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Football Thread 13/14 |OT19| It's a good sign when its boring
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Vivalaraza
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First things first: blast Norwich off the park.
Who do you want that looks gettable?
Can't believe people out there want Giggs long term. Especially when we have no idea what kind of manager he is.
I'd take Van Gaal. Netherlands won't last long in the World Cup anyway
Not sure about Simione. If we were to give a contract to any young manager, give them 2-3 years, let them prove they deserve any after that.
Vivalaraza
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Shinji is finally going to be freed.
If only Robin was fit. Fucking hell it would be top.
The "he would start in july" argument is nonsense for me. Even if it wasn't a World Cup year he'd be appointed just a week or two earlier most likely. the pre-season fixtures don't even start until July. Plus in a year where there is a tournament the big time players are going to get a week or two off after the cup so it's not like a manager would be able to use them in fixtures right away.
Why would you restrict any of them to a more defensive role or out on the wing? Wilshere Ramsey and Ozil cant all play together and I would say Wilshere is a better defender than Cesc. Hell, Arteta Ozil and Ramsey doesn't work and Arteta is a better defender than Cesc without a doubt.
The chance of Fabregas coming back is 0.
If Barca are banned from transfers they will be unable to replace him and even if they aren't Xavi is getting old and Sergi Roberto is not close to being ready to play a full season.
If we were going to sign Fabregas it had to have been last summer.
Giggs will play Rooney and Welbeck tops. Mata and Valencia wide. Carrick and Cleverley midfield. Smalling RB. Jones and Rio CB's. Evra LB.
4-4-2.
Finding a DM who is good enough and available is pretty difficult.
We play with a fairly high defensive line anyway with a packed midfield so it doesn't feel that necessary.
KidA Seven
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Have you watched Arsenal this season against any above average team?
We arguably need a DM more than a striker,
Vivalaraza
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1) KloppWho do you want that looks gettable?
Can't believe people out there want Giggs long term. Especially when we have no idea what kind of manager he is.
I'd take Van Gaal. Netherlands won't last long in the World Cup anyway
Not sure about Simione. If we were to give a contract to any young manager, give them 2-3 years, let them prove they deserve any after that.
2) Simeone
3) De Boer
Those are the 3 I would be delighted with. Klopp isn't going to come, I don't see it. Some of the English media seem to think he could be swayed but I don't see what they are basing it on. So that leaves us with either of the other two. De Boer might be too big a risk...so Simeone is the one I'd be happy with. Although that too has it's issues.
The thing is I want a manager with a philosophy who will come in and begin to reshape the squad and the club. However, if we can't get any of the above...and that's a real possibility, I suppose someone in the mould of LvG is fine. I just worry about him, I don't know anything about him but he sounds insane. I feel like we need a calming influence right now. If the LvG + De Boer thing is true though...I would be happy with that.
He could be appointed at the start of June otherwise. So that means 6 weeks later.
There is a lot he can do in those 6 weeks. He won't be thinking about United until the end of the WC. It'll be a fleeting thought.
He needs to come in an assess the squad, his staff, the club staff, think about transfers. There's fucking loads he can do that 6 months wouldn't be enough for.
We're 14-15 million up on transfers this season, they need to go after remy or bony, sign Barry on a free and play the loan market again.
Frank the Great
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Guys.
If United sign Allegri, I think my life would be complete.
If United sign Allegri, I think my life would be complete.
DM not going to help much if Sagna and Monreal play the way they did in those games with the tactics that twit Wenger deployed.
Still flabbergasted Wenger played Ox and Arteta against Matic and Luiz and told our fullbacks it was a good idea to recklessly bomb forward? Fucking cunt. I've never been so pissed off as I was that day.
Top 4 for next year:
City: Nailed on. Squad is too strong, such that even though they've, in my opinion, under performed a bit this year they're still in with a shout of the title. Will definitely strengthen over the summer and this was only Pellegrini's first year.
Chelsea: Also nailed on I think. Rock solid back four that should continue into next year. They're bound to spend money where it's needed and pickup a quality striker. At times this year they've looked slow and ponderous in possession, so I don't think someone like Diego Costa is the answer to all their problems, but I can't see them missing out with their ability and experience. I can only see them missing out if Mourinho falls out with dressing room, but considering Lampard, Terry, Cech etc are there that won't happen.
