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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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mooooose

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Down from 168 to 154 at 5'6". Feeling much better. My lifts suck though

165 bench
225 squat
245 dead
95 ohp (really shitty)
95 rows (super shitty)

why am i so weak did i make the right decision trying to lose all this weight so i can get fat again and strong
 

Ryan_

Member
As I am probably the biggest noob here I'll just reiterate what advice I've gotten, and besides you are way skinnier then i am so i guess same advice goes for you.

There are lot of different ways you can go, but it's not needed to first loose weight, get to the gym If you want to ad muscle, that will help with the look (seem "toned") and the feel (of being strong).

Of course it could be enough to just swim and run if you want to loose some fat (which will make you look better/muscular). Doing Intervals (HITT) seems to give you the most bang for your bucks.

But the thing is that you will loose some muscle in the process if you do not add some sort of weight training (gym, home, park). So by just running and swimming you could loose a lot of fat, but that could make you look skinny/malnourished instead of fit.

And then you have diet, which seems to be very important for the look, as you can be muscular but still look kinda fat. You need to find out how many calories you need for maintenance and then reduce it slightly so as to loose the fat you have and not add any extra.

You should also figure out the balance between fat/protein/carbohydrates you eat as to maximise the gains and minimise teh fats.

This link might help

http://rippedbody.jp/2011/10/23/how-to-calculate-leangains-macros/

I would say the gym is definitely worth it, and I think most in this thread would agree. I've never done any weightlifting before wisiting this thread almost 6 months ago, but now I'm hooked, all thanks to these nice ppl here. And I'm a kinda bigg fatty who is seeing all kinds of gains!

So just decide if you want/can add the gym, choose one of the programs listed and enjoy your new better self.

As a noob in the gym it doesn't matter all to much which program you choose as long as you follow them. I would of course recommend SS as that is thw one I'm still on.

Hope any of this makes sense to you and helps you decide on what to do next.

Yea, this helped me immensely :) Thanks to take the time to enlighten me.

Just calculated my BMR but I'm still not sure if thius means that I just have to eat a bit less and it doesn't matter what I eat, or just start to eat healthier (more fruits, less cookies).

I might start some more swimming/running and I'll have a look at the programs.
Is there a diet that you guys are following?
 

despire

Member
Lol at the dude in Weight loss thread having some sort of crusade against Fit-GAF. Don't remember him ever posting here but he sure has some strong opinions on what kind of advice is given here..
 

Haxxor

Member
Just calculated my BMR but I'm still not sure if thius means that I just have to eat a bit less and it doesn't matter what I eat, or just start to eat healthier (more fruits, less cookies).

I might start some more swimming/running and I'll have a look at the programs.
Is there a diet that you guys are following?

No problem, glad to help.

I'm quite sure eating healthier will help out a lot, as there was something about insulin posted some time ago (I'm not on my pc so can't link it) and eating less (total calories) will make you loose weight but you migh loose muscle as well.

You have some good nutrition info here

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition

About the diet thing, I myself am just watching what i put in me (ie not eating a lot of carp) as I still want to get a lot stronger, but hopefully some of the people on LG or cuts can help out with that part.
 

SeanR1221

Member
Down from 168 to 154 at 5'6". Feeling much better. My lifts suck though

165 bench
225 squat
245 dead
95 ohp (really shitty)
95 rows (super shitty)

why am i so weak did i make the right decision trying to lose all this weight so i can get fat again and strong

Woah there guy don't be so down on yourself.

Your strength gains are in perspective of yourself. There will always be someone out there stronger, so no point in getting depressed. What were you lifting before those numbers?

Also, are you doing your rows right? We have around the same numbers, but my pendlay rows are 165, yours seem really really low in comparison to everything else.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Lol at the dude in Weight loss thread having some sort of crusade against Fit-GAF. Don't remember him ever posting here but he sure has some strong opinions on what kind of advice is given here..

