Frozenprince
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Anything Ken Burns does is excellent.
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Floyd Mayweather says Muhammad Ali is fifth best boxer ever.
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Anything Ken Burns does is excellent.
Andre Ward beat him worse, and no way was Joe going to fight Ward lol.
Definitely not trying to discredit his performance in that fight. He was a machine, and Kessler looked like a boy in there with a man.
Joe beats Ward. Come at me bro.
I get your argument. I'd pick Super Joe over any SMW I've ever seen (he'd deck Ward, I don't care what anyone says), but even by that talent & performances metric, he'd still not make top 5 P4P.
Manmademan
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1.) ROCKY MARCIANO
2.) ROCKY MARCIANO
3.) ROCKY MARCIANO
4.) ROCKY MARCIANO
5.) ROCKY MARCIANO
that could be because he was already retired...
1.) ROCKY MARCIANO
2.) ROCKY MARCIANO
3.) ROCKY MARCIANO
4.) ROCKY MARCIANO
5.) ROCKY MARCIANO
Amazing. Forgot about this.
1.) ROCKY MARCIANO
2.) ROCKY MARCIANO
3.) ROCKY MARCIANO
4.) ROCKY MARCIANO
5.) ROCKY MARCIANO
I still say that this is one of the best makeup/prosthetic jobs I have ever seen. Acting was spot on too. Had me completely fooled.
Frozenprince
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Fuck I love that movie.
Woody Invincible
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Hi5
1.) ROCKY MARCIANO
2.) ROCKY MARCIANO
3.) ROCKY MARCIANO
4.) ROCKY MARCIANO
5.) ROCKY MARCIANO
Joe Louis was 76 years old when they fought!
I know that, he wasn't going to fight Ward under any circumstance though. Ward was already making a new for himself when Joe retired...
Hands of Stone
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Where's Greb?
HP_Wuvcraft
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Tyson's not in the list. Trumps Mayweather's BS 100x.
"I know that, he wasn't going to fight Ward under any circumstance though."
Because he was bored with boxing. He just didn't want to get up everyday and go and train. He had no motivation for it anymore. Same thing has happened to Carl Froche. The good boxers know that when the desire has gone then it's time to leave. The irony is that Froche used to beg Joe to come out of retirement and Joe told him that he couldn't motivate himself for such a fight. Now Carl knows how Joe felt.
Because he was bored with boxing. He just didn't want to get up everyday and go and train. He had no motivation for it anymore. Same thing has happened to Carl Froche. The good boxers know that when the desire has gone then it's time to leave. The irony is that Froche used to beg Joe to come out of retirement and Joe told him that he couldn't motivate himself for such a fight. Now Carl knows how Joe felt.
shaowebb
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Marciano was TERRIFIED of Joe Louis. The guy was a legend in his mind. He trained himself harder for that fight than he ever trained before because he thought he was gonna die. He trained for the legend and forgot that Louis was a man past his prime and not the destroyer he used to hear about. He fought in that ring like he was afraid to hold back or play safe. He fucked up an old boxer pretty bad in there that night because he was afraid of the kind of beatings the legend could dish out in his mind. He built up the legend so high it couldn't measure up to anything he was preparing to actually fight. It was pretty brutal for Louis and pretty painful for how it affected Marciano after the fight.
Marciano was devastated by seeing Joe Louis lose is the crazy thing. He felt HORRIBLE afterwards. He used to visit Louis who was being nursed and such at the time as a lot of beaten down old boxers were. He blamed himself as if all the damage done to Louis was all his own personal fault and not the combined effect of a career of boxing. He literally felt responsible for Louis' health and such. He knew how hard he fought him and only after he won did he see how hard he fought and trained and he felt nothing but shame and pity after the fight.
Joe Louis was one of the most painful fights for Rocky Marciano. His biography goes into it in pretty large detail.
Marciano was devastated by seeing Joe Louis lose is the crazy thing. He felt HORRIBLE afterwards. He used to visit Louis who was being nursed and such at the time as a lot of beaten down old boxers were. He blamed himself as if all the damage done to Louis was all his own personal fault and not the combined effect of a career of boxing. He literally felt responsible for Louis' health and such. He knew how hard he fought him and only after he won did he see how hard he fought and trained and he felt nothing but shame and pity after the fight.
Joe Louis was one of the most painful fights for Rocky Marciano. His biography goes into it in pretty large detail.
Ninja Scooter
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Props to Floyd for giving El Gran Campeon some love. You might get a ppv buy outta me yet.
Metalingus5150
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Cassius clay is better.
Zeus Molecules
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Too many great fighters to have an undisputed top 10. Mayweather though deserves to be in the conversation of all time greats. On the flip I would love to see an argument of top 10 welterweights Duran, Hearns, Mayweather, both Sugar Rays, Pac Man, maybe Chavez if you stretch the definition of welterweight.
spazchicken
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Any list without Tyson somewhere in it is ridiculous.
And Floyd putting himself at the number one spot is just lol and typical of him,
Where's Roy Jones Jr. as well?
Anyone that claims Tyson should be in the top 5, couldn't name 10 boxers if their life depended on it. If you've only ever heard of 5 boxers, than yeah, he's top 5.
Casual list
1.Ali
2.Tyson
3.Foreman
4.Roy Jones Jr
5.Mayweather
No googling allowed.
Ninja Scooter
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No it's not. There is way too much history and way too many variables in boxing to have any real definitive list that's not going to leave somebody out. Tyson in his prime was amazing to watch, but it was a very short prime and he fought a lot of bums. It doesn't help his legacy that whenever he got around to fighting other hall of famers (Holyfield and Lewis, who were also past their primes) he wilted and was embarassed. Great fighter, but far from being a "no doubt about it" top fiver.