Liverpool: Will probably get top 4 but won't put together a solid title challenge. Rodgers is a great manager and has managed to get the absolute maximum out of his players this year to capitalise on other teams' inconsistency. But I can't see that happening for a whole season again, there has to be a point where their form dips. Be it injuries, not being able to out score everyone, or just burn out. Suarez and Sturridge haven't been that good recently and they've needed the rub of the green to get results so maybe it's already happening. European football won't make that much difference, they can sign a few players and get through it fine. If United and Arsenal strengthen I think they might find themselves in a fight.
Arsenal: At risk if this summer doesn't go well for them. Need players and the attitude of the squad needs to change, they collapse in spring every year. Their problems are well documented but they have a very good first XI.
Everton: No chance. Lukaku, Barry and Deulofeu leaving. Lack money to replace them and keep up with everyone else. Strain of the Europa league. They are close this year because everyone else is having a bad year and I can't see that in 14/15. Will finish 6th or 7th.
Spurs: Appointing the correct manager is vital. They'll spend less than everyone else bar Everton and their squad is arguably only the 6th strongest out of this lot on paper. Can only see them getting in if Arsenal and United have bad years again, not likely. Will finish 6th or 7th.
United: Would rank them alongside Liverpool. The squad's good enough to be in the top 4 this year, under Fergie I'm confident they'd have put in a title challenge as good as anyone else in the league. Moyes was shit but he's history and it looks like the club has money to spend. You'd think no matter what happens they can't be worse and they're only 10 points adrift.
City: Nailed on. Squad is too strong, such that even though they've, in my opinion, under performed a bit this year they're still in with a shout of the title. Will definitely strengthen over the summer and this was only Pellegrini's first year.
Chelsea: Also nailed on I think. Rock solid back four that should continue into next year. They're bound to spend money where it's needed and pickup a quality striker. At times this year they've looked slow and ponderous in possession, so I don't think someone like Diego Costa is the answer to all their problems, but I can't see them missing out with their ability and experience. I can only see them missing out if Mourinho falls out with dressing room, but considering Lampard, Terry, Cech etc are there that won't happen.
Liverpool: Will probably get top 4 but won't put together a solid title challenge. Rodgers is a great manager and has managed to get the absolute maximum out of his players this year to capitalise on other teams' inconsistency. But I can't see that happening for a whole season again, there has to be a point where their form dips. Be it injuries, not being able to out score everyone, or just burn out. Suarez and Sturridge haven't been that good recently and they've needed the rub of the green to get results so maybe it's already happening. European football won't make that much difference, they can sign a few players and get through it fine. If United and Arsenal strengthen I think they might find themselves in a fight.
Arsenal: At risk if this summer doesn't go well for them. Need players and the attitude of the squad needs to change, they collapse in spring every year. Their problems are well documented but they have a very good first XI.
Everton: No chance. Lukaku, Barry and Deulofeu leaving. Lack money to replace them and keep up with everyone else. Strain of the Europa league. They are close this year because everyone else is having a bad year and I can't see that in 14/15. Will finish 6th or 7th.
Spurs: Appointing the correct manager is vital. They'll spend less than everyone else bar Everton and their squad is arguably only the 6th strongest out of this lot on paper. Can only see them getting in if Arsenal and United have bad years again, not likely. Will finish 6th or 7th.
United: Would rank them alongside Liverpool. The squad's good enough to be in the top 4 this year, under Fergie I'm confident they'd have put in a title challenge as good as anyone else in the league. Moyes was shit but he's history and it looks like the club has money to spend. You'd think no matter what happens they can't be worse and they're only 10 points adrift.
KidA Seven
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5wjhoDpULM
On the subject of youth, it will be interesting to see what happens at Cardiff. Mats went there only because Ole was the manager. If Ole gets relegated, there is a possibility of him being sacked. I can't see Mats being too happy playing in the Championship without Ole, especially now that he's been impressive in the PL. Some clubs will surely monitor his situation.
He's headed to Spurs.
Would literally take anyone over Wenger. He has to go, the man is bordering on senile. He has no idea of tactics, he is stubborn in his batshit beliefs, his training methods (and yes that includes doping which is primarily focused on recovery) are massively outdated.
