He's been linked off and on since we played OM a few years ago in the CL. Good signing.
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Football Thread 2012/13 |OT| The Beautiful Game
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The thing about Blur is, they made some great 'normal' Britpop (Parklife) but they also knew how to experiment in a good way (13 and Think Thank). They're the complete package for me.
By the way, talking about great english bands, Enter Shikari is probably one of my favorites
They do make a lot of noise, but not in a good way I'm afraid. Will dodge those guys at a festival I'm attending next week
Thats coz they're gobshites.
They were warned and shut down before.
Their fault they didn't listen.
What happened? :lol
fadetoblack
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Throw Iaquinta on. Seriously. He's fast and strong, so it's easy to get space between you and defenders on the break or after a through ball from Vucinic.
Liverpool fans are a trip. Because City paid X amount for Lescott and United paid Y amount for Rio, Agger is worth Z amount that is greater than both of those numbers because he's better than Lescott and is better at this point than when United bought Rio (their words).
When confronted with this concept being applied to a new striker they buy having to cost over 35m, it's can't we just get over the Andy Carroll saga!?
When confronted with this concept being applied to a new striker they buy having to cost over 35m, it's can't we just get over the Andy Carroll saga!?
They spammed the thread with shite and started attacking posters that didn't post in their thread. Thats why the thread was locked the first time.
They spammed the thread with shit again and it was locked.
KidA Seven
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Them attacking new posters was a joke. It wasn't serious. Some posters took it to heart though.
If Liverpool valued everything in relation to Andy Carroll then City would be looking at £60million for Agger.
You really can't differentiate between the two situations? And what new striker has this concept been applied to?
What happened?
Vivalaraza
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When United bought Rio he was 23. Agger is 27.
Sal - Fergie is a hypocrite. He was willing to pay £30m for Lucy, PSG paid £35m, boo-hoo
Sal - Fergie is a hypocrite. He was willing to pay £30m for Lucy, PSG paid £35m, boo-hoo
There is no difference between the situations because valuations are never a 1 to 1 scenario. Just because United paid €30m for Anderson, it doesn't mean every young MF they buy is worth that amount or more. Situations regarding transfers change.
Agger may very well be "worth more" than Lescott in the open market but just because Lescott cost a certain amount when City was building a club doesn't automatically inflate Agger's value to an amount greater than that especially given his injury history. You can't look at these things in a bubble.
Vivalaraza
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Marwood probably explained that in detail to Liverpool.
They were probably like - "mmm nah, we want £25m."
I disagree somewhat in this instance. Liverpool have every right to say a) Lescott was worth as much to Everton as Agger does to us, so therefore they should cost around the same, and b) Agger is the better player so perhaps a few more million is fair.
It's like Usho was saying last week about Modric. He may not be worth 40m to anyone, but he's worth it to Spurs.
Haha, that's probably true.
Yeah, I definitely get that concept and understand Liverpool's stance -- I think they'd be crazy to sell him personally. I'm just getting a kick out of their deluded fans.
I still want Javi Martinez personally.
Meier I don't know what you expect from fans of any team whose players you're targeting. Your team is going after one of our very best players, and one of the best defenders in Europe. It's not a one-to-one comparison with Lescott, but City's riches must be taken into account here.
If City suddenly want to spend their money more wisely, good for them. But the club and its fans are going to have to accept that they made their own bed.
Michael Laudrup was going on about how since we overpaid for Downing and Carroll, we should overpay for Joe Allen. No one (even himself) believes that's true, surely, but its a bargaining tactic and when the club doesn't want to sell, you're going to hear that phrase come out.
If City suddenly want to spend their money more wisely, good for them. But the club and its fans are going to have to accept that they made their own bed.
Michael Laudrup was going on about how since we overpaid for Downing and Carroll, we should overpay for Joe Allen. No one (even himself) believes that's true, surely, but its a bargaining tactic and when the club doesn't want to sell, you're going to hear that phrase come out.
