It isn't snobby to put it out there that Clif bars are not quality nutrition. They're marketted that way, and it's importan=t people realize its a candy bar. If you wouldn't eat a Snickers every day before lifting, you shouldn't have a Clif Bar then either. Will it ruin your gains? No. But it isn't good for overall health, which is what this thread is about.
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It isn't snobby to put it out there that Clif bars are not quality nutrition. They're marketted that way, and it's importan=t people realize its a candy bar. If you wouldn't eat a Snickers every day before lifting, you shouldn't have a Clif Bar then either. Will it ruin your gains? No. But it isn't good for overall health, which is what this thread is about.
According to my volume of broscience, those who DON'T smash a protein bar daily are totally sabotaging their workouts and gains. They might as well just order a pizza and sit on gaf all day.
(Also my protein bars are 20g, not insignificant at all.)
You guys all seem to be treating this thread as a weightlifting thread, and not a fitness thread. We are discussing the health of a diet and foods, not simply how it will help/hinder your muscle gains.
the whole if it fits your macros thing is kind of silly IMO. why waste calories/carbs/fats on a treat, that isn't going to fill you up nor provide any good nutrients? For the same amount of calories (twinkies is 150) you could eat 3 apples! Thats just one example, you could have some nuts, some veggies etc. All these will satisfy your stomach way more.
The Mana Legend
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Oh, and whoever was the person that suggested adding a table spoon of Extra Virgin Olive Oil into a Protein Shake is a god.
Seriously. That extra 120 calories along with the Protein Shake kept me much fuller until my next meal than my last Protein Shake. And it fit perfectly into my diet.
Seriously. That extra 120 calories along with the Protein Shake kept me much fuller until my next meal than my last Protein Shake. And it fit perfectly into my diet.
the whole if it fits your macros thing is kind of silly IMO. why waste calories/carbs/fats on a treat, that isn't going to fill you up nor provide any good nutrients? For the same amount of calories (twinkies is 150) you could eat 3 apples! Thats just one example, you could have some nuts, some veggies etc. All these will satisfy your stomach way more.
This. 1000x this.
The point being made is they are candy bars, and should be treated as such.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
I'm down 23 pounds on this cut with maybe another 10 to go. This is the farthest I've gotten in a long time. I acknowledge different things work for different folks. I follow the macros because it's an easy way for me to count and portion things out. I'm probably running at about a 1000 calorie defecit a day with caloric defecit and calories burnt from working out. It's working well.
Of course. I'm the biggest subscriber of ESID, especially when it comes to dieting and fitness. I just meant personally I'm always surprised by how much people can eat and still see gains with weight loss. My body doesn't work like that so it's foreign to me but awesome for those who can.
It isn't snobby to put it out there that Clif bars are not quality nutrition. They're marketted that way, and it's importan=t people realize its a candy bar. If you wouldn't eat a Snickers every day before lifting, you shouldn't have a Clif Bar then either. Will it ruin your gains? No. But it isn't good for overall health, which is what this thread is about.
Joking aside, a Builder's bar or any protein bar is completely different than a Snicker's bar. Besides the obvious protein supplement that it is, depending on the bar it also has way less sugar than a Snicker's would. Clif's specifically also use a variety of organic ingredients, though I don't personally eat Clif's. If we're talking strictly weightlifting with goals of mass gain, I think it's nonsense to suggest protein bars are in any way detrimental to your health or diet.
You guys all seem to be treating this thread as a weightlifting thread, and not a fitness thread. We are discussing the health of a diet and foods, not simply how it will help/hinder your muscle gains.
I'm just responding to your above example that specifically said eating a protein bar before lifting is the same as eating a candy bar.
It isn't snobby to put it out there that Clif bars are not quality nutrition. They're marketted that way, and it's importan=t people realize its a candy bar. If you wouldn't eat a Snickers every day before lifting, you shouldn't have a Clif Bar then either. Will it ruin your gains? No. But it isn't good for overall health, which is what this thread is about.