His approach to the game relies on his players organising themselves and when you had competents (Bergkamp, Vieira, Campbell, Cole, Ljungberg, Pires) it was possible - and even then you have to question what that team would have accomplished with someone who tried to organise and adapt for each team they played against. I would say the more we know about him today the more it becomes clear he grossly underachieved with that team.
Van Gaal would have been the perfect replacement, shame he wont be coming now and the Manc's will be transformed. Would have shoved a rocket up the backsides of these soft cunts and had them drilled. Van Gaal would probably have chopped Giroud's cock off, no scratch that, Van Gaal would never have signed someone so fucking horrendously shit.
The team suffers from laziness, indirection and a lack of discipline. It all stems from the manager. He has to go. He has been allowed to stay for 4yrs too long already. No other team in the league would tolerate the shambolic performances this man has presided over in the past 8yrs. He was hounded out of Monaco with them bottom of the league. The fact that Hill-Wood, who is a total cvnt, and the gormless fuckwit Gazidis say he has a job for life just confirms the depths of mediocrity the club has plunged to.
If Liverpool win the league - and fair play to the Scousers they look like they will, it's just another massive indictment on Wenger's cowardice with respect to competing with the petrodollar clubs, an excuse he used to conceive his pathetic '4th place trophy' BS.
He does not deserve another contract. The question of who will replace him is largely irrelevant since anyone with any comprehension of tactics will be a vast improvement.
You jest but the ignorance of the majority of fans to the criticality of a good PED regime in professional sport at the top-level is what is comedic.
His approach to the game relies on his players organising themselves and when you had competents (Bergkamp, Vieira, Campbell, Cole, Ljungberg, Pires) it was possible - and even then you have to question what that team would have accomplished with someone who tried to organise and adapt for each team they played against. I would say the more we know about him today the more it becomes clear he grossly underachieved with that team.
Van Gaal would have been the perfect replacement, shame he wont be coming now and the Manc's will be transformed. Would have shoved a rocket up the backsides of these soft cunts and had them drilled. Van Gaal would probably have chopped Giroud's cock off, no scratch that, Van Gaal would never have signed someone so fucking horrendously shit.
The team suffers from laziness, indirection and a lack of discipline. It all stems from the manager. He has to go. He has been allowed to stay for 4yrs too long already. No other team in the league would tolerate the shambolic performances this man has presided over in the past 8yrs. He was hounded out of Monaco with them bottom of the league. The fact that Hill-Wood, who is a total cvnt, and the gormless fuckwit Gazidis say he has a job for life just confirms the depths of mediocrity the club has plunged to.
If Liverpool win the league - and fair play to the Scousers they look like they will, it's just another massive indictment on Wenger's cowardice with respect to competing with the petrodollar clubs, an excuse he used to conceive his pathetic '4th place trophy' BS.
He does not deserve another contract. The question of who will replace him is largely irrelevant since anyone with any comprehension of tactics will be a vast improvement.
You jest but the ignorance of the majority of fans to the criticality of a good PED regime in professional sport at the top-level is what is comedic.
What are our other options in midfield? Flamini and Arteta get pinned and can't get the ball forward.
Agree on the fullbacks. Monreal is a shit defender.
With the current formation the team plays the whole midfield has to put in a shift defensively.
I go to home games and I really don't see a whole lot wrong defensively. Those heavy defeats away had more to do with the mental fragility of the team than the formation. I would gladly take a DM but there aren't many good ones available who would sign for Arsenal and I feel Flamini does a solid job there when called upon.
And you think Fabregas is going to put in a defensive shift.
Our midfield is out muscled against every top team. They get thrown around like rag dolls.
I'd rather have schneiderlin ramsey ozil than fabregas ramsey ozil.
Vivalaraza
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God I'm so annoyed we let Daehli go, so easily aswell. I don't know if he would have made it to being a first team regular but he would have had a good chance.
Fucking stupid club has let far too much talent slip away.
Andreas has been properly disappointing this year. He needs to do very well next year or that's gonna be it for him. Not even sure he's ready for a loan...or a loan that would be much use. What do you think?
DM would at least be strong enough to shield the ball when in possession instead of getting bossed around by the slighest amount of pressing. I'm done with Arteta. Good player, served us well, Areta (pen) for POTY but he is way too weak to be playing in the middle of the park, especially if he's going to be the only defensive-minded midfielder.
