I'm sharing my thoughts. You in return can share your thoughts, but I don't take everything I hear here as gospel, no need to get butthurt over it. Ultimately I think I have entirely different goals than most of the posters here who chase after huge weights and want to become as big as possible.
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Fitness |OT6| Defying gravity, Quest madness, and Muscle Shaming
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I'm sharing my thoughts. You in return can share your thoughts, but I don't take everything I hear here as gospel, no need to get butthurt over it. Ultimately I think I have entirely different goals than most of the posters here who chase after huge weights and want to become as big as possible.
FallingEdge
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I recently watched this movie:
I'm pretty much aiming fro Donnie Yen's physique. Which I find interesting since when I started working out, I was actually closer to Sammo Hung's physique.
Two ends of the spectrum.
Sammo Hung was great in Dragons Forever.
You should try to be more like him.
FallingEdge
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Great for the traps.
http://www.jimwendler.com/2012/09/the-great-rack-pull-myth/
As mentioned, more of an accessory lift.
I agree.
Deadlift BBB day. Needed 370x3, got 370x5. Then 5x10 at 205. only question is this: I failed the first time I tried, on the first rep. Couldn't even get it up... So I rested some more, tried again, and got it. Counts right? Idk why it wouldn't, just making sure.
Also what are rack pulls?
Also what are rack pulls?
Of course it counts.
This is a rack pull:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=To8_U11JJcA&desktop_uri=/watch?v=To8_U11JJcA
Chris Jones explaining them, for some reason this forum won't let me attach youtube videos with timestamps. 1:42 is the part.
Same as deadlifts, you just don't start from the ground but a little higher (still below the knee).
Edit: Noema posted above the knee video, I do them below the knee.
No, it's that you aren't at a level where you should be doing such things. If you've been around you'd know my primary goals are aesthetic, but ignoring legs (deadlifts are just as important to legs as squats) will hold you back no matter what your goals are. Once you reach a certain level of strength you can determine how to move forward, but rack pulls on their own are silly, and only working your ego. Assistance work is called that for a reason.
are you going to get rid of bench press and just do tricep pushdowns too?
FallingEdge
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Back and Biceps at the gym today. Fucking killed it.
242 lbs. Oh man, we growing.
242 lbs. Oh man, we growing.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
You may as well just do pullups then. There are far better things you could be doing than rack pulls.
If you think squats cover the same things as deadlift you're severely mistaken.
"Rackpulls or nothing at all" reeks of a cop out.
She was cute as hell though, and she was asking because she needed to know since she was the one performing the massage.
Honestly, I'd like to hear what your goal is and why rack pulls accomplish that goal better than deadlifts. Especially since you said "I don't like deadlifts, but I like rack pulls" as your only argument for doing them initially. Because at this point it seems like you might not even know what your goal is and if you do, you might not know the best way to get there.
But by all means, do you.
SquiddyCracker
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How did that massage go btw
I honestly prefer massages given by big burly men over small petite women, because the latter don't have anywhere near enough force to properly punch those dense muscles up.
I honestly prefer massages given by big burly men over small petite women, because the latter don't have anywhere near enough force to properly punch those dense muscles up.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
How did that massage go btw
I honestly prefer massages given by big burly men over small petite women, because the latter don't have anywhere near enough force to properly punch those dense muscles up.
It went great, she said she basically had to break my back down "from scratch." And said we both were going to be sore as hell the rest of the day.
Actually, she did.
She actually said near the end "I feel bad when I work on guys like you, I don't even know if I'm getting to your issues and I end up beat to crap when I'm done."
I told her she was/is doing awesome and way better than my previous MT and she said that was very sweet to say and at the end called me "sweetie." lol.
She was literally propping herself up on the table to put her full weight onto me and eventually using her entire arm as a "foam roller" on my hamstrings back and glutes at the end.
How did that massage go btw
I honestly prefer massages given by big burly men over small petite women, because the latter don't have anywhere near enough force to properly punch those dense muscles up.
Sounds like someone is fishing for a massage from Shogun.
SquiddyCracker
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Sounds like it would be amazing, not kidding
I loved it when my ex would just straight up walk on my back (no shoes obviously!).
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Oh lawd.
I'm doing only incline bench right now, I don't do regular bench. Might consider adding decline bench later on if I feel the need to work on my lower chest.
I've seen your pictures and didn't really like the proportions of your body -- if that's what I'll be missing out on then I'm fine with that.
Again, my goal has never been to become huge. I'd still like to look representable and good in a suit.
Obviously I'm not ignoring my legs if I'm still doing squats and other leg exercises. My pants are already getting tight around the thighs area and I don't really care about getting them much bigger.
Pullups were the first thing I did today.
FallingEdge
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Mind posting up a pic of your ideal body?
And I don't know if it was your intention or not but the bolded part comes off as rather rude. To me anyway.
No need to get personal, we have no tolerance for that here.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I'm saying this as nicely as possible, but you really need to read up on fitness literature.
And what's wrong with Petrie's proportions? He's not out of whack at all. That phrase really confuses me. I think you may be confusing him with someone else.
Petrie actually has come a long way and down a tough road. He's been sculpting his body while having to deal with Diabetes and he's done a fantastic job.
I mean seriously. How are these proportions bad? Look at this stud. Sliced and diced.
That really doesn't tell me anything.
Also, lets see some pictures of you.
My pictures aren't some big ripped dude. If you don't even want to have that much muscle, then you should just do cardio and eat better. I don't know what you're trying to accomplish, but you're ignoring deadlifts is just ignorant.
You must wear stupidly tight pants.
I think you must be mistaking my pics for someone else.
*see above*
That's out of proportion? lolz
FallingEdge
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I'm saying this as nicely as possible, but you really need to read up on fitness literature.
