his log he mentioned he isnt as strong as you would expect due to various neck and abck injuries. He cant deadlift 90 kilo's/200 pound for example.

Then again, being an artist with that body he probably has no time to give a shit, what with all the women drooling over him. :lol


Fasted training isnt as bad if you do it first thing in the morning. I've done it a while, although i prefer to at least eat some oatmeal and a banana or something like that. Tried training with a full stomach once and that was horrible.

Everyone is different but I wake up in the morning absolutely STARVING. Like within 30 minutes if I have not eaten something I am ready to rip someone's face off. So I don't know if I'd be able to sustain a diet like that, but have a lot of respect for people who are disciplined enough to stick through it.

 

[Deleted member 12837]

Everyone is different but I wake up in the morning absolutely STARVING. Like within 30 minutes if I have not eaten something I am ready to rip someone's face off. So I don't know if I'd be able to sustain a diet like that, but have a lot of respect for people who are disciplined enough to stick through it.

When do you normally have your last meal of the day, and how large is it? When do you usually wake up?

 

[JB1981]

When do you normally have your last meal of the day, and how large is it? When do you usually wake up?

usually eat dinner around 6:30pm. depending on what i make its usually a pretty good sized meal. a few pieces of chicken, rice, some veggies ... glass of milk before bed. usually something with a decent amount of protein and carbs. i go to bed around 10:30, wake up at 5:30

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

And mine...lol

I'm still burning fat on my current regiment (not using a program) so I'll stick with this. Hit 195 over the weekend (from 213)...10 pounds left to my goal of 185 (6'2").

Are you me?! I'm in the exact same position, same goal and everything. Only difference is that I started at 220lbs.Keep going man! I'm not on a specific program either but will def get on one when I start bulking at 185.

 

[CrankyJay]

Are you me?! I'm in the exact same position, same goal and everything. Only difference is that I started at 220lbs.Keep going man! I'm not on a specific program either but will def get on one when I start bulking at 185.

LOL yah...I was actually at 220 at my heaviest in 2007 during my wedding. Yeesh...can't believe I let myself go that far. I'm embarrassed of my wedding photos.

 

[Mr.City]

Ok GAF, I need some advice. I've no longer got a gym membership but I have a bench and various weights in my garage I can use regularly, and around where I live is great for running. If someone can point me in the right direction in terms of exercises, a routine, diet.. just anything to get me in to a nice rhythm that I can follow over the Summer, I'd be very grateful.

Age: 20
Height: 6ft 1
Weight: 72.5kg / 160lbs
Goal: No more than 80kg / 176lbs
Current Training Schedule: Misc. running (about 4 miles 2-3 times a week)
Current Training Equipment Available: Various weights, bench, outside for running
Comments: I need to keep my weight below 80kg for motorsport (I race for a national karting team, and hopefully I can progress soon in to car racing)

Current diet:
Morning - Weetabix, SS Milk, Orange/Apple
Lunch - Soup with lots of bread / beans on toast / similar
Dinner - Something with chicken involved (curry, fajitas, chicken and rice etc)
Miscellaneous snacks throughout the day tend to be yoghurt etc.

Long story short, I want to bulk up/tone up, but not dramatically.

Here's a pic of me this morning (sorry for the obscenely small pic, my phone's fucked):

Thanks guys.

What's SS milk? Also, I'm noticing, as usual with dietary posts, there's a lot of carbs, little protein, and not of a lot of cooked foods. And you mentioned not wanting to get big/toned up. which suggest you didn't real ALL of the OP.

I suggest you read all of of the OP because it's there for a reason.

That's an attractive physique but way bigger than I would want to be.

The man's 180 lbs at 6'1 with low bodyfat. Have you never seen a human being over 200 lbs?

Hello fitnessgaf!
Longtime lurker, firsttime poster. You guys and gals have already helped me a ton as I haven't really been to the gym before stumbling upon this thread, and now I've almost done 6 months and I'm feeling great!

And as I am a real noob i still have some questions, namely how to proceed with my training. But first some info.

Age: 32
Height: 197cm (6f 5inch?)
Weight: 115kg (253 lbs?)
Goal: Get strong, get in shape
Current TS: 3xweek in the gym doing SS (+ minor modification)
CTE: Gym with all I need and then some
My current max training weight with the SS program is:
Deadlift: 152.5 kg (336 lbs?)
Squat: 107.5 kg (236 lbs?)
Bench: 77.5 (170 lbs?)
Standing press: 62.5 kg (137 lbs?)
Pendlay rows (can't do PowerCleans, doing this instead): 65kg (143 lbs?)
Triceps extension: 32.5kg (72 lbs?)

The only modfication is the pendlay row instead of PC, as I can't do them because of a knee injury ( i can't jump).