It'd be different if we were openly looking to get rid of him, but that's not the case, and in this situation the player looks like he's happy to stay. We've set a figure based on what he's worth to us. Seems fair enough to me.
Hes off to Juventus imo.
United wont offer more than £20m and Arsenal will want more than that from us.
The transfer will drag on till the last few days and RVP will go to Juve as they'll be the only team willing to buy him.
United are taking the piss imo. They won't be able to lowball Arsenal. They'll need to pony up £5m more if they want him.
Yeah can't see Wenger budging on this, Juve will probably get him or he'll spend a year and arsenal lose out on 20m. It's better if Fergie turns his attention to another player, CM preferably. Hope the Isco rumours are true and we're interested.
Why's that? PL > Serie A
Paracelsus
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It's clear he doesn't want to win the EPL or the Serie A, he wants to end his career as a midcarder.
Solo should give football a try now. I know a lot of people that started following the sport after seeing their country in international competitions.
Because Juve are a fantastic team with a fantastic manager
until he's jailed
Not that stupid more to do with the league than the club. He has been in the Premier League for 8 years. He probably wants to finish his career there.
He'd be great for Juve, but he probably fancies playing in the PL.
Out of the 3 clubs interested, he wants a move to United. The Juve betting scandal seemed to have put him off with a move there and City because he doesn't want to be branded the same as Nasri/Clichy. The move to United could happen if they up the offer to £20m and RVP tries to force a move. Even then it's not 100% certain that Arsenal will sell.
All 3 clubs are fantastic teams with fantastic managers. Yes, even Mancini. All 3 have real chances of winning the league too.
Would he really play second fiddle to Rooney though? Rooney wasn't top scorer or PotY last season.
I understand that but I honestly think at this stage of his career the hate he'll get off Arsenal fans and the fact he won't be automatic first choice... seems silly to me.
I completely understand him not wanting to go City (same with Agger)
I'd find a formation to try and play both. Give Rooney, Nani, Kagawa and RVP a free role in the team and let them drift around the pitch.
Vivalaraza
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Apparently one of his agents tweeted something about the latest Juve scandal and said something like "doesn't exactly make you wanna move there".
He was probably just messing and it seems the accused will be cleared anyway but I can see that casting some doubts over players going there...it doesn't help anyway.
I think if RVP has really said no to Juve, he truly thinks he can force through his move within England. He'll look a bit silly if Juve go on and sign somebody else and Arsenal don't sell him.
He was probably just messing and it seems the accused will be cleared anyway but I can see that casting some doubts over players going there...it doesn't help anyway.
I think if RVP has really said no to Juve, he truly thinks he can force through his move within England. He'll look a bit silly if Juve go on and sign somebody else and Arsenal don't sell him.
I think he probably would. Rooney is definitely Man U's most famous player to the average person. Unless you're a big fan of soccer/football, you honestly probably have never heard of RVP in many places while Rooney is a relative household name due to all the Nike advertising over the past decade or so.
The Guardian are suggesting City are interested in Damiao. Would explain Mancini's appearance at the Brazil match the other day.
Mancini isn't a fantastic manager. A very good one but not fantastic. But that's arguable I suppose.
I would think at his age and considering Fergie's obvious affinity for Rooney and Welbeck that RVP won't be automatic starter.
I'm sorry but why are we calling it the JUVE scandal? We have nothing to do with it. It's Siena and the other shit Serie B clubs. Quite unfortunate/malicious how they dragged Conte and the others into it.
Thanks!
Drawing the line
By the way, talking about great english bands, Enter Shikari is probably one of my favorites
Thanks!
You don't buy RVP and not have him be an automatic starter. Also, Welbeck starting and not RVP? Whatttttt
He'll be a starter at all 3 clubs. Even City who are loaded with Strikers already.
Personally I think he's just a bad buy for both Manchester clubs. None of them need him and given his age it's not like he can hang at the clubs for long. I don't get why they want to buy him.
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