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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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That routine makes absolutely no sense. You're giving your body no time to rest and rebuild, especially because you have chest and back grouped, as well as bis and tris. That means your arms are getting no rest since back works bis and chest works tris, by default.

There is absolutely no logic or planning to what you are doing. Read the OP.

That's good to know. I was under the impression the way I was going about it was fine since I'm working similar muscle groups so they don't get disproportionate.
Thanks for the advice on which to work together. I'll try that stuff out and hopefully have better workouts with more results. I'll also look at OP for more
 

Gray Man

Banned
No hostility towards crossfit if it fits with your goals, but a crossfit program in particular is not going to give you those type of muscle gains, even with steroids.

You have gained at most 2 lbs of muscle. As said, the human body can not do what you have claimed. It literally cannot create that much muscle in that timeframe without steroids.

Tell you what, I have a doctors appointment for a reassurance of shin splints, I'll ask him and get his opinion on it and I'll get back to you. I'm not trying to be condescending either.

With the Whole milk, a increase in intensity and focused crossfit workouts, and diet changes, I've seen it done, and I'm close to accomplishing it currently.

I do have to ask though, do people here have a problem with Crossfit, or do they have a problem with shitty Crossfit trainers?
 

Violater

Member
My one rep max on dumbbells after 14 months of lifting is 105lbs. I'm 5'8", 170lbs. Definitely doable, 5 reps with perfect form will be pretty tough though unless you're a big dude.

edit. I should also say I started with, like, 20lb dumbbells, so you've already got a good bench foundation. I think you can do it.

You should post a pic of yourself.

I'm 5'9, 175lbs and way out of shape.
 

Gray Man

Banned
Has anyone here ever done any Atlas stone lifting, or shouldering?

Its something I've just gotten into, man is it so much fun. Its a really big challenge, has anyone else had experience with it?

Atlas_Stones.JPG


Now here is the best video I could fine of people doing some Atlas Stone Shouldering. The man at the start is the instructor here, and has the form down pretty much 100 %

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBqzgpX1R-I

You guys should try it, Stone lifting is a good challenge, something fresh, and great for you.

It also makes you feel like a bad ass.
 

Violater

Member
that doesnt seem way out of shape for your size. what is your age?
From further back
Age: 33
Height:5'-9"
Weight:175lbs (after 2 weeks of workout my weight hovers around 175 its been around there for about 2-3 yrs)
Goal:160-165lbs, Strength gains ( to be leaner and overall sexay)
Current Training Schedule: Mon-Wed-Fri (trying the beginner full body workout in the op, not very successfully unfortunately)
Current Training Equipment Available: P****t F**ness gym
Comments:I try to eat healthy, getting in good sources of protein, low fat, whole grains, veg. For the most part I think my genetics are kicking my ass. I wish I could get into the gym and do more cardio, but either time doesn't allow, or I find that I am dead tired. I think weekends are more damaging to my diet regiment that anything else.
 

Tashi

343i Lead Esports Producer
I always wished I could train with Strongman equipment and courses. Must be so much fun. Flipping tires, carrying those stones, dragging sleds...I would still do it if I had the opportunity.
 

Petrie

Banned
Tell you what, I have a doctors appointment for a reassurance of shin splints, I'll ask him and get his opinion on it and I'll get back to you. I'm not trying to be condescending either.

With the Whole milk, a increase in intensity and focused crossfit workouts, and diet changes, I've seen it done, and I'm close to accomplishing it currently.

I do have to ask though, do people here have a problem with Crossfit, or do they have a problem with shitty Crossfit trainers?

I honestly have no issue with crossfit if it fits with your goals. It just isn't going to get you the huge gains you are describing. I'm truly trying to get you to be real with yourself. 10lbs of muscle in 4 weeks just isn't going to happen.

I'm sure you have seen people add 10lbs with such a diet and program. It was not muscle.

I think most people's issues with crossfit come from its emphasis on speed over form, which you can see in any of the events they hold, and being very, very overpriced for what you get.
 

Dosia

Member
What are your guys' opinions on lateral raises and upright rows? I have torn my rotator cuff in the past and I would like to avoid injuring it again. My friend I workout with is a big fan of upright rows especially but I am reading a lot of articles stating they are not a safe lift.
 

