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football thread 13/14 |ot12| last roll of the dive

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Yurt

il capo silenzioso
A player with Verona came 2nd in 86

Igor won it with Dynamo Kyiv.

a few players from the Danish league

and countless others from foreign leagues


pls FIFA
 

Scum

Junior Member
A player with Verona came 2nd in 86

Igor won it with Dynamo Kyiv.

a few players from the Danish league

and countless others from foreign leagues all over the world


pls FIFA

Unless old Man Sepp gives it up Yurt, we're all doomed. :-/
 

pulga

Banned
POGBAAAAAAAAAAAA

Don't want the twat.

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oh i cant

united gaf never change

nites guys
 

subtles

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Interesting that Soldado and Negredo are both the same age and have identical goal scoring records in La Liga.

In the PL one is the butt of many jokes while the other is put on a pedestal.

Who'd have thought?
 

GQman2121

Banned
Seems like Matic is all but done which is nice.

With De Bruyne reportedly already in Germany just waiting for his physical, it's going to be interesting to see who else we get linked with in the next two weeks.

Guarin is the rumor that just won't go away, but I don't even think he adds anything with Matic now in the team.

Van Ginkel could be back training by the end of March, so he should factor in at some point too. News on his recovery has gone kind of quiet though.

We're carrying a lot of young players currently in reserves and on loan. I just don't want these kids to get lost and end up as the next Matic, or worse....Pogba. We don't exactly have a great track record with the young players we invest in.
 

Timurid

Member
Seems like Matic is all but done which is nice.

With De Bruyne reportedly already in Germany just waiting for his physical, it's going to be interesting to see who else we get linked with in the next two weeks.

Guarin is the rumor that just won't go away, but I don't even think he adds anything with Matic now in the team.

Van Ginkel could be back training by the end of March, so he should factor in at some point too. News on his recovery has gone kind of quiet though.

We're carrying a lot of young players currently in reserves and on loan. I just don't want these kids to get lost and end up as the next Matic, or worse....Pogba. We don't exactly have a great track record with the young players we invest in.
And Hazard coming to PSG.
 

Scum

Junior Member
Interesting that Soldado and Negredo are both the same age and have identical goal scoring records in La Liga.

In the PL one is the butt of many jokes while the other is put on a pedestal.

Who'd have thought?

Subtle, pls. Be nice. Negredo's done well so far.
 

Showaddy

Member
Interesting that Soldado and Negredo are both the same age and have identical goal scoring records in La Liga.

In the PL one is the butt of many jokes while the other is put on a pedestal.

Who'd have thought?

Be interesting to see what would have happened if their team situations were reversed though. Negredo being a physical beast helps him a lot in the EPL but pretty much all of Spurs attacking players were struggling before December and they're only starting to really improve since December.
 
From the mouth of Platini himself

But no one listens.

Paolo Rossi won it for scoring six goals in 3 games in 1982.

Ugh... Thankfully since the award is for best player, not team.

Most importantly he scored 6 in 11 games during the World Cup of 1982. That includes an hat trick against then reigning champion Brazil. He had come from a 2 year ban. and won the WC 82 Golden Boot, Golden Ball and WC Title with Italy.

What that tells me is how important the World Cups tended to be. These days multiple leagues are worldwide known, followed by hundreds of millions. The Champions League popularity cannot be understated too. Teams and players alike are followed twice every week, echoing throughout Europe and the world. That goes for players and managers too.

It's great that the best player doesn't have to belong to the best team, because they aren't always synonymous. What bothers me however is that as is, it very much feels like a popularity contest, with names popping up over others simply because they are a bigger brand. Ibrahimovic for example, clearly had a more impressive year than the likes of Neymar and Iniesta,
 
Seems like Matic is all but done which is nice.

With De Bruyne reportedly already in Germany just waiting for his physical, it's going to be interesting to see who else we get linked with in the next two weeks.

Guarin is the rumor that just won't go away, but I don't even think he adds anything with Matic now in the team.

Van Ginkel could be back training by the end of March, so he should factor in at some point too. News on his recovery has gone kind of quiet though.

We're carrying a lot of young players currently in reserves and on loan. I just don't want these kids to get lost and end up as the next Matic, or worse....Pogba. We don't exactly have a great track record with the young players we invest in.

I hope Van Ginkel can come back before the end of the season. I was looking forward to seeing him. Maybe Guarin would be useful if we end up getting rid of Lamps, Mikel and Essien at the end of the season. I'm interested in which striker we get in at the end of the season, I am assuming we will wait till after the World Cup and get someone new. Next season will be Lukaku, Torres and new ST I guess. I heard we were also being linked with Zouma again so that could be interesting!

And Hazard coming to PSG.

:lol fuck off Timmy.
 
A player with Verona came 2nd in 86

Igor won it with Dynamo Kyiv.

a few players from the Danish league

and countless others from foreign leagues


pls FIFA

back when the champions league was the European Cup. Now all the best players in the world play in about 20 teams across five leagues. And anyone who doesn't, soon will.