The full backs, ugh. Just horrid stuff. That's the thing that really pisses me off. We lost the Chelsea game the exact same way we lost the Liverpool game. how fucking difficult is it to give these players simple instructions? I still have no idea if Monreal is a good defender or not, but Sagna at least should know better. I've got to believe that shit comes down to coaching. it just has to.
Broder Salsa
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It's people like you that have been chasing Owen Coyle when things were going well for him, Michael Laudrup when things were going well for him and now started on Roberrto Martinez despite all those managers not being good enough or largely unproven.
While I agree a change is needed I totally disagree anyone would be an improvement. In fact Rodgers would do a job, Mourinho would do a job but any of the rest would be a downgrade.You hire the wrong manager you get United and Moyes, remember that.
100% on Wenger. Monreal knows how to defend, everyone in La Liga says the same and he's shown it with us as well. He struggles with transition though, changing from attack to defending and it screws up his positioning. When he's playing he should be defending as a priority and he's fine but bombing forward and getting back doesn't work for him. Sagna too old, doesn't have the legs to do that every week so should either be rotated or told to stay back more, especially against top teams away from home where you know they'll attack.
Arteta sucks. I could go on for ages about why but he's a squad player only now, imo and should not start big games anymore.
I guess I'll post a revised version of my arse XI 14/15:
Hopefully:
---------Szcz---------
----Mert----Kos----
Aurier---------Gibbs
--Matuidi/Bender--
Wall--Wilsh--Ram
---------Ozil----------
---Costa/Mandz--
Likely:
---------Szcz---------
----Mert----Kos----
Jenko---------Gibbs
----Wilsh--Arteta--
Santi--Ram--Wall
---------Ozil---------
------Bendtner-----
Hopefully:
---------Szcz---------
----Mert----Kos----
Aurier---------Gibbs
--Matuidi/Bender--
Wall--Wilsh--Ram
---------Ozil----------
---Costa/Mandz--
Likely:
---------Szcz---------
----Mert----Kos----
Jenko---------Gibbs
----Wilsh--Arteta--
Santi--Ram--Wall
---------Ozil---------
------Bendtner-----
Ingeniero
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Broder Salsa
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How can you even hope for Costa, completely out of your reach.
Are they going to change the rules just for us and allow us to field 12 players?
smh
Nah, we have money and we will have silverware.
What will you have?
Garay and Jones/Evans. Pls.
He's crazy for 4-2-3-1. No point in even posting formations anymore if comes in.
#KloppoIn
It hasn't been like that at home. Our midfield dominated City's in the second half at home and they are no mugs.
KidA Seven
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He's not ready for a loan. He needs to prove he can be consistent at the u21 level before that. All of the players out on loan did that. Thorpe, Vermijl, Lingard, etc.. did that at a much older age, but it was something they had to show before going out on loan. This season James Wilson has been consistent at u21 level which is why I think he will be given a loan next season.
I don't think he's up to being a first team regular if he wants to play behind the striker. With Januzaj, Mata, and Shinji, he's shit out of luck. He is way too inconsistent and even on his best days, he doesn't create much. His best matches consist of him nabbing a goal from outside the box or something. When he is outside the box and has the ball, he has excellent footwork, but only uses that to shoot. A number 10 needs to create. He should start playing deeper where he won't need to be the main creative force. Having said that, he could be a late bloomer and start to pick up steam within the next 2 seasons. It's never wise to write off a talented player that early.
Mats would have had a better chance at making at United simply because he operates out wide. He also affected matches more regularly and was a more intelligent player.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yCLzQ5PJXc
That was his recent match. He's played like that in virtually every appearance so far. Ole has just been protecting him from the same pressure Adnan had earlier this season.
What's Guus up up these days?
Everyone plays better at home. Unfortunately when we go away we give up 20 goals to 4 teams.
Why do you keep saying Bendtner is likely? He isn't even training with the team any more. His contract is up this summer.
Sviatoslav
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Bendtner doesn't count as a player, silly.
Broder Salsa
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More money. A none senile manager who has just won Champions League. Doping.
Sviatoslav
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Taking over the Dutch national team after the world cup.
Maureen had his breakdown this weekend. He is a broken man.
Ramsey on the wing? That team sucks.
Broder Salsa
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No this is a broken man
Nah, he is rising like a Phoenix in the last image.
We all know Abromovich is going to get tired of Maureen and send him packing. And then you will be calling up Di Matteo.
I saw it. Sensational.
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