Petrie

Banned
What are your guys' opinions on lateral raises and upright rows? I have torn my rotator cuff in the past and I would like to avoid injuring it again. My friend I workout with is a big fan of upright rows especially but I am reading a lot of articles stating they are not a safe lift.

Seems to be the general consensus. I don't do lifts that don't feel natural and confortable. The includes upright rows.
 
What are your guys' opinions on lateral raises and upright rows? I have torn my rotator cuff in the past and I would like to avoid injuring it again. My friend I workout with is a big fan of upright rows especially but I am reading a lot of articles stating they are not a safe lift.

I hear people say there's some problem with nerve impingement? I've never researched it in detail because OHP is so satisfying that I don't need another heavy shoulder movement. I don't think there's anything wrong with lateral raises though.
 

Veezy

que?
Tell you what, I have a doctors appointment for a reassurance of shin splints, I'll ask him and get his opinion on it and I'll get back to you. I'm not trying to be condescending either.

With the Whole milk, a increase in intensity and focused crossfit workouts, and diet changes, I've seen it done, and I'm close to accomplishing it currently.

I do have to ask though, do people here have a problem with Crossfit, or do they have a problem with shitty Crossfit trainers?

Crossfit style WODs, otherwise known as circut training, are an effective form of metabolic conditioning. Mixing one to three chippers or race to the end style workouts in with your LP or 5/3/1 programming is an effective way to keep yourself well balanced.

However, factually, if all you're doing is a bunch of workouts designed around metabolic conditioning and not doing any sort of focused strength training you are not going to make significant strength gains. At the point you start doing strength and conditioning, you're no longer doing "Crossfit" if you will, you're just doing strength and conditioning training program.

Well, unless you're on steroids. You will plateau. There's no escaping it.

I won't begin to get into the terrible management, the absolutely zero science backed form of program design (their "endurance" programming is laughable at best), or their MLM style business.

There are some amazing people involved in Crossfit and some amazing Crossfit gyms. However, most of those people aren't doing Crossfit main site programming. They're doing regular ass strength and conditioning programs.
 

Dosia

Member
I hear people say there's some problem with nerve impingement? I've never researched it in detail because OHP is so satisfying that I don't need another heavy shoulder movement. I don't think there's anything wrong with lateral raises though.

Yeah I like OHP with the bar and db's. Maybe I will just stick with those. Thanks
 

Gray Man

Banned
Crossfit style WODs, otherwise known as circut training, are an effective form of metabolic conditioning. Mixing one to three chippers or race to the end style workouts in with your LP or 5/3/1 programming is an effective way to keep yourself well balanced.

However, factually, if all you're doing is a bunch of workouts designed around metabolic conditioning and not doing any sort of focused strength training you are not going to make significant strength gains. At the point you start doing strength and conditioning, you're no longer doing "Crossfit" if you will, you're just doing strength and conditioning training program.

Well, unless you're on steroids. You will plateau. There's no escaping it.

I won't begin to get into the terrible management, the absolutely zero science backed form of program design (their "endurance" programming is laughable at best), or their MLM style business.

There are some amazing people involved in Crossfit and some amazing Crossfit gyms. However, most of those people aren't doing Crossfit main site programming. They're doing regular ass strength and conditioning programs.


Yeah, you could probably call this gym Crossfit inspired.

Yesterday we had something awful of a workout.

5 Rounds for Time

12 Squat Cleans, for me at 95 lbs
400 Meter Run.

My time was 21:58 min.

The day before that we did "Crossfit Total"

Its Deadlifts, Back squats, and Strict Presses. You start at a low weight and do 2-3 reps until you hit your max.

You add up the three numbers and you have your "Total" number. What I love about the gym is that they have record boards for what everyone has done, a few "Timed" workouts and most devoted to lifts.
 
He's probably talking about the Starting Strength DVD which has extensive videos on all the lifts. Pretty good stuff.

Are those videos significantly different than what float around youtube? If so does anyone have an opinion on whether the DVD is worth it for someone who owns the book? I always find the instructional form videos helpful.
 

blackflag

Member
Yes, yes I have. Im a juinior on GAF, but not at the gym. Ive gained 12 pounds total, 2 to 3 in water weight and 9-10 in muscle. Im not sure what you want me to tell you man. I've been drinking an entire gallon every day. Other people have done this and have experienced similar, better, and worse results.