I think Gab Marcotti should be the only one who should pick the the best player in the world.
 

GorillaJu

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Halp

I had a student ask me a question and I'm stumped as to why I've come up with his answer.

They gave me three sentences

1) I go to school in a coat that matches my uniform

2) The coat matches the sweater

3) A sweater is easy to match other clothes.

The first two are fine but sentence 3 sounds incorrect to me without "with" after "match", as in "A sweater is easy to match with other clothes".

My problem is: why does it require "with" while the other two do not? The best explanation I could come up with is that in the first two examples, the sweater is the actor in the action of matching, however "easy to" in the third sentence indicates that a third party is acting out the action of matching two items, and that's what the difference is. Since a sweater is inanimate and incapable of differentiating between something being easy or difficult to do, it requires someone to do the action.

My problem is that I can't come up with a clear explanation of why this third party being present means I have to add "with", and it's making me doubt that line of thinking entirely. I'm sure there's a clear rule about this that I'm missing. But I'll be damned if I can figure it out.
 
Halp

I had a student ask me a question and I'm stumped as to why I've come up with his answer.

They gave me three sentences

1) I go to school in a coat that matches my uniform

2) The coat matches the sweater

3) A sweater is easy to match other clothes.

The first two are fine but sentence 3 sounds incorrect to me without "with" after "match", as in "A sweater is easy to match with other clothes".

My problem is: why does it require "with" while the other two do not? The best explanation I could come up with is that in the first two examples, the sweater is the actor in the action of matching, however "easy to" in the third sentence indicates that a third party is acting out the action of matching two items, and that's what the difference is. Since a sweater is inanimate and incapable of differentiating between something being easy or difficult to do, it requires someone to do the action.

My problem is that I can't come up with a clear explanation of why this third party being present means I have to add "with", and it's making me doubt that line of thinking entirely. I'm sure there's a clear rule about this that I'm missing. But I'll be damned if I can figure it out.

for me it seems a case of singular/plural. Clothes is plural so it needs to be "match with" The other two are singular so you don't need with, but you caan still use it.
 
Halp

I had a student ask me a question and I'm stumped as to why I've come up with his answer.

They gave me three sentences

1) I go to school in a coat that matches my uniform

2) The coat matches the sweater

3) A sweater is easy to match other clothes.

The first two are fine but sentence 3 sounds incorrect to me without "with" after "match", as in "A sweater is easy to match with other clothes".

My problem is: why does it require "with" while the other two do not? The best explanation I could come up with is that in the first two examples, the sweater is the actor in the action of matching, however "easy to" in the third sentence indicates that a third party is acting out the action of matching two items, and that's what the difference is. Since a sweater is inanimate and incapable of differentiating between something being easy or difficult to do, it requires someone to do the action.

My problem is that I can't come up with a clear explanation of why this third party being present means I have to add "with", and it's making me doubt that line of thinking entirely. I'm sure there's a clear rule about this that I'm missing. But I'll be damned if I can figure it out.

I was like wat :lol

So I asked Wilbs, he just did an English language teaching course at uni.

His reply:


Nah he says something like your explnation seems pretty good, like because it is an animate object doing the matching you can make that distinction? He says obviously uyou're the expert and he obviously doesn't know anywhere near as much as you, but if your explanation is that in the third one its apparent someone is matching the sweater to the other clothes or hyperthetically so, whereas the others the matching has already been made? idk lol im lost

oh shit plural might be right
 

GorillaJu

Member
for me it seems a case of singular/plural. Clothes is plural so it needs to be "match with" The other two are singular so you don't need with.

"These shirts match those pants"

Oh fuck I think I just got it. It's because "match" and "match (with)" are just two different verbs entirely. "Match" is transitive, "match with" intransitive. I'm almost positive that's it.
 

Fintan

Member
Halp

I had a student ask me a question and I'm stumped as to why I've come up with his answer.

They gave me three sentences

1) I go to school in a coat that matches my uniform

2) The coat matches the sweater

3) A sweater is easy to match other clothes.

The first two are fine but sentence 3 sounds incorrect to me without "with" after "match", as in "A sweater is easy to match with other clothes".

My problem is: why does it require "with" while the other two do not? The best explanation I could come up with is that in the first two examples, the sweater is the actor in the action of matching, however "easy to" in the third sentence indicates that a third party is acting out the action of matching two items, and that's what the difference is. Since a sweater is inanimate and incapable of differentiating between something being easy or difficult to do, it requires someone to do the action.

My problem is that I can't come up with a clear explanation of why this third party being present means I have to add "with", and it's making me doubt that line of thinking entirely. I'm sure there's a clear rule about this that I'm missing. But I'll be damned if I can figure it out.

Your explanation sounds right. If I'm the one matching two other things, it's "I matched my sweater with my jeans." But if the sweater is the thing that matches, it's "My sweater matches my jeans."

Also the phrasing of the third sentence seems a little awkward generally. I think I'd say something like, "A sweater easily matches other clothes." But I don't really know what I'm talking about.
 