Seemed like another obese person trying to make excuses and point fingers to me. He didn't even seem to have a grasp on what this thread is actually about either, let alone what was in the OP.
 

SeanR1221

Member
Seemed like another obese person trying to make excuses and point fingers to me. He didn't even seem to have a grasp on what this thread is actually about either, let alone what was in the OP.

Plus I had everyone jump on me for saying that one guy had mostly fat loss not massive strength gains.
 

balddemon

Banned
Down from 168 to 154 at 5'6". Feeling much better. My lifts suck though

165 bench
225 squat
245 dead
95 ohp (really shitty)
95 rows (super shitty)

why am i so weak did i make the right decision trying to lose all this weight so i can get fat again and strong

your press and bench are pretty good for someone your weight. in my opinion at least. i'm 6' 181 (unless gained weight on my recent vacation) and i struggle to bench 180 and press 120. your squat and dead are probably where they should be as well.

so all in all you're don't doing too bad, keep up the good work
 
Lol at the dude in Weight loss thread having some sort of crusade against Fit-GAF. Don't remember him ever posting here but he sure has some strong opinions on what kind of advice is given here..
In all honesty neither community really does a good job when it comes to catering to the weight loss crowd. We're very informative, but not friendly, and almost too by the book sometimes. The other thread is waaaaay too lax and is full of a lot of misinformation. I've seen a lot of bad routines and diets go without any correction.

Fit GAF is fine, I think the real problem comes from people who want to help themselves, but are not willing to make sacrifices to get it done. Whether it's eating the right foods or going to a gym. Leads the guys here to become less tolerant and helpful to the weight loss crew, so they run over to that thread.

It's all a mess actually!
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
In all honesty neither community really does a good job when it comes to catering to the weight loss crowd. We're very informative, but not friendly, and almost too by the book sometimes. The other thread is waaaaay too lax and is full of a lot of misinformation. I've seen a lot of bad routines and diets go without any correction.

Fit GAF is fine, I think the real problem comes from people who want to help themselves, but are not willing to make sacrifices to get it done. Whether it's eating the right foods or going to a gym. Leads the guys here to become less tolerant and helpful to the weight loss crew, so they run over to that thread.

It's all a mess actually!


I think you will find this is a reason a lot of people get "mean" in here.

Most of us (I think) try to be nice though and give encouragement, but sometimes some of us (myself most definitely included) can't help but be an asshole.

Speaking for myself, I'm only human, certain things do set me off.
 

MrToughPants

Brian Burke punched my mom
Lol at the dude in Weight loss thread having some sort of crusade against Fit-GAF. Don't remember him ever posting here but he sure has some strong opinions on what kind of advice is given here..

Sorry but this thread has its share of asshole comments.
 

twofold

Member
Lol at the dude in Weight loss thread having some sort of crusade against Fit-GAF. Don't remember him ever posting here but he sure has some strong opinions on what kind of advice is given here..

He did make a point that was pretty true, though; people need as simple a plan as possible when they start working out else they'll fall off the wagon.

When I started exercising, I weighed 310lbs. I jumped on an exercise bike for 45 minutes every day for about 2-3 months. Was it the best way to do things? No. But it got me started and, after seeing results, I started looking into other stuff further down the line.

If you give someone a complicated meal plan where they have to eat 6 times a day and have to drink shakes and other stuff in addition to hitting the gym and sticking to a routine, they will most likely fail.

A lot of the other stuff he said was nonsense, though. Skinnyfat is a myth? Speaking from personal experience, skinnyfat is most definitely real, and it sucks.
 

SeanR1221

Member
It's that sense of "there's no way I'm wrong, you're wrong!" that sets me off.

BTW, I love how fitocracy rewards heavy compound stuff with the most points. My friend is in for a rude awakening when his leg press doesn't give him that many points.
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
Can someone explain the difference between pendlay rows and bent-over rows, and which are better for a beginner at SL like me? Is the only difference that the bar (well, the plates) hit the floor in between each rep on a pendlay?
 

mooooose

Member
Woah there guy don't be so down on yourself.