It's not bad for overall health so long as it fits into into your plans. I'm not any less fit because of this. Lol. I'll tell you what. I have 3 left in my box. I'll replace them in the mornings with egg whites and steel cut oats per workout and I'll let you know if I feel more fit. =)
Joking aside, a Builder's bar or any protein bar is completely different than a Snicker's bar. Besides the obvious protein supplement that it is, depending on the bar it also has way less sugar than a Snicker's would. Clif's specifically also use a variety of organic ingredients, though I don't personally eat Clif's. If we're talking strictly weightlifting with goals of mass gain, I think it's nonsense to suggest protein bars are in any way detrimental to your health or diet.
Yes, it's a slightly less shitty candy bar.
Also, Clif bars have just as much sugar as a Snickers, at least the 4 varieties I just looked up certainly do.
I'm just responding to your above example that specifically said eating a protein bar before lifting is the same as eating a candy bar.
Nutritionally they aren't all that different.
the whole if it fits your macros thing is kind of silly IMO. why waste calories/carbs/fats on a treat, that isn't going to fill you up nor provide any good nutrients? For the same amount of calories (twinkies is 150) you could eat 3 apples! Thats just one example, you could have some nuts, some veggies etc. All these will satisfy your stomach way more.
It does fill me up though. You're assuming everyone is the same. It's like you havent read any of my other posts regarding this. Look at the rest of my diet.
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Yes, it's a slightly less shitty candy bar.
Also, Clif bars have just as much sugar as a Snickers, at least the 4 varieties I just looked up certainly do.
Which is why I said "depending on the bar". Pure Protein bars for example only have 3g of sugar.
Anyway, if you really think protein bars aren't advantageous to weightlifters then I really don't know what to say. You do you, I'll do me I guess.
It's not bad for overall health so long as it fits into into your plans. I'm not any less fit because of this. Lol. I'll tell you what. I have 3 left in my box. I'll replace them in the mornings with egg whites and steel cut oats per workout and I'll let you know if I feel more fit. =)
The problem is we just aren't measuring health on the same scale.
Which is why I said "depending on the bar". Pure Protein bars for example only have 3g of sugar.
Anyway, if you really think protein bars aren't advantageous to weightlifters than I really don't know what to say. You do you, I'll do me I guess.
And a ton of artificial crap.
Again, we are discussing health, not just what's advantageous to weightlifting. These items are not healthy. They are candy bars. Take them for what they are.
The problem is we just aren't measuring health on the same scale.
You're right. There is no objective basis for this.
You're right. There is no objective basis for this.
Exactly. For one person it's whether they are losing weight/gaining muscle. For me, I care just as much about what's going on inside with insulin resistance, etc.
Agree to disagree I suppose.
yankeeforever2
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Question, I am 6 feet 2 inches with a big body type, what should be my goal weight, I am thinking around 215 or should it be lower?
All of this talk sounds like justification to have a sugar-filled protein bar when you don't have to.
Who cares? If I could eat pizza on a daily basis and still look and feel great I would. The bar isn't hurting me. There's some uptight folks in here.
The Mana Legend
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Question, I am 6 feet 2 inches with a big body type, what should be my goal weight, I am thinking around 215 or should it be lower?
Around 190-200.
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Usually lower saturated and trans fats than a candy bar.. good source of fiber.. PROTEIN. I understand what you're saying. Pumping down some extra chicken breasts or salmon steaks or whatever is much healthier than eating a protein bar. But bars are a supplement for a reason, they help reach caloric or protein goals on top of the rest of your diet and are in a form of convenience. What I'm arguing with you is your comparison of a protein bar to a candy bar, not that there aren't healthier alternatives to a protein bar. That's just straight up silly.
Who cares? If I could eat pizza on a daily basis and still look and feel great I would. The bar isn't hurting me. There's some uptight folks in here.
