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Fitness |OT9|...You looked better before

Chorazin

Member
Hey guys - am thinking about buying some creatine because my lift progression has been somewhat slow. However, I've read that it bulks you up, which is not my goal right now (doing lean gains/carb cycling). Should I hold off on buying it until I've reached my goal weight?

Creatine doesn't "bulk you up" it simply allows for faster muscle development and recovery. If you want to progress in lifting you kinda need to grow muscle, which in turn allows for more fat burning because you're using more energy to build more muscle and so forth an so on. If you don't want to gain much muscle but lose fat, do cardio based workouts and low weight, high rep workouts with a calorie restriction.
 
Does anyone have any experience with Lean Mode? A friend of mine had a kid a year ago and is trying to lose both pre and post pregnancy weight. She asked me about it but I do not take supplements so I could not help her out.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Does anyone have any experience with Lean Mode? A friend of mine had a kid a year ago and is trying to lose both pre and post pregnancy weight. She asked me about it but I do not take supplements so I could not help her out.


I have experience with fat mode, lemme know when you swing the other way.
 

despire

Member
Does anyone have any experience with Lean Mode? A friend of mine had a kid a year ago and is trying to lose both pre and post pregnancy weight. She asked me about it but I do not take supplements so I could not help her out.

Full of bullshit ingredients that will not do really anything noticeable. Not worth the money.

If she wants to lose fat she needs to diet.
 

entremet

Member
ok... so Kevin Lebrone is back and he will compete for Mr. Olympia 2016.

I got to watch this video https://www.facebook.com/Mxmuscleselite/videos/1228106440568789/ (I hope you guys can watch it)

This is the guy with the infamous "detransformation" (is that a word??) pic on the internet. (left is before! right is AFTER! after he stopped competing)



so he started training again and is making a comeback and looks like in the before pic, maybe even bigger judging by the video

quiet amazing, in several ways.

and Brolic, nice to have you back :)

Obviously enhanced, but still impressive at how the body can adapt even after detraining.
 
I am dancing around the italicized. I don't want to offend her.

Thanks for the tip though!

Here's a good general statement about supplements (especially weight loss ones that don't contain tapeworm eggs or some other questionable ingredient):

If what you're doing now isn't working, adding the supplements will only make your wallet lighter.
 

studyguy

Member
I just ate like a whole salmon...gaawwrglrrruuuuggghhhh

Keeping up diets to gain weight is some shit. I realized I just eat a shitload more now, I used to be like whatever man breakfast lunch dinner. Now it's like 10AM and my stomach is rumbling anyway after a nice breakfast.
 
Here's a good general statement about supplements (especially weight loss ones that don't contain tapeworm eggs or some other questionable ingredient):

If what you're doing now isn't working, adding the supplements will only make your wallet lighter.

This is damn good. Appreciate it.
 

mdsfx

Member
Keeping up diets to gain weight is some shit. I realized I just eat a shitload more now, I used to be like whatever man breakfast lunch dinner. Now it's like 10AM and my stomach is rumbling anyway after a nice breakfast.

Gain weight? What's that?
 
Had a pretty big mountain biking crash.

Busted up my other elbow (joins the one I smashed up a month or so back), broken a rib, fucked up my carbon handlebars and bent my saddle rails.

:(

Mr Glass.
 
Sleeping is a bit of a bitch. Tried doing it sitting up but can't really lean on my arms so that's out. Can't sleep on my front because of pressure directly on the screwed rib. Can't sleep on my back because of pushing my ribs forward (resulting in pressure on the screwed rib)...

...just about managed (after about 5 hours of trying) to find a way of laying on my right side that works. Just about. Only problem is that getting into that position is agony too. Ho hum. lol
 

mdsfx

Member
Sleeping is a bit of a bitch. Tried doing it sitting up but can't really lean on my arms so that's out. Can't sleep on my front because of pressure directly on the screwed rib. Can't sleep on my back because of pushing my ribs forward (resulting in pressure on the screwed rib)...

...just about managed (after about 5 hours of trying) to find a way of laying on my right side that works. Just about. Only problem is that getting into that position is agony too. Ho hum. lol

Ugh I'm sorry man. That's brutal. If I were you I'd start playing some videogames and enjoying that collection of beer you posted long ago. I can't help but picture you crawling onto a bike anyway though. Don't do it!
 
Ha, I'll probably still be doing turbo trainer stuff. I had an event this Sunday, but that's off now.

I'd organised another bike park session for a week before my next event... but I'm cancelling that now.
 

Szu

Member
Had a pretty big mountain biking crash.

Busted up my other elbow (joins the one I smashed up a month or so back), broken a rib, fucked up my carbon handlebars and bent my saddle rails.

:(

Mr Glass.

Man, rest up.

It feels like it was just the other day when you showed me the bruised elbow.
 

Szu

Member
Pyscho, take a tip from one of your countrymen.

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Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
Just ripped out 31 reps on bench of my bodyweight. I was 180.4 today. It was tough going those last 4 or 5.
 

av2k

Member
Yes, ON Gold Standard is great, tastes great.

