This is what I don't understand, if the law says he's not guilty, who the fuck are the FA to argue!
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This is what I don't understand, if the law says he's not guilty, who the fuck are the FA to argue!
Pardew has signed a new 8 year deal
Eight years? Good grief. That German girl will likely be in her mid 20s by then.
Jeff Albertson
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8 years for Pardew is insane
They have a different (worse) standard of proof.
Erm no...his defense was laughable and he squeezed by in criminal proceedings on a technicality. 4 games is too few. FA are a joke...we can agree on that.
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Yes, which is why he was found not guilty. That doesn't mean the court was convinced he didn't do it. They simply weren't 100% certain he did.
See also: Michael Jackson.
In other news, Jenas to Forest is official. Only a one-month loan but hopefully we don't see him again.
It was not a technicality. It was the failure to establish beyond reasonable doubt. The judge did state that he found Terry to be a reliable witness after all.
Thats the point. If we can;t be certain if someone did something ,we assume they didn't.
Vivalaraza
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Pretty funny that the FA find him guilty of something the Court cleared him of.
Thing is, I am not fussed because in my mind, Terry said it. I don't believe his explanation. I think he has lied about it. Of course the Court too suggested as much - but they couldn't condemn him.
Easy for me to say and make my own judgement because I'm just one guy and I don't have to go worry about going by procedure - but I can't pretend to be flustered over a pretty shoddy decision making process because I just can't help but think Terry did racially abused Ferdinand and was basically getting away with it.
Thing is, I am not fussed because in my mind, Terry said it. I don't believe his explanation. I think he has lied about it. Of course the Court too suggested as much - but they couldn't condemn him.
Easy for me to say and make my own judgement because I'm just one guy and I don't have to go worry about going by procedure - but I can't pretend to be flustered over a pretty shoddy decision making process because I just can't help but think Terry did racially abused Ferdinand and was basically getting away with it.
Willkiller
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The court found that his guilt was probable, though not beyond reasonable doubt. You decide if that's considered technical or not.
Where exactly in the judgment did it say that his guilt was probable? Anyway, probable isn;t good enough in any case.
Vivalaraza
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The court didn't assume he didn't do it, though. They have to have cast-iron proof, and in this case, they acknowledge he likely did commit racial abuse but they didn't have the required burden of proof to find him guilty.
Do we all assume OJ didn't do those murders just because they couldn't prove it in a court of law?
The judge said:
What I think is irrelevant. In all honesty, I am genuinely not sure and I am glad that I can defer to a higher authority and give him the benefit of the doubt.
If you are using the wrongness of the OJ case as an argument that the decision here was wrong as well, why not assume that all court decisions are wrong.
I know the courts aren't perfect but they are the best we have and we might as well follow their decisions, not just when it suits us.
I personally believe Terry.
The law says he's innocent, he's had loads of character witnesses say he wouldn't say it.
On the other hand, Anton Ferdinand and his brother say he did it.
That's enough for me.
I'm not saying the decision was wrong, it was absolutely right as the evidence just wasn't there. I'm just saying not guilty =/= innocent.
Actually it is. A judgement by a profeesuonal body has it's own standards to adhere to.
Perhaps the FA's standards in this regard are superior or more appropriate to the case, given that a prison sentence is not at stake. A criminal court should have a higher standard than a workplace dispute. The law has to be applied to much broader and graver matters. The fact that he was cleared in a criminal case is irrelevant. This isn't a murder trial. He was caught on video uttering the words...if he was my employee - the case would be quite clear.
Vivalaraza
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But the law didn't really declare him fully innocent.
They said he is not guilty.
That's not the same as being innocent - because the court itself said they didn't really trust Terry's version of events.
Anyway - this will get messy. No doubt the processes' are not precise enough, the FA's especially - but I don't believe Terry. I'm happy to say he is not guilty and that the Court's ruling should be respected.
I don't consider him innocent. His story is ridiculous.
Edit - Rio Ferdinand hasn't commented on this case. If you want to go along with a court's technical ruling you should keep that kind of assumption out of your thought process.
I know that. I do think that the defendant should get the benefit of the doubt though and not have to constantly shoulder the condemnation of society based on what he may have possibly done.
Anyway, I wish to drop this discussion now. None of us are going to change our opinions and I understand that. I admit that if I were not a Chelsea fan, I would likely also be of the views as you.
Broder Salsa
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Mumei would have banned Terry for longer.
Fearlessness multiplier.
Wonder if Ando is too gassed to feature on the weekend. That moment down in the corner where he had about 3 or 4 yards to run but just couldn't muster the cardio - :lol
And Pards will get PAID.
Jeff Albertson
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Steve Kean gets 9 year contract
Willkiller
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8 more years! 8 more years!
PowderedToast
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early october patch.
Got something awesome to hopefully wash away the JT nonsense:
One-legged goal
Guy was born without a leg and plays footy on crutches.
One-legged goal
Guy was born without a leg and plays footy on crutches.
Graham Carr got an 8 year contract not long ago. As long as he keeps bringing in great players on the cheap and Pards keeps getting the best out of them, I don't see a problem.
Broder Salsa
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Could imagine some pretty amazing tackles on that guy.
And Knighted by the Queen.
PrematureQuiche
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Couldn't get a CoH beta codes. Its in the over 18 area and I didn't realise.
Cheers.
Broder Salsa
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:lol
HotHamWater
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When I went a few years ago they didn't really police that much. I blagged my way in without an ID and I was pretty baby faced.
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Gareth Bale
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Awww. Thanks for trying though.
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It was best when they did California style and Florida style and then they changed it and made it slightly healthier and added fruit and shit
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