And what's wrong with Petrie's proportions? He's not out of whack at all. That phrase really confuses me. I think you may be confusing him with someone else.
Petrie actually has come a long way and down a tough road. He's been sculpting his body while having to deal with Diabetes and he's done a fantastic job.
I mean seriously. How are these proportions bad? Look at this stud. Sliced and diced.
That really doesn't tell me anything.
Also, lets see some pictures of you.
maybe he means that he isnt as strong and as sexy as me which i can understand.
its okay petrie, we can get there together.
All-you-can-eat sushi buffet, here I come.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Well, I mean that would make sense, but clearly the dude wasn't wanna get big and well, FE, I hate to tell you, but you're just too bulky.
SquiddyCracker
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Petrie is quite ripped, but not some sort of swole monster that can't fit into clothes
Not sure how his proportions are bad either.
Not sure how his proportions are bad either.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Petrie is quite ripped, but not some sort of swole monster that can't fit into clothes
RIP Yoga pants and bicycle shorts.
Yeah. I got too big. Time to quit.
what a weird page.
today I did 203 lbs on HB squat for the first time and took video with the phone, looked good enough and barring one or two reps, all were on parallel, go me.
I am very much in maintenance anyway, I try to eat and sleep but damn, it's hard, It's getting waaaayyyy to busy, have concerts and 25 piano students all of a sudden so I'll have to wait until october to have some peace of mind and take care of progression on the gym.
today I did 203 lbs on HB squat for the first time and took video with the phone, looked good enough and barring one or two reps, all were on parallel, go me.
I am very much in maintenance anyway, I try to eat and sleep but damn, it's hard, It's getting waaaayyyy to busy, have concerts and 25 piano students all of a sudden so I'll have to wait until october to have some peace of mind and take care of progression on the gym.
Petrie is quite ripped, but not some sort of swole monster that can't fit into clothes
Not sure how his proportions are bad either.
I have to wear garbage bags. Nothing else fits.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
You're gonna get so swole you're gonna smash your peddles and fracture your keys.
At least it sounds like professionally, life is great!
I already stated on the previous page that I do think that deadlifts are the better exercise. I just don't like doing them and I don't think it's a mandatory thing to do to build a bigger and wider back.
I've want more thickness to my back and rack pulls should serve that goal well.
Again, I'm not saying my way is the best way. But it's the best one for me as if I want to keep my gym going a positive and good experience for myself. If I don't want to do deadlifts then I won't -- simple really. I've happy with my gains and I've done it all without deadlifts.
Shoulders kinda small and core kinda thick, so just the hips to shoulders ratio. It's not like I'm calling him hideous -- just little things that could be better/different.
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How's your belly?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
So you know something will work better, but you refuse to do it, because you simply "don't like it?"
You're not gonna last long lifting if this is your reasoning. The moment you stall you're gonna quit.
Sounds like a good excuse for shower shenanigans.
Side note. MT made a joke at the end telling me my homework was to "hit my IT bands while they were still lose and warm" then followed up with "Whoops, that's not appropriate in this setting *giggle*"
Awww yeah! Next appointment scheduled!
FallingEdge
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eat
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
rip
Bigger but I still have visible abs. No problem. Still feel leaner at 242 than I did at 240 in March.
So you know something will work better, but you refuse to do it, because you simply "don't like it?"
You're not gonna last long lifting if this is your reasoning. The moment you stall you're gonna quit.
Sounds like a good excuse for shower shenanigans.
Side note. MT made a joke at the end telling me my homework was to "hit my IT bands while they were still lose and warm" then followed up with "Whoops, that's not appropriate in this setting *giggle*"
Awww yeah! Next appointment scheduled!
Next up: the fabled happy ending.
I've actually seen a guy wear garbage bags at one of my gyms. I can understand that it might work like a budget sweat suit, but...come on.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
They actually sell suits like that. The only guys I ever see use them are Wrestlers/fighters cutting for weighin.
The thought ran through my head even though it would never happen.
It may sound weird but she seemed "really into" the massage. Made it much more enjoyable for multiple reasons.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I think deadlifts are a great exercise and definitely has many positive sides but I don't think it's neccessary to get a bigger, nicer back.
Stall on what? Deadlifts that I'm not doing to begin with?
It's worth the risk.
let's see what happens
, I am a bit late to learning (or bringing up to level) one or two pieces for those concerts in October so I am practicing more hours than I should.... plus students, plus eating, plus sleeping,..and keeping track of my numbers on everything, I try to take one step at the time but I REALLY think I will enjoy lifting more after I have more time in October. no, he must be refering to me, damn that Squat video I took today, I was thinking about sharing and have someone check my form but no way, my ass is getting really disproportionate, It looks like that of an old fat woman when I am below parallel, lol.
Man I wish I has a hot MT. Last woman I went to was a humongous Russian. Think Zangief.
The time before that my wife and I did a couples massage. The girl was pretty hot. As she was rubbing up my back her boobs kept pressing against my head? Accident? Maybe!
probably
You've missed out on years of back scrubbin'
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Always worth the risk.
/facepalm
Nevermind.
LOL that's hilarious.
Mine isn't "hot" but she's very cute. And only 1 year older than me. Our kids are about the same age too.
Necessary? No. Going to hold you back and make shit take way longer, along with holding back your potential? Yes.
The body works in tandem, it's a system. You can't just ignore a huge part of the system and expect substantial results in any reasonable timeframe.
Shogun's right. Not even worth it. Do you brah.
That's not 100% true though, the Hodgetwins don't do deadlifts, if someones goal is to just build an aesthetic physique they don't need deadlifts.
And I say that as someone that does them, there are too many athletes (specifically boxers) that are in incredible shape that have never done deadlifts.
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