I started going to the gym in Jan 2012 and have been steadily going 3x times a week with the occasional break due to sickness or family matters. I have been making great strides with SS but I feel like I am lagging behind on my arms and was wondering if there is anything I can add/do to help with the strength development with my arms.

With everything else I can add more weight (2.5 kg - 5.5lbs is the min amount) on a daily basis, but not with the bench or press. Both of them I have had to reset 3x times so far as I cannot add more weight than my current max, and even that is some days too heavy for me.

So is there anything I can do to up my arm strength? I am (most days) getting enough sleep and food so I do not think that is the problem. I blame my long "skinny" arms, but I trust fitnessgaf knows better.

Hit me with your wisdom!

The first I have to ask if you're microloading your upper body lifts. With the program or any LP really, you'll have to start using 2 lbs/ 1 kg jumps on the bench and press. 2.2 kg/ 5 lbs jumps don't last for a long time.

On that note, I'd like to address something for all novice lifters reading this thread. Your upper body will always be lagging behind. The upper body stuff always goes slower than your lower body stuff. This can be overcome with persistence however.

If you want to work on your arms, why not work on your chin ups? Every guy should be able to do a few chins.

 

[FallingEdge]

Regarding leangains and skipping breakfast and working out fasted, I have done that many times and it is fine. However, I know that it isn't for everyone. But if you can, go for it. I've skipped breakfast for over a year now and I feel great. Still making gains, haven't lost muscle, etc. For me, it is super convent to just wake up and get ready for work. Not even that hungry until lunch time where I eat my meals and am good to go.

 

[CrankyJay]

Regarding leangains and skipping breakfast and working out fasted, I have done that many times and it is fine. However, I know that it isn't for everyone. But if you can, go for it. I've skipped breakfast for over a year now and I feel great. Still making gains, haven't lost muscle, etc. For me, it is super convent to just wake up and get ready for work. Not even that hungry until lunch time where I eat my meals and am good to go.

I gave that a go and my workouts suffered after awhile. I guess it really is up to the individual. I still do cardio fasted on non-lifting days, but if I'm lifting heavy I usually have a protein bar beforehand. I figure my workouts will more than cover the calories in the bar.

 

[despire]

Is this normal?

Pic


Tried my new powerlifting belt today. I only picked it up today and was eager to try it for squats even though I hadn't properly broken it in yet. Did some rolling today but of course it needs a lot more of it.

I used it for 3 sets of squats and the picture shows the results even though it doesn't really do it justice. Pretty bad bruising on the top of my pelvic bone. Doesn't feel like anything yet but I'm expecting it to be pretty painful tomorrow.

So is this because I hadn't broken it in yet and the belt was just too stiff? Did I place it in the wrong place? AFAIK it was in the right place and I adjusted it correctly. Am I just not built for a wider belt?


On the bright side I squatted 220x6 which isn't that much but a milestone for me nonetheless

 

[Mr.City]

I'm reading that developer's log from SA, and I have to say, this guy is an awful example to follow.

Neck: 5 years ago I tore a neck muscle (splenius servicis) Couldn't move my head for 4 months. Almost healed today.

Shoulder: 3 years ago. Did something very stupid. Tore a lot of muscle. Couldnt lift my arm for 6 months. X-rays and cat-scans and a couple of doctors later they all said the same thing: "poo poo is hosed up". It's a healed as it ever will be, doesn't hurt too much, but it sounds like I'm smuggling a bag of chips in my shoulder. Will probably never lift heavy ever again in my life.

Legs: Medial tibial stress syndrome in both legs. That is what you get when you run every day and then add rope skipping. Legs say gently caress you. Treatment is extremely painful but it works. Almost gone today.

Back: Dead lifting, getting cocky, adding too much weight. Something snaps with a loud crack in my lower back. Not too serious, almost ok today.

Most of you guys have "lose X weight" or just "lift heaver things". I'm satisfied with my weight and I can't lift heavier stuff as easily.

Other Goals:
Pass ExRx Novice in Deadlift, Bench and Press.

The guy is a poster child for what not to do. It looks like he spent the last 3-5 years trying what works (and doesn't) and got some muscle mass out of it. However, his numbers are really low for something working that long, and his list of injuries reads like someone who has no idea what the fuck they were doing.

For everyone drooling over his physique, keep in many in that quite a few of the posters have numbers well above that, and if they so desired, could down to those levels of bodyfat. The bodyfat percentage is questionable because of the change in lighting between photos. And no, I'm not anti-physique; I'm not just super impressed with low fat. Once you get down to it, dieting itself is not hard, rather it's the bullshit you attach to dieting that makes it hard.

 

[bjb]

His body is still pretty damn impressive despite his routine.