Your strength gains are in perspective of yourself. There will always be someone out there stronger, so no point in getting depressed. What were you lifting before those numbers?

Also, are you doing your rows right? We have around the same numbers, but my pendlay rows are 165, yours seem really really low in comparison to everything else.
I never used to do rows at all because I couldn't do them right.

Before lifting my numbers were...

Bench - 55? Around the bar lol
OHP - Not sure, used dumbbells for a long time, probably the bar
Squats - 135
Deadlift - Maybe around 135
Rows - Around the bar lol

So I guess but I've been lifting for around a year now and I'm not really where I want to be...
 

Eidan

Member
Damn, I think I'm approaching a plateau on my OHP (5/3/1). Was only able to do 2 reps (1 was Wendler's required amount).
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Damn, I think I'm approaching a plateau on my OHP (5/3/1). Was only able to do 2 reps (1 was Wendler's required amount).

1. It's not Wendler's required amount, it's the prescribed reps for the programming.

2. OHP is one of the hardest lifts to improve and one of the first to stall.

3. If you feel like you wanna do more, throw in some heavy singles.
 

abuC

Member
Down from 168 to 154 at 5'6". Feeling much better. My lifts suck though

165 bench
225 squat
245 dead
95 ohp (really shitty)
95 rows (super shitty)

why am i so weak did i make the right decision trying to lose all this weight so i can get fat again and strong



You're stronger and leaner than you were this time last year.
 

bro1

Banned
On another note, is nerdy dead?

He was supposed to do a crapload of squats the other day and hasn't resurfaced yet.
Ha! Not dead, just tired! Did the routine, ran 3k and swam 20 laps yesterday morning. Sore as hell today and had to pull weeds all morning. Just want to sleep!
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I loled.

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Ha! Not dead, just tired! Did the routine, ran 3k and swam 20 laps yesterday morning. Sore as hell today and had to pull weeds all morning. Just want to sleep!

Then take a nap!
 

spootime

Member
Do you guys think that there is a real downside to doing seated dumbbell shoulder presses as opposed to doing a standing OHP? Seated press is more comfortable for me, and I've progressed faster with it so I'm inclined to stick with it.
 
Lol at the dude in Weight loss thread having some sort of crusade against Fit-GAF. Don't remember him ever posting here but he sure has some strong opinions on what kind of advice is given here..

It just felt so damn bitter and what he was saying was just wrong too. Bah, no reason to get worked up about it. Moving on!

Ready to start up 5/3/1 again next week. Gonna do BBB for squat and deadlift day. Will use this site for the 5/3/1 calculator - http://blackironbeast.com/5/3/1/calculator

Pretty excited to get back to basics and just get stronger again.
 

SeanR1221

Member
Well my fiancé and I finally set a wedding date and will probably be taking engagement photos in early October. More of a reason to stay steady with a cut. I want to look damn good for those photos.
 

mooooose

Member
Thursday - 2 Wendys Snack Wraps
Friday - Wendys Jr Cheeseburger and 5 pc chicken nugget
Sunday - BK Double Stacker with Medium Fries and Coke

I am still (possibly) down almost 15 pounds but this has been a sad few days :(
 
So I'm coming off a decent month long cut. What should I do next? Should I immediately go back to clean bulking or stay at maintenance for a few weeks?
 
What is the general consensus on low-resistance stationary bike HIIT? 10 minutes of 30 seconds slow-going, 30 seconds going as fast as I can possibly force myself, repeat. I've found it to be pretty taxing physically and HIIT in general I enjoy a lot more than low-intensity long-duration cardio (mostly because I just don't have time to add another 20-40 minutes to my routine).

I guess, I'm wondering if there are any legitimate reasons that I should consider another form of HIIT, such as running, swimming, etc?

EDIT: I'm basically bulking right now. Lifting heavy and eating big. Wanted to keep up cardiovascular health though.
 

Lamel

Banned
LEANGAINS GAF.

