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Football Thread 2012/13 |OT6| Mumei almost banned EVERYBODY (but just Wilbury)
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What leverage does he have? Fifa still doesn't have contract lengths that reflect the ones in real life, right?
Vivalaraza
Member
It's funny though.
The_Hitcher89
Member
Well it said he was on a 3 year deal on £15,000. So I offered him £20,000 on a new 3 year deal and he says it's not good enough. Well screw him then.
Willkiller
Banned
Every player gets denied fouls. It happens, and yes it's bullshit, it's always really annoying when you get denied a clear foul etc.
I can't help but say in Suarez's case...fucking tough. Cry me a river. He, and he alone made his bed and he's having to lie in it. He always tries to cheat the game, I honestly don't care or feel any sense of injustice when he doesn't get a decision.
If that's how you want to play your football in this day and age, with so many ways to really analyse what happened then you best be prepared to accept that sometimes you'll get a taste of your own medicine.
Vivalaraza
Member
Have to say I am quite disappointed Suarez hasn't snapped yet.
He's obv. quite an emotional guy. We need to bring Materazzi in for this operation.
Can you imagine Suarez getting sent off and 50k people cheering and clapping and waving him goodbye. Man, that would be so awesome.
He's obv. quite an emotional guy. We need to bring Materazzi in for this operation.
Can you imagine Suarez getting sent off and 50k people cheering and clapping and waving him goodbye. Man, that would be so awesome.
KidA Seven
Member
Video related:
Suarez = black guy, Odd Morsel and Liverpool fans = Harold, and Cops = refs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FL5LwHUVio&feature=related
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No. What would be awesome is if Man United went bankrupt.
Vivalaraza
Member
KidA Seven
Member
Suarez doesn't get whacked any more than Bale/Silva/Van Persie/Mata or any other tricky attacking player. He gets the standard rough and tumble treatment that everybody gets in the PL, only his theatrical reactions somehow make Liverpool fans think he gets it worse than others. He doesn't, he dishes it out but he can't take it himself.
This is simply not true. Suarez is the most fouled player in the league.
So because a player has an unsavory personality on the pitch, the referees no longer have to do their job? Stunning revelation.
Willkiller
Banned
I didn't say that, I said that in dubious challenges, it isn't surprising that Suarez doesn't get the benefit of the doubt considering his reputation.
AndresON777
shooting blanks
:lol
Now what's the fun in that? Wouldn't it be more awesome if you win the league WITH United (at their best) in it?
No.
No.
Vivalaraza
Member
Most fouled players in 2011-2012 season.
Suarez has the highest rate of winning fouls though.
Suarez has the highest rate of winning fouls though.
No. Because a player exaggerates every contact, dives and whines over each and every fucking decision, you cant point at the referees and say they screwed up because they feel he is up to his antics again.
The_Hitcher89
Member
Nobody's asking for sympathy, competence will do.
Would you feel the same if you conceded a penalty and a red card for the ball being twatted at Taylor's stomach and being given as a handball?
@Viva, Materazzi would get himself sent off before he had a chance to wind Suarez up
The referees job is unemotional. Every match should be taken in its own context - but the referees can't seem to handle that seemingly simple concept. For example, if you're wearing a Manchester United shirt, when you dive the booking goes to the other team and you get a penalty. When you're Suarez, having stud-marks on your torso isn't enough to call a foul.
Willkiller
Banned
I'd feel like it was bullshit, which it would be, but every players and every team gets bad decisions.
AndresON777
shooting blanks
I feel like Luiz drew Marcelo or atleast thats what I'd like to believe.
cunt overload. I love sandros face tho.
got 35k coins. Falcao will be mine by the end of the day
We're back on Suarez again? I thought Footie-GAF was over that.
Aren't you a United fan?
Aren't you a United fan?
Even if you take each game on its own. He does it every freaking game. Besides referees are still human and the stuff a player does will leave a certain impression in the subconscious of the ref causing him to judge that person in a specific manner.