I don't think it's uptight to want people to know the truth about what they are eating. Millions is spent to convince people things are healthy that are in fact, not at all.
Usually lower saturated and trans fats than a candy bar.. good source of fiber.. PROTEIN. I understand what you're saying. Pumping down some extra chicken breasts or salmon steaks or whatever is much healthier than eating a protein bar. But bars are a supplement for a reason, they help reach caloric or protein goals on top of the rest of your diet and are in a form of convenience. What I'm arguing with you is your comparison of a protein bar to a candy bar, not that there aren't healthier alternatives to a protein bar. That's just straight up silly.
I know what you're trying to say, and I'm saying you're wrong. Nutritionally they are on par with a candy bar. Not the same, but similar.
Hell, have you looked at a SNICKERS? They saw this trend and now advertise their protein and shit on the front of the wrapper, marketting themselves as a healthy food, just like the protein bars.
Usually lower saturated and trans fats than a candy bar.. good source of fiber.. PROTEIN. I understand what you're saying. Pumping down some extra chicken breasts or salmon steaks or whatever is much healthier than eating a protein bar. But bars are a supplement for a reason, they help reach caloric or protein goals on top of the rest of your diet and are in a form of convenience. What I'm arguing with you is your comparison of a protein bar to a candy bar, not that there aren't healthier alternatives to a protein bar. That's just straight up silly.
Well there you go. It rounds out my calories and my macros, is convenient and fast, is cheap, and is a nice treat for a workout. I'm losing 2 pounds a week, I don't want to lose any more than that. It works for me. Maybe I should switch to a Snickers after all.
I don't think it's uptight to want people to know the truth about what they are eating. Millions is spent to convince people things are healthy that are in fact, not at all.
I never said healthy. I said fits into my routine. I could replace this with a chicken breast and a few beers but that wouldn't be as filling and I don't like working out drunk.
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
I know what you're trying to say, and I'm saying you're wrong. Nutritionally they are on par with a candy bar. Not the same, but similar.
Hell, have you looked at a SNICKERS? They saw this trend and now advertise their protein and shit on the front of the wrapper, marketting themselves as a healthy food, just like the protein bars.
Well, with over a decade of weight training and probably thousands of protein bars in my gut, I can also just as easily say you're wrong and let that be the end of that. My point stands that if I need 200g of protein a day, and I can get 20 of it from an easy to carry and eat bar that also helps me reach my 3k+ calorie count for the day, I will gladly reach for an evil protein bar over a Snickers bar and take my chances. Clearly the poison hasn't hit me yet..
MrToughPants
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Who cares? If I could eat pizza on a daily basis and still look and feel great I would. The bar isn't hurting me. There's some uptight folks in here.
Welcome to my world.
Just ordered a large pizza.
I never said healthy. I said fits into my routine. I could replace this with a chicken breast and a few beers but that wouldn't be as filling and I don't like working out drunk.
No, but you interjected into a conversation that was about overall health. The posted is on P90x, not a heavy lifting routine, so I continued on the discussion that I had begun with. If it works for you, great, but that doesn't make it healthy, which was what I was discussing.
Welcome to my world.
Just ordered a large pizza.
Also, stop talking about pizza before you ruin my day!
No, but you interjected into a conversation that was about overall health. The posted is on P90x, not a heavy lifting routine, so I continued on the discussion that I had begun with. If it works for you, great, but that doesn't make it healthy, which was what I was discussing.
It doesn't make it unhealthy unless you're eating beyond your bounds. As with any food. A healthy body will take all the crap in a Clif bar or a snickers bar and crush it.
And since we are talking about overall health then I can claim this bar is better for my mental health so I don't go crazy on this cut. It's my main source of carbs for the day besides veggies or oats.
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A healthy body will take all the crap in a Clif bar or a snickers bar and crush it.
...what?