LOL there's absolutely ZERO chance you gained 10 lbs of muscle with no fat gain.....let alone in 4 weeks.
 

Kyaw

Member
I've gained 2kg over 4 weeks in a bit though with slight more than my 'normal' diet and SS.

Not so sure if muscle or just fat. :p
 

TheExodu5

Banned
Are those videos significantly different than what float around youtube? If so does anyone have an opinion on whether the DVD is worth it for someone who owns the book? I always find the instructional form videos helpful.

It's just about 30 minutes per exercise...with a group of maybe a half dozen people, he eases them into the exercise (body quat -> bar squat -> barbell squad), and then goes over their form while they perform the exercise. I find the videos pretty helpful, but I have yet to read through the book entirely, so I'm not sure how much they help in addition to the book.
 

Veezy

que?
Yeah, you could probably call this gym Crossfit inspired.

Yesterday we had something awful of a workout.

5 Rounds for Time

12 Squat Cleans, for me at 95 lbs
400 Meter Run.

My time was 21:58 min.

The day before that we did "Crossfit Total"

Its Deadlifts, Back squats, and Strict Presses. You start at a low weight and do 2-3 reps until you hit your max.

You add up the three numbers and you have your "Total" number. What I love about the gym is that they have record boards for what everyone has done, a few "Timed" workouts and most devoted to lifts.

Yeah, I've been involved, and well removed, from Crossfit for about five years. Here's what's wrong with that split:

1. 22 minutes of endurace training, where you're pushing yourself at 85-90% of your max heart rate, is strictly for elite athletes. I.E. People with 5+ months of hard conditioning under their belt (well rounded or endurance focused peeps). I don't know how long you've done CF for, but that split is brutal. I'd drop two of the sets, at least.

2. Strict squat clean when you can power clean a weight is an unnatural movement. You need at least close to a 1RM, possibly 3RM, to really do a good full clean with complete range of motion without forcing yourself in the movement. It's one thing to warm up, it's a completely different thing to break up 60 reps of a movement.

3. Also on the full cleans, they're a movement designed for a few powerful reps, not multiple endurance reps. This is due to the nature of the movement. 60 full cleans, inbetween .25 mile runs, is going to cause a massive break down in form, resulting in unsafe movements and a increased chance for injury.

While I'm well aware with what the Total is, you should see right there the issue. One day you're doing a quasi powerlifting meet, and the next day you're doing a 22 minutes of ball busting endurance movement using high reps of an Olympic lift? Here's a better one:

5 Sets - For time - all weights with 95lbs to 155lbs (scale for level of training)

5 hang cleans
5 push presses
5 back squats
400m sprint
30-90 seconds of rest

All of those are easily do able, will knock you on your ass, aren't going to go into crazy injury form territory, and are giving yourself enough of a break to where when you grab the bar again you're not going to screw up to opening cleans. (now we're getting into exercise science territory, but for endurance work that pushes you near [95%-100%] your max heart rate or the top end of your heart rate reserve, there's a recommended 1 to 5 ratio of work to rest.)

This is just my opinion, so if you're having fun and making progress AND FEEL SAFE keep at it, but Crossfit always has encouraged a "20% slop factor" (this is a real thing) and if the split isn't based around that slop factor not fucking up your joints, you're running into problem territory. There's a reason the main site has an injury page and a lot of gyms can't get liability insurance and had to create the Crossfit RRG.
 

SeanR1221

Member
More before/afters

here is me in September. Just starting up eating healthy again and hitting the gym

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Then here I am today. Same shirt. Started strong lifts in January.

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I was actually pretty happy when I saw the progress.
 

Rookje

Member
Anyone ever done tough mudder? I'm gonna do it here in FL. Not gonna bother to train, either. Will die.
I have. I aced all of the obstacles, and it was my 1st time and I wouldn't say I'm in god-tier shape like 95% of the other people there. The hardest part was just the endurance/jogging/running/hiking/going down hills.

