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Football Thread 2012/13 |OT4| Welcome Sweet and Tender Hooligan
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No Shit they are revealing an IPhone 5 today? How unexpected
its a shame that everything got shown already
Then again, he really looks high when he's playing. I'd probably look high too, if I had to run for myself and Pirlo.
No Shit they are revealing an IPhone 5 today? How unexpected
What? I can´t believe it, a new Iphone ? shocking
Is that cotton candy on her head?
Meus Renaissance
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Giroud looks like a default player in FIFA 13. Quite disappointing.
Speechless
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seems pretty near to real life
No Shit they are revealing an IPhone 5 today? How unexpected
The shock is that its leaked onto the apple site early
Steve Jobs owuld have imploded if that happened in his reign
Tim cook is no steve jobs
is the option to set time of day including under lights in exhibition a new option?
Dark Machine
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David Duckenfield should be re-tried and thrown away for the rest of his miserable little life for a start. He was the man in charge of the whole game. He ordered the gate to be opened. He failed to instruct officers to assist the dying or to allow ambulances onto the pitch. He failed to ensure there were stewards to direct fans away from the tunnel of death leading into the central pens. He failed to delay the kick-off time which could have averted this whole disaster. He, and he alone, is the man most responsible for the deaths of 96 innocent people. May his God have mercy on him.
Meus Renaissance
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I've noticed some comments by supporters of a certain rival club that are, to say the least, unsympathetic to the disaster - labelling Liverpool fans (or those fans then) with some unkind words. Why? Is there something that happened between these sets of fans back then, or are these trolls?
From the BBC live coverage: 'The report states a similar "near disaster" event could have happen at Hillsborough in 1981, and subsequent ground modifications actually increased dangers. There were further problems in 1987 and 1988. Ultimately, the risks were known and tragedy was forseeable'.
edit: found this interesting link re: 1981 http://thehillsboroughdisasterdocumentary.com/2011/11/16/hillsborough-1981-disaster-narrowly-avoided/
- The Hillsborough Independent Panel's report has been released today, concluding that the fans were in no way to blame for what happened at Hillsborough - it was the failure of the authorities.
- It was also revealed that there was an orchestrated cover up in order to deflect blame from the authorities on to the fans.
- Multiple police statements altered, the majority of those to remove anything that portrayed the police in a negative light. "The panel found that 164 police statements were significantly amended and 116 explicitly removed negative comments about the policing operation, including its lack of leadership"
- The same happened with statements from the ambulance service.
- The police conducted blood alcohol level tests on all victims, including children.
- Survivors receiving treatment in hospital were tested for alcohol without their knowledge or consent.
- The S*n "newspaper" was given a statement from a Sheffield news agency, who had been fed lies about the events of the day by South Yorkshire Police.
- The report found evidence that some of those who died could have been saved had they received proper care in the aftermath of the tragedy.
- In total, 41 people showed signs that they were still alive beyond the 3:15 "cut off point", and could potentially have been saved with proper care. Whether they would have survived or not is not known.
- The coroner at the previous inquest questioned the need for post mortems on the fans who died, as he believed the cause of death was the same for everyone. This is illegal.
- David Cameron has apologised on behalf of the government and the state for the injustice that the families have suffered.
- Many MPs in the House of Commons have called for those who are found to have broken the law during or since the disaster should have criminal charges brought against them, although this is for local authorities to decide, apparently.
The main outcome today is that it looks like finally, the families are close to the justice they have campaigned for for 23 years, and that justice is not a moment too soon. This systematic cover up should never have happened, and I can only hope those who orchestrated and facilitated it can be brought to justice.
What exactly are you trying to instigate here?
It isn't Chelsea is it. I have a sinking feeling that it might be.
Didn't Chelsea fans boo the hillsborough minutes silence at the FA Cup final?
Every club has fans that will be acting like dicks today about Hillsborough.
Every club has a vocal minority of idiots.
Willkiller
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Some did. There's idiotic and disrespectful fans in every club.
It would be silly to try and brand one particular set of supporters when, I bet, you'd easily find someone from every club deciding to do a Frankie Boyle and tell a joke about Hillsborough.
They went as far as putting up those "always the victim" posters too.
Why are they fucking idiots? I don't get this world.
