Presumably we would be filling the holes in our squad without him, though.
Bit of a paradox innit.
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Football Thread 2013/14 |OT4| Everybody Hates Wenger renewed for 17th season
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Bit of a paradox innit.
The_Hitcher89
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Such a fucking odd situation they have going on there. He's simultaneously holding them back, and keeping them afloat
The only reason Arsenal make fourth is Wenger. I wouldn't hesitate in saying their squad is worse than Liverpool's. Probably not their first team, but their squad; and now they seem to have about 14 players.
For all of Wenger's faults, and there are a fucking bunch of them, he's also one of the elite managers in the sport, one of the very best around. Arsenal wouldn't have come fourth without everything he does for the club last year. It really quite disappoints me when so many people call for his head and don't figure the alternative would be the board keeping money from a lesser manager.
For all of Wenger's faults, and there are a fucking bunch of them, he's also one of the elite managers in the sport, one of the very best around. Arsenal wouldn't have come fourth without everything he does for the club last year. It really quite disappoints me when so many people call for his head and don't figure the alternative would be the board keeping money from a lesser manager.
Lambda Pie
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anyone here from Wales? explain the show The Valleys and explain why we shouldn't nuke the place.
They will come fourth. This league outside of the top 5 is very mediocre and wenger is still is a very good coach.
Very strange.
He's simultaneously brilliant and pathetic. Psychologically I don't think he's cut out for the job anymore, because he can't bring himself to spend the money required to get the players in. And I think his scouting's fucking flawed, too. It's Newcastle-esque. The two players he's linked with are fucking french. STOP IT. If you're desperate for a french speaker, go Belgian, but fuck buying French footballers. They're wank. They sign contracts without even looking at the page (sorry Aly).
I don't even think this is a case of the board not giving him money, I think it's Arsene not being capable of spending it.
The_Hitcher89
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Isn;t that paradoxical to what you said earlier? How can a club outside the top 5 be mediocre compared to those in it, yet be expected to challenge for fourth until the last day?
Wasn't Hansen saying last night there were strong rumours of Suarez signing a new deal this week?
On MOTD? Interesting if true.
The stories coming out of Arsenal this summer have indicated that there is a very sizable sum of money available to Wenger, he just hasn't spent a penny. He has dallied on pulling the trigger on a number of targets apparently. Still an absolutely brilliant manager though. I want someone to hold his hand and guide him through the market.
Wilbur thinks we would go to Poundland for a new manager, but Wenger is on gigantic wages. The one place I don't think we would skimp on.
Depends what though. I mean, if I had been quoted 40m for Higuain or whatever it was? No fucking way would I pay it. Even Suarez, who is an incredible talent, has been banned for however many games and its arguable the team have looked just as good or better without him in it, so spending 60m or so would be a big risk.
He should have spent money this summer, without a doubt. But for the two he's apparently been close to, I can understand why Higuain and Suarez aren't wearing Arsenal shirts right now.
The_Hitcher89
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Klopp would be an amazing fit for you, think (and hope) he's at Dortmund for years to come though
Broder Salsa
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Wenger should stay forever, it will help Arsenal not be a threat to anyone or anything other than their supporters mental state.
It's not that, but realistically who could you attract that is better than Wenger? There's only a handful in the game at his level. A lot of Arsenal fans would want Klopp, but that just isn't happening. Who else can you even think of that would a) be interested, b) interest Arsenal and c) be good enough?
Someone might come out of nowhere and blow us away but right now I don't see how getting rid at the end of the season and turning elsewhere would improve things. If another manager was in charge and he spent 35-40m on Higuain, I'd have fucking died laughing. He just isn't worth the cash.
Wenger has a myriad of flaws, spending money being one of them. Would it help to have someone in a la Baldini to handle transfers? Of course, but that isn't going to happen. Spurs have a much better squad than Arsenal but the reason not everyone's ready to pick them for top four is because of Wenger. Would you rather have AVB/Baldini/Spurs' squad, or your squad and Wenger?
That's because we aren't a threat. It's no problem when we're mid-table and trophyless year after year. If we somehow were challenging for the title again, you'd hate Liverpool like you have Chelsea, City and Arsenal.
but you are describing arsenal
fuck me almunia just made a brilliant save in the last minute, tipped it onto the post
Pre-Conte: Milan fans absolutely loved Juventini, on twitter and IRL. We were so harmless and cute.