If you do it, do it with a group. Its not a race, but try doing it under 3 hours. (Assuming its 10 miles)
 

agrajag

Banned
Well, I've finally manned up and added more weight to my squats. 135lbs, ATG. It's really nothing, but I'm proud of myself. I think I'm finally starting to *get* squats. I wasn't exploding up before, which made it much harder for me.
 

SeanR1221

Member
you mean fat?

Well the scale really hasn't moved since I started in late May. I started off with 1700 calories and recently pushed it down to 1500 calories. I'm maintaining all my compound lifts and have even hit some PRs. I also run 3x a week on my off days (usually 3 miles). I have some ideas why the scale isn't moving.

- creatine causing water retention

- I drink about a gallon of water a day

- still lifting really heavy and like I said, even hitting PRs
 

blackflag

Member
Well the scale really hasn't moved since I started in late May. I started off with 1700 calories and recently pushed it down to 1500 calories. I'm maintaining all my compound lifts and have even hit some PRs. I also run 3x a week on my off days (usually 3 miles). I have some ideas why the scale isn't moving.

- creatine causing water retention

- I drink about a gallon of water a day

- still lifting really heavy and like I said, even hitting PRs

1,500 cals????? How much do you weigh. I'd die on that lol.

i'm cutting at 2,300 and that is 1k-1.2k below maintenance.
 

Gray Man

Banned
Yeah, I've been involved, and well removed, from Crossfit for about five years. Here's what's wrong with that split:

1. 22 minutes of endurace training, where you're pushing yourself at 85-90% of your max heart rate, is strictly for elite athletes. I.E. People with 5+ months of hard conditioning under their belt (well rounded or endurance focused peeps). I don't know how long you've done CF for, but that split is brutal. I'd drop two of the sets, at least.

2. Strict squat clean when you can power clean a weight is an unnatural movement. You need at least close to a 1RM, possibly 3RM, to really do a good full clean with complete range of motion without forcing yourself in the movement. It's one thing to warm up, it's a completely different thing to break up 60 reps of a movement.

3. Also on the full cleans, they're a movement designed for a few powerful reps, not multiple endurance reps. This is due to the nature of the movement. 60 full cleans, inbetween .25 mile runs, is going to cause a massive break down in form, resulting in unsafe movements and a increased chance for injury.

While I'm well aware with what the Total is, you should see right there the issue. One day you're doing a quasi powerlifting meet, and the next day you're doing a 22 minutes of ball busting endurance movement using high reps of an Olympic lift? Here's a better one:

5 Sets - For time - all weights with 95lbs to 155lbs (scale for level of training)

5 hang cleans
5 push presses
5 back squats
400m sprint
30-90 seconds of rest

All of those are easily do able, will knock you on your ass, aren't going to go into crazy injury form territory, and are giving yourself enough of a break to where when you grab the bar again you're not going to screw up to opening cleans. (now we're getting into exercise science territory, but for endurance work that pushes you near [95%-100%] your max heart rate or the top end of your heart rate reserve, there's a recommended 1 to 5 ratio of work to rest.)

This is just my opinion, so if you're having fun and making progress AND FEEL SAFE keep at it, but Crossfit always has encouraged a "20% slop factor" (this is a real thing) and if the split isn't based around that slop factor not fucking up your joints, you're running into problem territory. There's a reason the main site has an injury page and a lot of gyms can't get liability insurance and had to create the Crossfit RRG.

Thanks for the reply, this is some actual criticism, instead of the "Crossfit gives you Rhybo" or "Crossfit is a scam!" posts I see on other sites

So what your main concern is the form and if I'm breaking down in that form? I was probably hitting.. I would say, 2 reps per min, and the Trainer/Owner, made people switch to power cleans. We had emphasis on taking enough time with the Squat Cleans so technique wouldn't fall apart.

However I quite like what you just suggested, I'll have to try it some time. Maybe its just me, but one of the things I like about Crossfit, or this gyms blend of it, is that it has its strength days, its endurance days, and days where it mixes them.

The way a class is structured goes like this:

-Warm Up
-Skill/Technique practice. (this changes every week)
-Strength/Power training
-Workout of the Day.
-Optional/sometimes mandatory finisher.
 
