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Football Thread 13/14 |OT19| It's a good sign when its boring
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English Interview with Van Gaal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cgAKZkX_yE
LabouredSubterfuge
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Clashes with Rooney and the other mopey cunts? Fine by me. Squads getting a clear out as it is. Adapt or die cunts.
Oh c'mon. Many of us remember his phenomenal squad at Ajax in the mid 90ies and his base work at Barca and Bayern. His eye for talents is unmatched: Xavi, Iniesta, Müller, Alaba, Seedorf, Kluivert, etc. to name only a handful of world class players. He was the coach that came closest to the voetbal total idea of Cruyff and its no coincidence that Ajax, Barca and Bayern dominated several years in football because of his influence. He is an ass, yes, but a highly skilled ass.
LabouredSubterfuge
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I like your words. I want to hug them.
I think your main problem is Levy himself. I can see him an astute business man, but frankly, you need to actually use the talents you have in disposal. The fact that the likes of Huddlestone, Livermore, Holtby are doing bang up job for other clubs is just frustrating. The players are there, you need a manager to fully play them in a coherent way.
and yes, Moyes is
not
Him favoring youth is probably his best quality but I think he should have gotten better results with both Bayern and Barca.
Van Gaal could easily end up as a colossal, Moyes-level failure once again.
But that isn't really saying much as every manager would have that caveat sans a few unavailable managers like Mourinho or Ancelotti. The fact is with Klopp and Simeone almost certainly not interested LvG is the most accomplished option available.
edit: the youth talent thing is a silly point to bring up, it's not too hard to pick out top talents when you are dealing with some of the most prolific academies in history like Ajax, Barca and Bayern. Utd's set up, while still decent, is a long way from those guys and they just don't have the players in their youth ranks to suddenly produce a few stars. At best Van Gaal could coax some Flanagan-level successes out of them.
But that isn't really saying much as every manager would have that caveat sans a few unavailable managers like Mourinho or Ancelotti. The fact is with Klopp and Simeone almost certainly not interested LvG is the most accomplished option available.
edit: the youth talent thing is a silly point to bring up, it's not too hard to pick out top talents when you are dealing with some of the most prolific academies in history like Ajax, Barca and Bayern. Utd's set up, while still decent, is a long way from those guys and they just don't have the players in their youth ranks to suddenly produce a few stars. At best Van Gaal could coax some Flanagan-level successes out of them.
I think we'd be foolish to dismiss a manager as good as LVG based on a few dud seasons over his entire career. Even so when he has fucked it, he's helped the future of the club; Bayern, Barca and Ajax all seem to have profited from his work even when he isn't there. Won the league with AZ as well didn't he?
LabouredSubterfuge
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Its overThanks for the happy times Moyes.
You're one of the few I'll accept laughing at us, given that Fergie recommended McLeish on you. Poor fucks.
I want him.
I found his celebration speech with english subs,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm8hE5aU0Ok&feature=related
The man is like an older version of Wilbur
I found his celebration speech with english subs,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm8hE5aU0Ok&feature=related
The man is like an older version of Wilbur
That is true of course and yes, that is the downside with him. He is too proud and stubborn to accept his own failure and does not react at tactical changes. But his methods to improve a squad are good enough for a few seasons to set up a base for sophisticated attacking football.
I think Neville/Carra nailed it re:Spurs on MNF a few weeks back when he questioned what the remit is of a prospective Spurs boss.
Is CL the aim, and anything below that is unacceptable? Is that realistic, especially considering the time it takes to bed in all these foreigner players and the spending power and size of the clubs around them.
Are Spurs a club which are in and around the CL, and being happy with that is enough.
I think there is a huge disparity between what Levy thinks it takes to get and secure regular CL football and what that actually takes to achieve that.
Sacking the manager for not getting CL football is not sustainable. Unless of course we all believe sacking the manger every 1/2 years is somehow healthy.
Is CL the aim, and anything below that is unacceptable? Is that realistic, especially considering the time it takes to bed in all these foreigner players and the spending power and size of the clubs around them.