Come on, dude. Eating a snickers bar is way less healthy than not eating one, no matter how you spin it. It's just a bunch of unnecessary chemicals and sugar. It's like soda. Just because you're healthy in other ways doesn't completely "offset" the bad stuff you might also ingest.
It's not going to kill you, but don't pretend that it's not an unhealthy food. We all eat stuff like that from time to time. Nothing wrong with it, but just be honest with yourself.
...what?
Come on, dude. Eating a snickers bar is way less healthy than not eating one, no matter how you spin it. It's just a bunch of unnecessary chemicals and sugar. It's like soda. Just because you're healthy in other ways doesn't completely "offset" the bad stuff you might also ingest.
It's not going to kill you, but don't pretend that it's not an unhealthy food. We all eat stuff like that from time to time. Nothing wrong with it, but just be honest with yourself.
I'm done here. I'm going to weigh 2 pounds less next time this week eating junk. I'm living the dream!
The Mana Legend
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Welcome to my world.
Just ordered a large pizza.
I just had two pieces of pizza. Fucking fantastic. <3
MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
Whoa, what thread am I in? Everyone's eating pizza and Snickers bars? Wow fitness is easy!
It is when you're blessed with God-like genetics.
Check out PeterRubbish on yt, now that's a diet.
It is when you're blessed with God-like genetics.
Check out PeterRubbish on yt, now that's a diet.
Searched, no results. Also, you have God-like genetics huh? That's great.
I'm done here. I'm going to weigh 2 pounds less next time this week eating junk. I'm living the dream!
Bye.
The Mana Legend
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Whoa, what thread am I in? Everyone's eating pizza and Snickers bars? Wow fitness is easy!
Fitness actually isn't difficult at all as long as you eat in moderation and have a balanced diet. Just have a balanced diet and exercise and don't overeat. That simple.
It's when you get into the intense exercising when completely cutting out certain foods is really necessary.
FallingEdge
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I'm done here. I'm going to weigh 2 pounds less next time this week eating junk. I'm living the dream!
lol have fun.
Bye.
With that line of convo. See you in the weight loss thread. Your diet could use some work btw.
Syphon Filter
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After a while of fitness you look at pizza as nasty. It's crazy how things can change so easily.
MrToughPants
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Searched, no results. Also, you have God-like genetics huh? That's great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3n9I5B3UGM&feature=plcp
Syphon Filter said:After a while of fitness you look at pizza as nasty. It's crazy how things can change so easily.
What's a while?
I'm nearing 14 years and this pizza is fantastically delicious as it slides down my throat the warm pepperoni, succulent ham slices and flavourful sausage bits coat my throat in mouth watering grease.
After a while of fitness you look at pizza as nasty. It's crazy how things can change so easily.
Never. Pizza will always be godlike.
The Mana Legend
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After a while of fitness you look at pizza as nasty. It's crazy how things can change so easily.
For me, the pizza never gets old.
What gets disgusting is the processed and canned shit. And Hot Pockets. Holy fuck, Hot Pockets. How I ate those as much as I did when I was a kid I'll never know.
Fitness GAF. I'm here requesting some advice. Per the OP, I submit the following:
Age: 31
Height: 6'1
Weight: 217 lbs
Goal: ?
Current Training Schedule: daily regiment of stretches, soft tissue work, progressive calisthenics
Current Training Equipment Available: gym membership
Comments: screw being out of shape
Long story short, I'm sick of wasting away. My main question for you all regards getting into a full squat position. I'm trying to address my lack of flexibility. What is the best way to get used to sitting in a full squat position? Do you guys have any good resources? I feel like my ankles aren't flexible enough, and I fall backwards, unless I'm holding onto something. Is that okay to do until I get used to it? ie holding onto something to keep me from falling backwards when I'm in a full squat?