Triggerhappytel
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I'm not a boxing aficionado, but I've always liked Lennox Lewis: 41 wins (32 KO), 2 losses, 1 draw. I remember being so hyped for the fights against Holyfield and Tyson, and Lewis just wiped the floor with both.
Frozenprince
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Limiting a list to 5 is stupid as hell when there are so many wight classes and great P4P fighters anyway.
Don't forget Pacman & ODLH.
entremet
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Lewis was a fun fighter.
Goro Majima
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Well what about Rocky Marciano?
Edit: didn't read the second page before quoting ;(
massivekettle
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Why aren't the Klitchkos Bros. in the top 5?
They have been dominating the Heavyweight class for the past 10-15 years...
They have been dominating the Heavyweight class for the past 10-15 years...
Nemesis121
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Oh shit all these years i just notice that Cuba Gooding Jr sitting in the chair getting his hair cut..
You almost had me.
Weaker era...Vitali struggled life and death with an older Lennox Lewis, and most people consider Vitali to be the better of the two. I think Wlad has gotten much better over the years, he would match up well now against any of the greatest heavyweights in history, certainly would demolish some of the popular picks (lol @ even a prime Tyson having a chance against Klitschko).
Lewis retired so he wouldn't have to fight Vitali again. That knocks him down a couple of pegs.
Epsilon-delta
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My personal top five:
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Ali
3. Duran
4. Joe Louis
5. Henry Armstrong
There are too many great boxers to make a top five without a lot of people disagreeing. I won't disagree with people putting Ezzard Charles, Hagler, Ricardo "Finito" Lopez or even RJJ in their top five.
You can make a case for either of those boxers pretty easily.
Sugar Ray will always sit at number #1 for the simple fact that he fought 12 hall of famers multiple times and beat them, including a win against Henry Armstrong.
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Ali
3. Duran
4. Joe Louis
5. Henry Armstrong
There are too many great boxers to make a top five without a lot of people disagreeing. I won't disagree with people putting Ezzard Charles, Hagler, Ricardo "Finito" Lopez or even RJJ in their top five.
You can make a case for either of those boxers pretty easily.
Sugar Ray will always sit at number #1 for the simple fact that he fought 12 hall of famers multiple times and beat them, including a win against Henry Armstrong.
Sad read.
Bullshit, bruh. Get this obnoxious tosh outta here.
illmatic22
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I'll throw a few thoughts out there
Floyd Jr is arguably top 5
Ray Robinson is the GOAT IMO
Duran is oft forgotten in this discussion and I do like his inclusion here
Tyson while a phenomenal performer and Athlete, lacks the resume to be considered unfortunately
Floyd Jr is arguably top 5
Ray Robinson is the GOAT IMO
Duran is oft forgotten in this discussion and I do like his inclusion here
Tyson while a phenomenal performer and Athlete, lacks the resume to be considered unfortunately
As a mexican, im surprised someone with the reputation of Mayweather acknowledged Julio Cesar Chavez.
At the same time it's weird that both boxers with records of over 100 wins are a postion behind of boxers that don't even break 50, himself included (but of course he would rank himself #1).
Not a box buff, but sounds like he pulled that list out of his ass and just placed himself at #1 and Ali #5 to get a reaction out of people.
At the same time it's weird that both boxers with records of over 100 wins are a postion behind of boxers that don't even break 50, himself included (but of course he would rank himself #1).
Not a box buff, but sounds like he pulled that list out of his ass and just placed himself at #1 and Ali #5 to get a reaction out of people.
xDUMPWEEDx
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I don't know if I could make a "greatest boxers" list and not have Joe Louis somewhere. Boxing prowess aside, the guy was pretty much the Jackie Robinson of the sport, and was simultaneously the Jesse Owens when he beat down the Nazi's Max Schmeling.
Vitali simply doesn't have the record, mostly due to his injuries.
Wlad is great, he has dominated the heavyweight division for a decade, but his division is not the strongest historically, although I think that similar cases are deliberately overlooked when it comes to other boxers. That said, he will likely find his place among the Top 10 of the heavyweight division, not just due to his dominance, but due to his incredible development and comeback.
I think using the term "Nazi's Max Schmeling" is a bit unfortunate (and unfair to Schmeling). They tried to use him as a puppet, but the guy himself was (from what I've read) pretty damn good, at least given the circumstances.
We're all glad Schmeling lost to Louis though. Heck, Schmeling himself said he was happy in hindsight. Maybe not the greatest boxer, but seemingly a great human being. Here is a great obituary.
Cool thing is he and Schmeling became good friends.
Epsilon-delta
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Prime Sweet Pea was a joy to watch. One of the best defensive boxers I have ever seen. When he made a prime ODLH miss 12 punches in a row, that was a sight to behold.
With that being said, he doesn't belong in the top five of all-time greats.
PHOENIXZERO
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I think it can be widely agreed upon that by the time those fights happened Tyson wasn't anywhere close to the same fighter he was in the 80s. Tyson's prime as a pro boxer was incredibly short and a lot of that can be blamed on Don King along with Tyson himself. But after leaving his manager for King and later cutting ties with Cus D'Amano's guys who trained him while and after Cus died on King's influence Tyson wasn't the same and that's before going into the 90s.
I'd be willing to wager had D'Amano been 20 years younger or at least lived another 10 or so years Tyson life and career would've been quite different.
Frozenprince
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Don King singlehandedly killed the sport.
Fucker deserves to burn for all the horrible shit he's done.
Mighty Chin
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I'll take decisive wins over 12 round decisions.
What that tells me is you dominated your opponent as opposed to your opponent being able to take you to the limit.
What that tells me is you dominated your opponent as opposed to your opponent being able to take you to the limit.
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