Are Spurs a club which are in and around the CL, and being happy with that is enough.
I think there is a huge disparity between what Levy thinks it takes to get and secure regular CL football and what that actually takes to achieve that.
Sacking the manager for not getting CL football is not sustainable. Unless of course we all believe sacking the manger every 1/2 years is somehow healthy.
Levy needs to let the "We have to finish fourth, innit!" mentality go away. Everyone wants to see their favourite in CL football, but we're not good enough for it. I think we're better off competing in EL, regardless of what everyone else thinks of it. I'll take 5th in the league, pls. But I'll tell you what though, InterTim will be moidered by my hands if that cunt drives away the likes of Sandro and Lamela.
Baconsaurus Rex
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Really enjoying Dark Souls 2. I spent a lot of my bank holiday playing it.
I could never get into DS1. Have tried 4 or 5 times. But something with the sequel clicked with me. Although that seems contrey to the general online perception that it is a disappointment compared to the first.
I could never get into DS1. Have tried 4 or 5 times. But something with the sequel clicked with me. Although that seems contrey to the general online perception that it is a disappointment compared to the first.
I hope he does our Carling Cup parade next season.
lol. No fucking kidding. He saw a nice 6pts a season when he wrote that letter
I want him.
I found his celebration speech with english subs,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm8hE5aU0Ok&feature=related
The man is like an older version of Wilbur
This is one of the most amazing moments in football, really!
Shatner's Bassoon
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United have made an approach for Allegri.
I want him.
I found his celebration speech with english subs,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm8hE5aU0Ok&feature=related
The man is like an older version of Wilbur
Lets not hire him
He went through 3 clubs with the best youth work and know how to establish it. United could only benefit from this. And make no mistake, no coach could bring you the championship, cup and CL within a year, not with this squad. It takes time to get the team into the top 3 again. Time no manager would get, so regardless who Uniteds new coach is, if the results doesnt meet the expectations, we have another Moyes situation...
Pizza con salsiccia
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Y'all want Van Gaal... you'll get Laurent Blanc.
If only Levy will change it to EL. Jol might still be about...
Of course, you still have Brendan.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Not sure how?
Terbinator
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We've already had LB though.
Does he really? I doubt he had much effect on the famed academies of Ajax or La Masia. Whilst he could bring some of his knowledge to United that kind of thing takes years to filter through. Time, as you mention, is the issue. Both United and LvG know that this would be a short term arrangement. Everything is going to be about the first team, and their success.
Possibly. 'Arry might still be about too.
Martin Jol played for Coventry back in the day, only found that out recently. Mad
He scares Welbeck, Young and Cleverley in to being better than Championship/League 1 tier players
You know what? That exact statement was done when Bayern announced him to replace Klinsmann. While he was sacked after 2 seasons, he somehow worked there and we are still playing his legacy system. Its not that easy for a squad to play tiki taka or fast paced counter if they havent learned the tactical knowledge about positioning and movment in a 4-3-3.
LabouredSubterfuge
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God anything other than the apologetic blandness of Moyes will be beautiful.
Yes. Major lol at the guy who said he didn't accomplish much in the last twenty years. One of the most impressive feats in his career.
He could at least convince the board to invest in a youth centre and competent scouting. Something United wouldnt benefit from the start but in the future. The risk to rely on foreign midfielders for example could be minimized. And true, the goal is to get at least back into the Champions League and play for the championship.
Shatner's Bassoon
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Moyes should pay for a plane with a message to fly over the next United game.
Vivalaraza
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I want him.
I found his celebration speech with english subs,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm8hE5aU0Ok&feature=related
The man is like an older version of Wilbur
oh my god
im sold
FortuneFaded
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There are 5 clubs which everyone would agree that are going to demand CL football and anything less is unacceptable; yet there are only 4 slots. I don't think it is unreasonable for 1 more team to add to the list. If Everton get 4th this season do you really think that the board should accept another decade of top half finishes without CL like they had under the Chosen One?.
TheLucifer
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They've had enough dumbfucks for this season, Giggs will lead them to the 6th place glory just like Seedorf.
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