Thanks! I'm kind of new to dieting with protein supplements.. is there anything else I should be adding to this ON protein powder to help accelerate my weight loss? I've been going to my MMA classes five times a week for about an hour a day.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Thanks! I'm kind of new to dieting with protein supplements.. is there anything else I should be adding to this ON protein powder to help accelerate my weight loss? I've been going to my MMA classes five times a week for about an hour a day.


Cocaine would do the trick.
 
Cocaine would do the trick.

Nah man, crystal meth, krokodile, or just straight up heroine. It's all good.

But the real superdrug is patience, and executing will power to cheat less with progress, not more. Otherwise you're just using the old weight and its metabolic rate as the offset / baseline for where you think you should be in terms of calorie intake to body weight. Metabolism actually relates to body weight (from Kevin Hall's presentation on that), and so with each significant loss your metabolic rate also decreases, meaning you should decrease your expected caloric intake with time and progress, not use the exact same number as when you were heavier.
(because that's the maintenance number for that higher weight, not the lower weight. There can a full 1000 calorie difference between the two rates too, from 3k at 200+lbs to a measly 2k at 150lbs. So adapt your rate with the loss, and you need to cheat less with loss, not more)

What I think is actually more interesting about that data from Hall, is that it might explain why 'bulking' even works at all. Not because of some crazy 'this is what your body does, motherfucker!' theory, but simply the increase in metabolism from an increase in body weight, affecting the rates of building up muscle versus de-building them. Like temporarily tipping the scale towards the first, whereas a subsequent cut may not significantly increase the latter half of that equation.
I really dislike all those "this is how a cell works" micro-scale empirical findings turned into macro level theories, since that's not how you're supposed to connect those dots. Macro data, macro theory. Micro data, micro theory. Don't cross the streams, that's bad science.

I'm kind of writing an alternate 'diet guide' because I saw that the bestsellers on Amazon are all "EPIC TRANSFORMATION" type diets, which is basically the way to get six months loss, then regain it all in three years. If I'm completely wrong here, I would like to hear before I press 'publish'. Not that it matters for self-published crap (and oh boy is it all crap), but still, I just want to see where that goes.
 

henderson

Neo Member
What's the best calorie/macro calculator?

I'm 5'9" and 145lb, skinny but not lean. I used to be shredded at this weight, not anymore.

I would like to get lean and then get back up to 165 or so, as lean as I can manage (I'm in no hurry).
 

Ixian

Member
What's the best calorie/macro calculator?

I'm 5'9" and 145lb, skinny but not lean. I used to be shredded at this weight, not anymore.

I would like to get lean and then get back up to 165 or so, as lean as I can manage (I'm in no hurry).
I use this spreadsheet from RippedBody.jp. Here are some others: IIFYM, TDEE Calculator, SailRabbit. If you're good about calorie counting, you can also use this spreadsheet to get a more accurate idea of your TDEE over time.
 

henderson

Neo Member
I use this spreadsheet from RippedBody.jp. Here are some others: IIFYM, TDEE Calculator, SailRabbit. If you're good about calorie counting, you can also use this spreadsheet to get a more accurate idea of your TDEE over time.

Thanks. I assume I am reasonably accurate with my counting because I have no trouble maintaining a weight for months on end with only a 1lb or so fluctuation on any given day.

Do most people find it beneficial for lean-ness (both while recomping and gaining) to eat more calories on workout days than on rest days?
 

Ixian

Member
Do most people find it beneficial for lean-ness (both while recomping and gaining) to eat more calories on workout days than on rest days?
I don't know about physical benefits (stuff like that's always going to be debatable/likely minor), but I find it mentally beneficial to have a bigger meal on my lifting days.
 

Slamo

Member
I'm just a lurker here but wanted to thank you guys for helping me out without even knowing it.

With all the information in this topic I learned about calories, macros, best workouts, etc. Things that I had no idea I needed... For years I have been just working out so that I could eat whatever I wanted. Now I eat what I need to workout and just be as healthy as I can.

Just keep doing what you do. I's sure there are many others like me that are lurking and continuously learning from you. Thanks.

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Maximo

Member
Anyone have advice for bulking or cutting? Currently have about 19% body fat im a mesomorph with some decent muscle definition and im doing well on my strength training for about 2+ months now gaining some fat/muscle in the process. But Is it easier to Bulk then Cut or Cut then Bulk? With spring coming in Australia the weather is finally good enough to start swimming again and something I wanted to add with my Strength Training but im still self conscious with taking my shirt off and deciding if I should continue gaining muscle or focus on losing some weight as summer rolls in then continue bulking next year.
 

NESpowerhouse

Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane.
For the last couple of years, I've been getting really bad calf cramps after I go running. They started when I was running track in high school. Our coach was terrible and told us that we should not stretch (lmao), so I assumed that's what brought them on. However, even times when I do stretch before and after running, they still happen. They sometimes just crop up at random, like when I'm casually flexing my calves, or in the ocean from a strong current, or like last night from getting on my bike. Sometimes the muscle completely locks up, and I can't move it at all. It hurts like hell, and it feels like I'm about to die every single time. Do you guys think it could be a potassium deficiency, or could if be that I'm dehydrated, or maybe a combination of the two?
 
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