 

[Deleted member 12837]

usually eat dinner around 6:30pm. depending on what i make its usually a pretty good sized meal. a few pieces of chicken, rice, some veggies ... glass of milk before bed. usually something with a decent amount of protein and carbs. i go to bed around 10:30, wake up at 5:30

Gotcha. I normally eat dinner around 8:00 PM and wake up around 8:30 AM, so it's quite easy for me to wait until noon or 1:00 to eat my first meal. I could see that being quite problematic for someone skewed the opposite way on both ends (eating dinner much earlier, waking up much earlier).

Also as someone mentioned above, everyone responds differently to different diets and different dieting methodologies. It's why there's no single program that works well for everyone.

 

[Haxxor]

The first I have to ask if you're microloading your upper body lifts. With the program or any LP really, you'll have to start using 2 lbs/ 1 kg jumps on the bench and press. 2.2 kg/ 5 lbs jumps don't last for a long time.

On that note, I'd like to address something for all novice lifters reading this thread. Your upper body will always be lagging behind. The upper body stuff always goes slower than your lower body stuff. This can be overcome with persistence however.

If you want to work on your arms, why not work on your chin ups? Every guy should be able to do a few chins.

Thank you for your reply Mr.City!

There are no smaller weights in my gym (1.25kg per "plate"), so 2.5 jumps is what i have to do. I actually bought some smaller weights of my own, but they didn't fit the bar at the gym

I've tried to do some chin ups, but i can only do 3x3 max, and i need to rest in between a 3x rep

I was thinking as I was so weak at them atm that i should do something else instead, but you would recommend doing chin ups

I know that arm strength was going to lag a bit (as I said, I've been lurking here for some time), i just wasn't expecting it to lag so far behind...

But for the sake of argument, is there anything else i should do? Or should i just stick to the same routine and just add chin ups?

 

[Keylime]

Holy shit...just downed an effload of food as my PWO for my LeanGains bulk.

- Cup of rice
- Cup of pasta
- Spinach leaves
- Carrots
- Broccoli
- 10oz of chicken breast
- Fat free balsamic dressing

+

- Monster Mass Shake

+

2.5 cups of fat free frozen yogurt w/fruit

= (by my estimates)

36g of Fat
260g of Carbs
161g of Protein
2020 Calories

...and I've still got 970 calories to go for the day! Shit, eating this much is hard...and fun. That Monster Mass shake tasted so much better than the typical shake variety (likely due to all the carbs for flavor). Frozen yogurt was amazing and is going to help me get those carb numbers.

Following a -10%/20% 50/50, 75/25 lean massing nutrient program @3g protein/kg with a "lightly active" setting from IF Calc. 6'1" @ 172 right now. Decided to go bulking even though I still have stomach fat...it just won't go away despite my best efforts so instead of contracting, I'm going to try expanding!!!

 

[reilo]

Fasted training? No thanks. Sounds absolutely dreadful. I bet that guy is really weak. Hell, he looks kind of weak and tired from that pic.

You are telling me that you go to the gym and do big lifts with no breakfast and and no lunch? Honestly sounds miserable.

Dude, what? You are coming off as willfully ignorant right now.

 

[Keylime]

For what it's worth, I've been training fasted in the morning for the past few months and it really isn't an issue.

Just ordered a 60lb adjustable weight vest to use with my bodyweight routines that I'm psyched to start using as well.

 

[JB1981]

Dude, what? You are coming off as willfully ignorant right now.

??

Most people eat before they do strenuous physical activity. What's ignorant about that?

 

[reilo]

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Most people eat before they do strenuous physical activity. What's ignorant about that?

You sound ignorant because you believe that there is no way that anyone, ever, under any circumstance could work out on an empty stomach doing Leangains because you have not tried this method. Not only that, but you insinuated that people that do Leangains are "really weak".

 

[CrankyJay]

Oh yeah, EviLore? I've never been able to bench my own weight -- (160-180 since I was 15). My 75 year old ex-marine father-in-law says every man should be able to do that at least five times. I'm like "oh yeah but you don't know shit about photoshop."

I recently got back to this...I weigh 195 and can bench 195 about 4-5 times.

Like 4 years ago when I was into lifting I was about 200 pounds and could easily do 225...oh well. Fun times. Different goals now.

 

[Petrie]

??

Most people eat before they do strenuous physical activity. What's ignorant about that?

Who are these "most people"?

Also, I bet that guy looks better than you.

 

[balddemon]

smolov today. this is going to be interesting

also, question:
http://www.joeskopec.com/smolov.html
is my squat RM my 5RM or estimated 1RM?

and is that 3 week break from squat work actually necessary? if anything i'd rather take a 1 week break. 3 weeks is way too long