Well the scale really hasn't moved since I started in late May. I started off with 1700 calories and recently pushed it down to 1500 calories. I'm maintaining all my compound lifts and have even hit some PRs. I also run 3x a week on my off days (usually 3 miles). I have some ideas why the scale isn't moving.

- creatine causing water retention

- I drink about a gallon of water a day

- still lifting really heavy and like I said, even hitting PRs

nothing wrong with the water. also try HIIT. is that what you do or just jog?
 
Well the scale really hasn't moved since I started in late May. I started off with 1700 calories and recently pushed it down to 1500 calories. I'm maintaining all my compound lifts and have even hit some PRs. I also run 3x a week on my off days (usually 3 miles). I have some ideas why the scale isn't moving.

- creatine causing water retention

- I drink about a gallon of water a day

- still lifting really heavy and like I said, even hitting PRs

look into PSMF. Worked for me.
 

SeanR1221

Member
1,500 cals????? How much do you weigh. I'd die on that lol.

i'm cutting at 2,300 and that is 1k-1.2k below maintenance.

I'm 5'8, 183 pounds. Yeah it's low, but I hit 180g of protein pretty easily and my performance has been fine at the gym, surprisingly.

nothing wrong with the water. also try HIIT. is that what you do or just jog?

Right now jogging. Is hiit ok to do if I'm only eating like 20-30g of carbs a day? I thought I remember someone in here posting a link that said not to do it while on low carb. I have no issues trying it.

look into PSMF. Worked for me.

I'm about to start work again, do you have any links handy? Me engagement pictures are in October and I'd like to look my best for them.
 
I had low energy today when I went to the gym and couldn't add weight to any of my lifts. I decided to just lower the weight across the board and do more sets. 5x5 instead of 3x5 of squats, bench and deadlift. Is that what people generally do on crappy days? I'm just wondering since this is the first day I really had no energy.
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
I had low energy today when I went to the gym and couldn't add weight to any of my lifts. I decided to just lower the weight across the board and do more sets. 5x5 instead of 3x5 of squats, bench and deadlift. Is that what people generally do on crappy days? I'm just wondering since this is the first day I really had no energy.

On days when I have really low energy I just don't go.
 

ToxicAdam

Member
Some of my best workouts are when I had low energy before I went. About 10-15 minutes in, something kicks in and I get an incredible rush of energy and do way more than I normally do.

Maybe it's just mania.
 

Petrie

Banned
I had low energy today when I went to the gym and couldn't add weight to any of my lifts. I decided to just lower the weight across the board and do more sets. 5x5 instead of 3x5 of squats, bench and deadlift. Is that what people generally do on crappy days? I'm just wondering since this is the first day I really had no energy.

Since SS has me squatting 3 days a week, if it's what I consider a "blah" day, I generally either cut them out entirely, do lighter sets, or just do one heavy set. I squat enough where I'm ok with it, especially since I'm dealifting so heavy now.
 

agrajag

Banned
Some of my best workouts are when I had low energy before I went. About 10-15 minutes in, something kicks in and I get an incredible rush of energy and do way more than I normally do.

Maybe it's just mania.

I'm kind of weird like that too. Some days I'll be feeling all pumped up to go to the gym, but my lifts suck. Other days, I just drag my ass in there, but once I get going I have some of the best workouts.
 

Petrie

Banned
So what are some of the more original workouts anyone has done recently? I'm always looking to branch out to new things.

You're really in the wrong place man. This thread prefers to stick to tried-and-true methods, not the newest trends. We stick with what's been proven to work the best.
 

themadhatter444

Neo Member
Anyone ever done tough mudder? I'm gonna do it here in FL. Not gonna bother to train, either. Will die.

Yes. And Phoenix's Super Spartan this year. The hardest part is absolutely the endurance aspect. The obstacles are nothing to worry about assuming you aren't a whale, but jogging between all of them gets pretty taxing. Electroshock Therapy is pretty indescribable as is the Arctic Enema. But the feeling of going through the gauntlet and making it out alive is pretty incredible. Absolutely worth it.
 

Gray Man

Banned
You're really in the wrong place man. This thread prefers to stick to tried-and-true methods, not the newest trends. We stick with what's been proven to work the best.

I'm sorry I thought this was Fitness OT my bad. You may want to be more specific next time.
 
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