I'm trying to bounce back from a back injury, and I'm addressing all the problems that come from working at a desk for the past 7 years. Lots of work with my hips, glutes, and hamstrings. Anyone else come back from something like this? 'Could sure use some motivation from someone who has dealt with this.
some things you should keep in mind:
1) you are tall, so a natural squat position for you is going to be different than a shorter guy. you can try putting 5lbs plates or a board under your heels which should help a lot with the flexibility issues. widen your stance if it feels more natural.
2) you have a history of back injury. I wouldn't even recommend you do barbell squats at all unless a doctor thinks it's safe for you to do them. you can get a great leg and glute workout on a hack squat machine or leg press and they are much easier on your back.
For me, the pizza never gets old.
What gets disgusting is the processed and canned shit. And Hot Pockets. Holy fuck, Hot Pockets. How I ate those as much as I did when I was a kid I'll never know.
Yeah. Stuff like that I have no desire to ever ingest again.
Tawney Bomb
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Hello fitness GAF! I actually enjoy your powerlifting antics, because there is useful info in there. So no hate here.
I've been slowly cutting, I'm down from 21% to 18% and I was wondering, does cutting ever get better, or do you just kind of stay hungry until you bulk again?
I've been slowly cutting, I'm down from 21% to 18% and I was wondering, does cutting ever get better, or do you just kind of stay hungry until you bulk again?
Yeah. Stuff like that I have no desire to ever ingest again.
Did you ever eat Bagel Bites? Used to scarf those down like no tomorrow haha
Hello fitness GAF! I actually enjoy your powerlifting antics, because there is useful info in there. So no hate here.
I've been slowly cutting, I'm down from 21% to 18% and I was wondering, does cutting ever get better, or do you just kind of stay hungry until you bulk again?
It gets a bit easier, but what you really need to do is find different foods, not just cut back portions. For instance when I'm bulking I eat tons of beef, pork, etc, but when the time comes to cut, I eat the same volume, just in chicken, turkey, etc.
Did you ever eat Bagel Bites? Used to scarf those down like no tomorrow haha
I actually always liked Totinos Pizza Rolls better. I was lazy and bagel bites out of the microwave tasted like soggy asshole, while pizza rolls were still decent.
I would eat a bag of like 50 of those things in one sitting.
Tawney Bomb
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It gets a bit easier, but what you really need to do is find different foods, not just cut back portions. For instance when I'm bulking I eat tons of beef, pork, etc, but when the time comes to cut, I eat the same volume, just in chicken, turkey, etc.
Hadn't thought about that, but that sounds pretty good. I'll have to start mixing things up.
The Mana Legend
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Did you ever eat Bagel Bites? Used to scarf those down like no tomorrow haha
I had one box of 9 of Bagel Bites every single night my entire freshman year of college.
I didn't gain a single pound, but I certainly felt disgusting all the time. Now I can't even think about it without getting sick.
Hadn't thought about that, but that sounds pretty good. I'll have to start mixing things up.
It makes a big difference. A beef burger has like 350 calories, while a turkey burger has 150-200 for the same volume. Simple changes like that make cutting not as rough as it can be otherwise.
Also, sunflower seeds tend to be my best friend. Lets me snack for hours and only take in 200-300 calories.
Tawney Bomb
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It makes a big difference. A beef burger has like 350 calories, while a turkey burger has 150-200 for the same volume. Simple changes like that make cutting not as rough as it can be otherwise.
Also, sunflower seeds tend to be my best friend. Lets me snack for hours and only take in 200-300 calories.
Turkey burgers hadn't crossed my mind. I have a pound bag of sunflower seeds at work (with shells removed, yeah!) when I want a snack, love em.
Turkey burgers hadn't crossed my mind. I have a pound bag of sunflower seeds at work (with shells removed, yeah!) when I want a snack, love em.
No way man. You don't want the shells removed because then you eat them way too fast! Defeats the point!
Some of my favorite foods during my cut have been stuff like turkey burgers, salmon burgers, chicken sausages, tacos made with ground turkey or chicken, and other variations on this obvious theme.
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