It is the holy month of ramadan so I have to fast. And IF is the only way I can continue to train as well.

What kind of training should I do while on IF? Same 3x a week? What kind of movements? What kind of set/rep range? Should I stick to the same as SS?

Also, should I add cardio or no?

Keep in mind I am slim, I am about 150 lbs (12-13%BF) at 5'10"-11", and I have done SS for around 1 year (a little hiatus in the middle, but I did gain 20 lbs...yes I was 130 lbs before I started).

So should I "bulk" with IF, or try to maintain and lose some fat?

Sorry for a SHITLOAD of questions, but help is appreciated.

Edit: I just finished 1 month of Insanity as well, but will be willing to get back into resistance training if circumstances permit.
 
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A More Normal Bird

Unconfirmed Member
Do you guys agree with this article?

http://www.muscletech.com/resources/features/full_body_workout/index.shtml


Basically full body workouts in one day three times a week.

Pretty much every beginner strength routine will be comprised of 3 full body workouts a week, so the idea is nothing new. I only skimmed this piece but it just looks like an unprogrammed strength routine with isolation exercises thrown in. I'd imagine you'd get much better results with a linear progression system such as Grayskulls or an intermediate program like 5/3/1 where you can play around with your assistance lifts. This depends on your level of course.
 

Haxxor

Member
Well my fiancé and I finally set a wedding date and will probably be taking engagement photos in early October. More of a reason to stay steady with a cut. I want to look damn good for those photos.

Congratulations guy! I think that will be a really good motivator.
 
What kind of training should I do while on IF? Same 3x a week? What kind of movements? What kind of set/rep range? Should I stick to the same as SS?

Also, should I add cardio or no?

So should I "bulk" with IF, or try to maintain and lose some fat?
Listen to your body, I'm continuing SS in ramadan, with moderate cardio, and eating maintenance calories with adequate protein intake.

Works for me.
 

Violater

Member
Age: 33
Height:5'-9"
Weight:175lbs (after 2 weeks of workout my weight hovers around 175 its been around there for about 2-3 yrs)
Goal:160-165lbs, Strength gains ( to be leaner and overall sexay)
Current Training Schedule: Mon-Wed-Fri (trying the beginner full body workout in the op, not very successfully unfortunately)
Current Training Equipment Available: P****t F**ness gym
Comments:I try to eat healthy, getting in good sources of protein, low fat, whole grains, veg. For the most part I think my genetics are kicking my ass. I wish I could get into the gym and do more cardio, but either time doesn't allow, or I find that I am dead tired. I think weekends are more damaging to my diet regiment that anything else.



Just as an example for breakfast I had

I'll try to fill in the rest of the days meals later on.
Side note, can someone give me the noob explanation of this 5x3x1 stuff

Needless to say this will be a long process for me and I will have lots of questions, thanks in advance.

Should do some cardio on Sat mornings or on my "rest days", or maybe supplement my routine somehow?
How much calories should I be consuming?
My back hurts like crazy during my workout on those dead-lift days what are some good warm-up exercises to avoid that so I can push through the other exercises.?
 

despire

Member
Do you guys agree with this article?

http://www.muscletech.com/resources/features/full_body_workout/index.shtml


Basically full body workouts in one day three times a week.

I don't really get this article. It reads like full body workouts 3x week is some kind of new innovation when it's the oldest trick in the book like other's have stated.

And there's not any info on how to proceed with the program. Only info I could find is that you should do 2-4 sets of 10-12 reps. At least squats are present but didn't see deadlift.

There's also broscience in that you should take a protein shake immediately after working out..
 
I don't really get this article. It reads like full body workouts 3x week is some kind of new innovation when it's the oldest trick in the book like other's have stated.

Most sites/magazines try to spin old things as news because actual new things aren't invented quickly enough to sustain a steady stream of articles. I don't normally read this site but I'd assume that's what happened here. It's certainly what the men's fitness mags that show up in community magazine racks here are like.
 
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