Vivalaraza
Member
In truth, the number of fouls won is a red herring anyway.
For one, some players ride challenges alot better than others. David Silva for example, gets plenty of shirt tugs and kicks, but he quite often actually tries to stay on his feet and play on. Quite often he shrugs off a challenge and gets goal side and finds himself in a good position. So that's one thing.
More importantly though, it's not that Suarez doesn't get fouls called against him. He does and he gets alot of them, many of them when they aren't actually fouls. What he doesn't get is the game defining decisions, which are naturally most often in the penalty box and involving him going over.
And that is because the ref's don't trust him. They don't want to give a penalty because they don't want to risk giving a big decision like that when 1) They are hesitant to give him the benefit of the doubt 2) Quite often Suarez's falls even for legit pens are exaggerated.
Obv. the ref's need to be better, there is no denying that. But Suarez has created a problem for himself. And last week at Stoke typified that. The story after the match was about his ridiculous dive. If he hadn't done that, the stamp from Huth would have been the main headline. Liverpool fans might not want to believe that But i'm pretty sure that's how it would have gone down.
But anyhow, that's how it SHOULD be. But it just isn't and people have a natural perception which they just can't shrug. Ideally we would have ref's who could do that but it's nigh on impossible. Suarez has to accept responsibility also. It's not fair to pin it all on the refs.
For one, some players ride challenges alot better than others. David Silva for example, gets plenty of shirt tugs and kicks, but he quite often actually tries to stay on his feet and play on. Quite often he shrugs off a challenge and gets goal side and finds himself in a good position. So that's one thing.
More importantly though, it's not that Suarez doesn't get fouls called against him. He does and he gets alot of them, many of them when they aren't actually fouls. What he doesn't get is the game defining decisions, which are naturally most often in the penalty box and involving him going over.
And that is because the ref's don't trust him. They don't want to give a penalty because they don't want to risk giving a big decision like that when 1) They are hesitant to give him the benefit of the doubt 2) Quite often Suarez's falls even for legit pens are exaggerated.
Obv. the ref's need to be better, there is no denying that. But Suarez has created a problem for himself. And last week at Stoke typified that. The story after the match was about his ridiculous dive. If he hadn't done that, the stamp from Huth would have been the main headline. Liverpool fans might not want to believe that But i'm pretty sure that's how it would have gone down.
Nobody is going to take you seriously if you're gonna make points like that :lol
But anyhow, that's how it SHOULD be. But it just isn't and people have a natural perception which they just can't shrug. Ideally we would have ref's who could do that but it's nigh on impossible. Suarez has to accept responsibility also. It's not fair to pin it all on the refs.
98%* of the time suarez goes down, he does so in an exaggerated and theatrical manner. it's pretty easy to see he's diving. besides, if the referee's not sure whether it's a foul or dive, it's only logical that he wouldn't give suarez the benefit of the doubt. after all, it's suarez.
*i'm pulling this number out of my hairy ass.
The_Hitcher89
Member
Would you accept that the referee could be inclined to see it as a handball given his past?
They're humans who have a job to do - they're the highest paid referees in the world, no? They're not robots but they should be the best of the best, and at the present time they aren't up to the level that they should be.
It's not even like it's something that just appeared recently. It's systematic. Institutionalized. It was even researched and shown that teams who wear red and black are booked more often, and that foreign players are shown yellow cards more than British players.
It's erroneous, and so long as people continue their obsession with Luis Suarez, it'll be worth bringing up that the system, as it is, is bullshit.
I'm not so sure, but I wish he wouldn't have dived there. It's frustrating for the fans. Not as frustrating as hearing him made out to be the masked villain of England, though.
