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football thread 13/14 |ot12| last roll of the dive
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flintstryker
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Just read about Lewondowski to Bayern..I don't see the point of the rest of the budesliga trying at this point.
While this is true, I think playing English players at the highest level helps too, not just the early development.
Sturridge for example, compared to his time at Chelsea, is much improved because he's at a club where he gets games and the manager trusts him.
Those 4 clubs I mentioned have usually had a pretty solid base of England players in their side, purchased or otherwise. In comparison to Arsenal, and now City. Even clubs like Newcastle would rather go out and spend on French players than English, but I can't blame them because of the inflated pricing.
Yes I do like the commitment to playing young players and giving them the chance they deserve and you're right that all of those clubs do their part.
Speaking of getting chances, Mohamed Salah's previous contractor is on record as being willing to scrap the agreed sell-on fee with Basel to help Salah get his move to England. It says a lot about a player's personality that those around him are willing to eschew financial gain to see him succeed.
Also read that article that Moses's lack of starts is souring Chelsea's prospects of selling us Bertrand. Sorry Chelsea, we are not developing your player for you if he's not good enough to play, he won't play. Though I disagree with accusations that he's lazy. I don't think he's lazy I think he just doesn't fit, though his mentality may be a part of that.
It's like The Matrix. Bayern are the machines and the Bundesliga clubs are the humans... they're grown to feed the machines.
Can Crusher
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Moyes has a six year contract. That's so funny.
Funny how nobody is making fun of Pardew's long contract this season. Thank you Moyes.
Damn, this almost made me feel sorry for Michael Bay. So cringe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4rMy1iA268
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4rMy1iA268
Arsenal have 5 english players that consistently play. Similar to Liverpool
Wilshere, Gibbs, Theo, Ox, Jenkinson
Gerrard, Johnson, Sturridge, Sterling, Henderson.
Freewheelin'
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All of those players start for Liverpool though, Ox and Jenko don't start for us.
Arsenal have improved lately. Numbers are up. Liverpool's English players play more for the national team though, I'd imagine.
Definitely better than City though, their first choice 11 has 1 English starter, I think.... and they'll probably win the league, so can't say they're wrong.
Definitely better than City though, their first choice 11 has 1 English starter, I think.... and they'll probably win the league, so can't say they're wrong.
Current Liverpool players have more caps because of Gerrard.
Wilshere, Theo and Ox have 63 caps among the 3 of them.
Sterling, Henderson and Sturridge have 17 caps among the 3 of them.
Don't see how that changes the conversation. Ox doesnt start because he is hurt and was behind Theo. Jenkinson because he is behind Sagna. They still feature and are still good english players for the future.
We have 1 English starter too. Mike Williamson. GOAT.
Freewheelin'
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Well because they aren't starters. It's like saying Chelsea have Bertrand when they don't use him lol, I wouldn't really count him or I wouldn't count Richards really for City.
Why not? They are English. The conversation was English players for those teams.
Bertrand isn't really comparable because we use the Ox. We also use Jenkinson.
Ox has had 60 appearances for Arsenal before turning 20. Jenkinson 49 at the age of 21. They aren't rotting on the bench.
He said "Those 4 clubs I mentioned have usually had a pretty solid base of England players in their side, purchased or otherwise."
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Eh I would just see it as starters. They aren't rotting but if you look at first teams that Arsenal would put out every single week if they could ensure everyone would be 100 percent fit then they would have three English starters. But I would say four because Ramsey is at least British.
Oh well. Doesn't matter. Who cares, they are English and part of our squad, that is good. I was just talking about starters.
Fair enough.
Liverpool could include Kelly and Flanagan if Arsenal include Ox and Jenkinson as well.
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I find it highly amusing how Chelsea are 'punishing' Liverpool for not playing Moses, firstly just for the sheer ridiculous nature of the thing, but secondly as the actual punishment is not letting Liverpool buy a rank average LB from them. It's a fucking reward in my book.
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I find it highly amusing how Chelsea are 'punishing' Liverpool for not playing Moses, firstly just for the sheer ridiculous nature of the thing, but secondly as the actual punishment is not letting Liverpool buy a rank average LB from them. It's a fucking reward in my book.
Perfect Blue
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We've got Terry, Cahill, and fat Frank. We're doing our part.
What is Cole, chopped liver?
We're actually fairly loaded with young English talent. They're just not as good as Brazilians so they get loaned out....permanently.
Perfect Blue
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Knew I was forgetting someone, so sleepy.What is Cole, chopped liver?
We're actually fairly loaded with young English talent. They're just not as good as Brazilians so they get loaned out....permanently.
Can't wait next year when our players from Vitesse/Chelsea Jr. + other clubs come back.Also, we desperately need Van Ginkel back. I don't know how much longer we can last with a shaky defensive mid line.
This is how I looked after Kun's goal too.
http://instagram.com/p/i2wPkSP3tO/
THANKS! What a come back!!
http://instagram.com/p/i2wPkSP3tO/
THANKS! What a come back!!
Knew I was forgetting someone, so sleepy.
Also, we desperately need Van Ginkel back. I don't know how much longer we can last with a shaky defensive mid line.
Can't see Van Ginkel playing any further part this season. Even when he recovers, it will be the deep end of the season where we will (hopefully) be contending for honours and it would be asking a lot to throw him into the fray.
Wish Terry would be going to Brazil. He has been very good this season
Perfect Blue
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Unfortunately, you're probably right.
This just makes me want Guarin even more or another player that can play box to box.flintstryker
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Yeah I was thinking Terry was past it last season but he's been fantastic with the return of Mou.
Wonder if Chalobah will get some minutes in the sup ties when he's back.
Chalobah is never going to end up playing for Chelsea.
It's like Stephen Ireland is head of R+D.
wtf. is this a post from the future?
I'm not familiar with this gentleman, other than the fact that he plays for Stoke, but I take it he's not what you would call a beacon of intelligence.
The future is nao.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWEDtFjjJEY
flintstryker
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but even in The Matrix there was 'The One' Bundesliga has jack at this point
An oxymoron I'm afraid. All Antonio Contes are sexual.
Lambda Pie
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i really like the time i'm spending with one. even obvious cross gen stuff like FIFA 14 demo and AC4 look great.
Lambda Pie
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decent player, our squad is filled with people upfront, he barely gets chances now, let alone once Salvio returns.
loan or buy?
Buy. We're battling Ajax and Swansea for his signature, so...
Lambda Pie
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if the price is right, between £8 and £12 million, go for it.
Zabo don't do this to yourself babyOkay, so this probably won't happen. But if it happens ... There are rumors that Fiorentina might go after Quagliarella now that Rossi is out for 3 months. You know who Marry is going to ask for in return ...
Cuadrado.
We only buy from Atalanta and Udinese at this time of the year.
Cuadrado's half from Udinese
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