Post-Conte: JUVE MERDA
(not all of them to be fair, I'm just exaggerating
<3)Pre-Conte: Milan fans absolutely loved Juventini, on twitter and IRL. We were so harmless and cute.
Post-Conte: JUVE MERDA
(not all of them to be fair, I'm just exaggerating
And now Milan are suffering from a dip not dissimilar from Liverpool's, as well.
Broder Salsa
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CORNER CORNER CORNER CORNER CORNELIUUUUUUUUUS CORNELIUUUUUUUUUUS CORNELIUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSS
I am ready.
Wooden, is Cornelius playing?! I left him out my fantasy team, FUCK
Ba's rumoured to Roma, I think. Don't think Torres will leave if Ba does, even if a striker comes in.
Ba's rumoured to Roma, I think. Don't think Torres will leave if Ba does, even if a striker comes in.
Torres will stay. Its a very long season and we might need his supposed quality during tricky times.
But we definitely have to get to rid of him next summer. Dont care how.
I've noticed recently that Wenger has threw a few sly digs at Dortmund for unknown reasons. I feel like there is some sort of unreported beef there. Whoever we get Wenger will have a huge hand in it, so it'll probably be the Bulgarian Dragon in Japan.
I could sit here and rattle off the biggest names in football, because we could certainly afford/attract them, but who knows because Wenger would leave at the earliest in summer 2014. The landscape will be completely different. It's a bit of a whitewash to shrug off Wenger's failings this summer on the Higuain/Suarez situations as we have become threadbare all over the pitch and he has failed to do a thing. We bid £20m for Reina three summers ago, why couldn't we buy a keeper since? He has said before that he would welcome a DoF, we just need someone to implement it.
And Arsenal are not a mid-table team you turkey, the Koptomism you and your fellow United fans are feeling has gone to your head.
I think Weimann and Benteke are both brilliant players, but at the moment the most impressive Villa player to me has to be Fabian Delph. Benteke has the quality, no question. But Delph was fantastic vs Arsenal and did a great job vs us as well.
Broder Salsa
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He's on the bench only. Will come on to score despite not being fully fit, believe.
And the initial bids he places seem low. I'm not saying that Cabaye is worth 17, but 10 is a miserable bid, and it allows another team to come in over the top of Arsenal. The market is overvalued and it only gets worse the longer he waits. By his bidding pattern, I really don't think he wants to bring anyone in.
Who? The biggest (read, best) names in football are:
Mourinho - no chance
Guardiola - no chance
Klopp - no chance
Ancelotti - no chance
Conte - no chance
Then you have managers like Pellegrini and Simeone who aren't going to leave their clubs. It's very likely you'll get someone like the bloke who works for Wenger's old club like you say, and that certainly won't inspire anything in Arsenal fans. You could always do what Liverpool did, hire from within the league and get a bright young coach, but I can't see that placating Arsenal fans either.
Not all of you, but a lot of you have an overexaggerated sense of worth, because of what Wenger has achieved for you. When he's gone, and you have to get someone in, do you think any of the managers I named would be interested in Arsenal? I really don't. Other than them, you'd be taking a risk and going for someone without a pedigree.
Broder Salsa
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They could probably get Ståle Solbakken.
The problem with Arsenal, me thinks, is stagnation. Whoever they bring, whoever remains, they will have the same mentality, playstyle, etc. The problem is not inherently with any of the components that make up the Club. Arsene is a good coach who won things in the past. Arsenal is a big Club who are situated in London (players do care) and have a lot of money (which they can spend but chose not to) and the players are talented on their right. However, the problem stems that together, they are not functional group that can grind out results like Chlease, just because the root of it all comes back again and again every single year. Crisis, then wins, then mixed qualities in the pitch during the next few months, then collapse, then adrenaline.its all too familiar.
Laudrup? I think he'd go. He'd know how to spend that money too.
Rafa should be available by then.
But seriously, someone like Bielsa would be good for Arsenal.
We'll see how Swansea do this season. Wooden has repeatedly called Laudrup a one season wonder so I'm interested to see how it goes.
Lol can you imagine the high line pressing Bielsa would make Mertesacker do
It would be hilarious
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