"These shirts match those pants"

Oh fuck I think I just got it. It's because "match" and "match (with)" are just two different verbs entirely. "Match" is transitive, "match with" intransitive. I'm almost positive that's it.


Haha, I have no idea about language. I just pull shit out of my arse and if someone questions its I say something like "its irregular" or "I am from London, the home of the language, what we say goes" When i tried thinking of examples i realised my singular/plural was not working
 

Tegris

Member
"These shirts match those pants"

Oh fuck I think I just got it. It's because "match" and "match (with)" are just two different verbs entirely. "Match" is transitive, "match with" intransitive. I'm almost positive that's it.

I'm not sure that's right – "to match (with)" is still transitive because it requires an object (in this case, "other clothes"). I think the issue might not be so much that "with" is required in the third example, but rather that the preposition can be dropped in the first and second sentences, which don't use the infinitive form of the verb. I'm not a language scholar, mind you.
 

GorillaJu

Member
Yeah Fintan it's the right path and I came to a similar conclusion - it's essentially passive voice. "A is easy to be matched with b" or "A matches with b easily."

Maybe it's because to "match with" is to pair two things together, where as "match" is simply to go together well naturally.
 

GorillaJu

Member
I'm not sure that's right – "to match (with)" is still transitive because it requires an object (in this case, "other clothes"). I think the issue might not be so much that "with" is required in the third example, but rather that the preposition can be dropped in the first and second sentences, which don't use the infinitive form of the verb. I'm not a language scholar, mind you.

Yeah you're right and I went back on that idea because I came to the same counter example.

Thanks for the help guys I'll figure it out eventually.
 

Barzul

Member
Trying to theorize how the top BPL teams can improve in the next couple of seasons. I'm bored


If United somehow manage to get Pogba, Garay and Shaw. The whole dynamic of their team suddenly changes. I'd suggest Greizmann too for the wing. Ditch Kagawa, Nani and Cleverly (should fetch a good rate because English tax), and mold Januzaj to take over from Rooney. United certainly have the money to do something like this, only takes the balls the see it true. That's about 115-120m in transfer fees right there. Pogba 45m (swallow your pride on this Barca did with Cesc paying dividends), Garay 22m, Shaw 27m, Greizmann 20m. The next summer go for Strootman to replace Carrick's role as main starter, sign an RVP replacement depending for main striker. If United are serious they'd need only about 2 seasons of rebuilding to be world beaters.


On the Arsenal side of things we've already laid out the plan for the future when we signed those 5 British players on long term deals. Key signings to be made are for our left wing, which can be filled by Draxler, striker this one we'll have to be more cautious with and I really have no idea who to sign here but they have to be able to counterattack at speed like Henry could. CB to complement and eventually take over from Per someone like Zouma. We'll also need a CM as Arteta's isn't getting any younger, I'm thinking Lars Bender here. This can be done over 3 seasons. We will probably lose Walcott in this period as I don't see us offering him over 100k. We'll also need to add a new RB and if Coleman at Everton continues his form, it might just be him.

Chelsea are probably the best built team for the future as they still have Lukaku and Cortouis to return. They only need a striker and will probably get Costa or Falcao if Monaco decide to sell. Have Matic coming in to replace Lampard and most of their team is young enough. They'll need to add a CB to replace Terry soon enough and a new LB can see them competing with United for Shaw.

Man City's team is almost perfect, like I have no clue how you improve that team other than sign a better goalkeeper and probably a new defensive coach is in order. Also need to think on a Yaya Toure replacement (good luck).

I'll need to think on Liverpool, as they need imo the most work and have the least resources (ability to attract players + money). So their signings are a lot more difficult to make.
 

Scum

Junior Member
Is anyone here interested in the definitive version of Tomb Raider on the PS4/Xbox One? I hope not. Graphical update for full price. lol
 

GorillaJu

Member
United need much more work than Liverpool. We have the best strike partnership in the league and a competent midfield. We need reinforcements in the same place United do (full backs, CM and a wide attacker), but without those reinforcements we're still in a stronger position in all of midfield, attack and defense.

Is anyone here interested in the definitive version of Tomb Raider on the PS4/Xbox One? I hope not. Graphical update for full price. lol

Nah. I didn't finish the game and I'm personally astonished at the way it was praised as one of the better games last year. It had few redeeming qualities in my book.
 

Scum

Junior Member
Barzul, pls. Until the day Moyesey drops his wing play, those players will be off no use. He'll probably stick Pogba in an AML role. D:

Nah. I didn't finish the game and I'm personally astonished at the way it was praised as one of the better games last year. It had few redeeming qualities in my book.

It's a cinematic experience. That's what gaming is nowadays. D:
 

TeegsD

Member
Ugh, not sure how I feel about the rumors suggesting Nani would come on loan to Sporting. On one hand, hes got the talent but he still just isnt consistent enough to warrant a spot in the club. Then again, would be nice to have him available for rotation.
 
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