I'm not looking to be taken seriously right now anyway. I'm sick, tired and barely conscious from the medicine. COME AT ME BROO
AndresON777
shooting blanks
Besides Iniesta Luis was the best player at the last world cup. Come to España luis. We dont discriminate south americans lulz
Vivalaraza
Member
That's not an equivocal example though. One incident, albeit pretty damn disgraceful and hilarious, against several in the case of Suarez.
Willkiller
Banned
Not in situations like that no, when I was talking about how I'm not surprised when Suarez doesn't always the get dubious calls I was talking about 50/50 challenges, just your standard little fouls etc
The_Hitcher89
Member
He's done it twice, enough for me to call him a serial handballer
@Willkiller, I agree with the 50/50 challenges, the ref would probably be right to err on the side of Suarez diving. If its so much as 51/49 though, that bias should disappear and he should call it as he sees it. I don't think that's happening though
The refs have the most thankless job in the world. I feel sorry for them sometimes. They might get a very very very tough decision right and no1 would bat an eyelid. The moment they screw up 1 decision out of the 100s they make in a match and they do so because of a player play acting the whole world gets on their back. This goes for every sport.
What's happening to Suarez is exactly what happened to Drogba and Nani. Their reputation went before them and referees stopped giving them decisions. In the last two seasons they both stopped throwing themselves over and crying all the time. Suarez simply needs to man up for a month or two then he'll get the referees on side. He started doing that but then threw it all away with the dive against Stoke.
Vivalaraza
Member
Basically this.
It happened before that with Ronaldo too.
Suarez has to stop putting himself out there to get castigated.
Bale is going to start getting hit and not given fouls soon too.
Willkiller
Banned
I just think it's funny how Liverpool fans will seemingly defend Suarez to the end of the Earth as if he's been a 'red through and through' all his life of something. By all means, celebrate the good stuff he does for the club, I know I'll never forget Barton's brace in the 4-4 and the passion he showed in the derby games. I still recognize that he was/is a piece of shit who's antics embarrassed the club though.
@Hitcher, In an ideal world I agree. I just don't think it's possible to eliminate that little degree of bias in certain situations. We're all human after all, as professional as referees are (and they really are) it would be almost impossible to eliminate things that happen on a subconscious level.
@Hitcher, In an ideal world I agree. I just don't think it's possible to eliminate that little degree of bias in certain situations. We're all human after all, as professional as referees are (and they really are) it would be almost impossible to eliminate things that happen on a subconscious level.
Pretty much this. Stay on his feet until its obvious its a foul.
Nani has definitely stopped diving as much. Not stopped completely but less than before.
They get paid bucket loads. A big job with big responsibilities comes with big rewards. And good referees do get recognized, when it's over a period of time. I agree that the feedback is disproportionate, but I also think that when you are at the level of the Premier League, you need a group of people who simply don't make mistakes. Impossible, I know, but it needs to be better than it is now.
I am more of a hard-line type fan who will defend my clubs players, although I know many are not like that. My friend, a Liverpool fan, hates Suarez with a passion. He's on the other extreme I suppose.
I can't help it, even if it weren't my own club I'd still step in when the vitriol gets as ridiculous as it is over Suarez. I even defend Barton at times even though I know he's a shitcake of a person by most standards.
Besides it's boring if you just sit back and listen to the choir sing the same fucking song every week.
This is from RAWK and it says what you guys are saying and I agree with it.
Fuck me another double post.
Brain is barely working here.. you guys need to post more.Willkiller
Banned
I agree with you to an extent. I've sure as hell defended some stupid things Newcastle players have done, I'm not going to sit here and pretend that if Tiote goes in two footed next week against the Mackems I wouldn't be loving it. I'd draw the line somewhere though, and it baffles me that some some Liverpool fans it's yet to be drawn against Suarez.
I know this is purely personal preference though.
AndresON777
shooting blanks
I cant wait till we play Argentina. We're going to light them up
WAR recon zero
Banned
easy there tiger.
hope we play well enough and snatch some points.
hope we play well enough and snatch some points.
KidA Seven
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