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Football Thread 2012/13 |OT4| Welcome Sweet and Tender Hooligan
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Joel Was Right
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We look a mess right now, too anxious and too many players dawdling on the ball. We need to get Dembele on the ball more and I'd consider bringing Caulker on, pushing Vertonghen to LB and putting Bale on the LW.
It's just a young defender being a bit naive. He is at Gibbs level if we are being honest, though is potential is better.
It's just a young defender being a bit naive. He is at Gibbs level if we are being honest, though is potential is better.
cartoon_soldier
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lol Arsenal, shoot at least
Mr. Luchador
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Bobby Zamora. Heh.
That's one finely placed header.Man City 1-0 Arsenal
I always cringe when I see this..
Zonal marking is brilliant, it just has a habit of making a team look stupid when they concede using it. Regardless of appearances though, if employed effectively you'll concede less goals than man marking. You'll concede eventually using either.
Mr. Luchador
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Out of interest which teams in a physical centric league have effectively used zonal marking?
Gareth Bale
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Whatever happens Sigurdsson needs to come off.
The_Hitcher89
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Its just ridiculous that we have this £multi-billion organisation who have absolutely no reason to ensure that the referees they employ are up to standard, because there is no process that can be followed when they fuck up, outside of the FA's bullshit 'inflict them on a lower league' punishment.
Is it out of order and/or inaccurate to say that Halsey's always been a poor referee whose reputation was given a boost when he was diagnosed with cancer?
Yeah, when we can't hold the ball it's pointless. Gylfi off, Caulker on, Clint behind JD, Vert at LB and Bale at LW. We have to change it, we are not creating any chances.
Your nearest and dearest.
We've conceded once from corners since O'Neill took over, using zonal.
Freewheelin'
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Good half. Undeserved though from City, Arsenal playing well.
Liverpool conceded less goals from set pieces using it than when man marking. I remember reading statistics about how we conceded less from set pieces than other top teams when using it, yet every time we conceded a goal with it it was over analysed and chewed up. As I say, it looks terrible when you concede with it, whereas when you concede using man marking it at least looks like the defenders are trying to defend.
AndresON777
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fuck I just woke up how was the utd - pool game?
I hope it got a lil nasty in here
I hope it got a lil nasty in here
Mr. Luchador
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It's an interesting one, as corners are becoming more and more like Basketball inbound routines with runners and screens.
When were Liverpool using Zonal? Under Rafa?
When were Liverpool using Zonal? Under Rafa?
The_Hitcher89
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The thing with Zonal marking is, anytime a goal is scored against a team using it, the blame is placed on the system. If it's man-marking, the blame is placed on the man, no one ever says, "oh, zonal marking would have stopped that goal". Zonal marking probably wouldn't stop all these goals, but blaming the system in one case and the personnel in another is foolish.
Mr. Luchador
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Jamie Redknapp should donate £10 everytime he says touch tight.
I'm a United fan and it was fecking horrible from us. Only positive I saw was the goal we got from Rafael and the plays before that.
The_Hitcher89
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Andy Gray: 'The thing is, with man-marking it lets you blame the player, which is good'
Andy Gray: sexist JT
i tell u guys a secret. when robben scored that goal... i had sex at the same time. i'm not kidding, i was like WTF OMG !!! in that moment.
Vivalaraza
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Yessssssss won at Anfield yessssssssssss.
How's the City game?
How's the City game?
Freewheelin'
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:lol :lol
Mr. Luchador
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I'm thinking with Zonal Marking that it'd be easy to exploit if you were aware a team used it. You could overload one area with your best aerial threats.
The_Hitcher89
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I can't even muster the humility to say congratulations, so unearned was the win
Freewheelin'
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Wow
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We were like a food-poisoned Stoke. Abysmal. Liverpool looked good-ish, and we helped them look good.
Long balls to nobody. Lazy midfield passes going short/astray. Fuck all in the way of movement.
Let's keep F1 spoilers out still, please. Want to watch it after the City game.
Yes.
Both systems are exploitable. Prime example being Liverpool's corner today where Gerrard cut across the edge of the box to reach the ground pass; the defender was never staying with him, and other Liverpool players were able to draw United defenders out of that area.
In my opinion, if teams prioritise it enough both systems are beatable. Defending set pieces is all percentages to me, you're always going to concede them, it's about making it more difficult for the opposing team.
Same. Congratulations to the club's behaviour before, and during the game, but not for the result. So harsh, and it genuinely perturbs me that Halsey won't be adequately punished.
It's all about communicating your zones. Mistakes come when players don't realise it's their zone, and don't attack, and the whole team and system looks inept.
Wow
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That's um yeah..
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And straightforwardly obstruct them.
We are stupidly vulnerable to those, as Viva mentioned, though.
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