Hadn't considered that, you'd have to imagine it would be several hundred thousand. There'd be payouts for Police Negligence leading to death, payouts for the pain and suffering caused by the cover up, payouts for the libellous stories in The S*n..
Obviously it does nothing to ease the pain of losing a loved one followed by a 23 years of heartache brought on by the lies of self-serving pricks, but at least it's something.
Not excusing their actions but I believe that some of these idiots may be motivated by bitterness over Heysel.
Broder Salsa
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Because football attracts some real scum, it's the same for all teams really (see the Munich fans from some Liverpool supporters).
A bit of PR: Juventus College is a go. Must be nice going to a school where there's no conflict of schedules between schooling and training. Only downside: no females in sight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1x7Pyed4qY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1x7Pyed4qY
LabouredSubterfuge
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Statute of limitation I would have thought. Not sure if it differs where government authorities are involved.
iPad+privacy, I guess.
And again, Hillsborough was in no way on its own in this regard. "Near" crushes happened up and down the country.
Nothing I said is wrong with regards to the stadium itself. The ground was picked for numerous netural cup ties because it was the best of a bad bunch of stadiums at that time. Hillsborough has hosted netural cup ties since 1989, too. Only that day has resulted in a loss of life, which was the result of a toxic blend of circumstances. With that same blend of circumstances, the disaster could have occurred at any other ground in the country.
All pulling up previous instances at Hillsborough does is possibly show a lack of lessons learned in football policing policy in the 80's, but that was an issue of the times and an issue of the game rather than any specific ground, Hillsborough or otherwise.
Statute of Limitation wouldn't apply in a case which was heard under false pretences
THe case would begin anew
Also Chief Supt Duckenfield's first big match, with established protocol altered even before bigger mistakes were made.
The Health and Safety Executive's best estimate for the number of people who entered the leppings lane end, by any means, was ~400 under capacity. Yet people still go on about ticketless fans. The HSE reports submitted to the inquiry at the time: http://www.hse.gov.uk/foi/releases/hillsborough.htm
All he said was 'Ancient stadium that was not fit for purpose and was inherently dangerous'. You disagreed, but I don't think what he said was false. That other stadiums were similar or worse is neither here nor there. It was a factor, and the result was removal of fences and mandatory seating. I don't think anyone is having a go at Hillsborough specifically.
Vivalaraza
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I think they call it "tit-for-tat".
It's just pathetic and doesn't deserve the time of day.
Just morons.
You get it, sadly.
Some City fans taunt United over Munich with aeroplane gestures. The majority don't. But a few do and it gives the fans a bad name.
Some United fans spray up City pubs with stuff about Foe. One or two individuals giving the thousands a bad name.
I could go on.
The most notable one I know of is some Arsenal fans make hissing sounds at White Hart Lane.
That minority - scum of the earth.
I remember back to the 50th anniversary of the Munich air disaster and how well behaved every fan was. The silence was impeccably respected by both sets of fans.
The winner of the game was not important that day. The true winner was Manchester because rivalry was put aside and respect was shown.
Was that the game we wore those lovely plain kits? I remember that.
Some minority fans are just disgraceful but that's the way things are unfortunately. Just have to do your best to ignore it and not associate with it at all.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Not quite correct.
s.32 of the Limitation Act 1980 allows for litigants to take action at the date of discovery where there has been fraud, concealment or mistake.
So they would rely on that in relation to any negligence claim.
Yes. United had a retro shirt and I think City wore a shirt without sponsors or kit makers logos.
The only thing they could have done to add more to the occasion is use the very old crest. But there is something legal about that which restricts its use. Can't remember what though.
But Hillsborough isn't an ancient stadium or unfit for purpose, even 23 years after the disaster. Its a perfectly safe stadium as we stand now here in 2012, so I'd continue to disagree that the stadium itself was "inherently dangerous". Structurally, the stadium is almost exactly the same, other than the South Stand which was redeveloped for Euro 96. The Leppings Lane end is structurally unchanged.
What was "inherently dangerous" was the barbaric fencing, which thankfully no longer exists in the UK.
Vivalaraza
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Hhhhnnnggg that kit. I would even take that kit now just as it is with all the other shit plastered on it, crest, sponsors etc. Would be so awesome.
Dark Machine
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Special Liverpool Echo front page tonight at 5pm. Sums things up pretty well for people unaware:
It helps that there's a fucking sex god modelling it
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