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Football Thread 2013/14 |OT4| Everybody Hates Wenger renewed for 17th season

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Wilbur

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Jack cw said:
This isnt some fancy skill award its for the MVP... the player whose performances led to national and international titles...
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Outstanding performers. Not performers who won trophies. Performer.

Individual.

Come on you nutso Bayern fans + Clegg

How are you not getting this.
 
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omgkitty

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GHG said:
http://api.ning.com/files/QuP-U7H6v...vJO-3iU5ecUIO5HgmaCCRSCS2Bym6Zvr5R2/guila.png

Apparently we've bid €10m for Josuha Guilavogui from Saint-Étienne.

He actually looks like he could be decent...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke9yv6e-LKQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYumWaQ02Oo
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This is an Arsenal signing if I've ever seen one. Young French player I've never heard of. It's probably guaranteed now, and with the murmurings of Park going the other way, seems like it's going to happen. Think we should pick up Kurt Zouma while we're there. He's also young, French and highly rated. Think he would be good defensive back up.
 
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Fady K

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Blablurn said:
He deserves it but he probably won't get it. Isnt Ballon D'Or chosen by captains and coaches? They will probably stick to Messi again.
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I'm a huge Messi fan but this is not his year at all. He did help his club get the title but it should be more about continental success rather than domestic ones.

Yenrot said:
It should go to the best individual player.
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Is that how it works :0?
 
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LegoArmo

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Celtic going to get Nir Biton, Pukki and Finnbogason done this week.

Nir Biton looks quite talented. City had him on trial a couple times, I think.
 
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Jack cw

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Wilbur said:
How are you not getting this.
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How is a performance worth anything if it doesnt help the team winning whats important?
Is this some "show your skills youtube video" award then? Messi and Ronaldo are incredibly skilled but there was a reason why Iniesta won it last year...
Of course I'm biased towards Bayern but they all played a fantastic season and should be awarded for it.
 
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GHG

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Lukas Podolski out for up to 10 weeks with hamstring injury

Arsenal winger Lukas Podolski has been ruled out for between eight and 10 weeks after pulling his hamstring in the Champions League play-off victory over Fenerbahce.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23859274
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Sign some players you twats!
 
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FootballFan

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ElTopo said:
I just find it bizarre that we take scoring as the most important measure of an individual performance. Ronaldo wasn't there when it mattered most, both in 2011/2012 and 2012/2013 CL seasons. Messi was conveniently injured, so everyone can just pretend how he would've crushed Bayern. You know what's also important for great players? To be there when it matters.

I'm totally unfair now, but fuck it, I want Ribery to win.
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That wasn't my point Topo! I thought you were saying Ronaldo scores a gillion goals because of La Liga, I was just showing that he and Messi do it in CL too.
 
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Wilbur

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Jack cw said:
How is a performance worth anything if it doesnt help the team winning whats important?
Is this some "show your skills youtube video" award then? Messi and Ronaldo are incredibly skilled but there was a reason why Iniesta won it last year...
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Well I disagree with Iniesta winning it last year as well.

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I just find it bizarre that we take scoring as the most important measure of an individual performance. Ronaldo wasn't there when it mattered most, both in 2011/2012 and 2012/2013 CL seasons. Messi was conveniently injured, so everyone can just pretend how he would've crushed Bayern. You know what's also important for great players? To be there when it matters.
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:lol blaming players for being injured that they weren't there.

I fucking hate Barcelona. I think Messi's an odious little cunt.

But come on. It's not just scoring goals, like I said yesterday. Every single week Messi does things on a football pitch where if I saw any other player do it - Ribery, Ronaldo, Bebe - I'd fucking flip out and say "holy shit". Messi does it, I just carry on watching. It's become second nature for him to do something absolutely genius on a football pitch, so I can understand why some people would be bored of him winning, or take his brilliance for granted.

Messi missed two games against Bayern, sure. Or didn't play well in them

But for the other 50 odd games in the season, he was incredible. And better than Ribery.
 
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Yurt

il capo silenzioso
Arsenal are considering Fabio Quagliarella LOOOOL

Fady K said:
Lol! I guess you're referring to Terry? I don't endorse any of his stupid actions, and in fact it is the main reason why he is nowhere near my favorite Chelsea players. Lampard is the captain for me. However what Ryan Giggs did is even far worse and the fans have likely forgiven him; besides, a player will never equate to a club. Thankfully other than John Terry's racist statement 2 years ago it has been quiet at Chelsea. I prefer the quiet atmosphere.
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C'mon Fady, it's not the same. Giggs fucked his bro's wife, they're blood related so it's fine. :p

Super Frank is indeed the real Chelsea legend <3
 
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Fady K

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Wilbur said:
Fady. it's called UEFA Club Footballer of the Year :lol

Footballer of the year. How can that mean anything but the best individual player?!
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I know, I know wilbz but I think they can also look at someone who aided his team to win a whole lotta stuff ;D Can't ignore a treble winning team bro! I am guessing Ribery's performances played a huge role in Bayern getting all those trophies.

Arjen said:
It's really depressing, i could handle it, if we had time to find new players ourselfs, but it's policy to only buy new players after they're gone, now will have a couple of days at best to replace them.
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That is very unfortunate. I dislike it when clubs let go of so many good players. Didn't like it when Malaga or Valencia did it. I also feel bad for Dortmund releasing some key players in the past couple of seasons.
 
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Jack cw

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Still, Ribery is a midfielder and scored pretty good and his assists counted in all the important matches. Messi and Ronaldo might be more skilled but in the end his performance led his team to ultimate success. Its worth something. Fancy skills alone doesnt justify such an award winning. I absolutely accept Messi and Ronaldo being better individual players but as I said Riberys 50 matches were outstanding too and he was by far the best player in the Bundesliga.
 
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Mr.Marston

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Jack cw said:
Still, Ribery is a midfielder and scored pretty good and his assists counted in all the important matches. Messi and Ronaldo might be more skilled but in the end his performance led his team to ultimate success. Its worth something. Fancy skills alone doesnt justify such an award winning. I absolutely accept Messi and Ronaldo being better individual players but as I said Riberys 50 matches were outstanding too and he was by far the best player in the Bundesliga.
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I agree. That's why he should get third place.
 
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Wilbur

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This is a five minute highlights video for Messi of the season 2012/13. It was updated only two months into that season - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2dM-wAbBgI

The run and pass at 0:40 for Fabregas' goal isn't just 'an assist'. It's a fucking incredible piece of skill where he evades three or four defenders, opening a stupendous amount of space up for Cesc to run into. He plays him in absolutely perfectly. He scores.

The pass at 2:21 is Messi's brain thinking fucking aeons before everyone else on the pitch and playing the ball that 99 times out of 100 no one would even see with that little amount of time.

There's no shame in losing to Messi. There's no shame in any Bayern player, who most certainly were part of the best team of 2013, losing to the best player of 2013.
 
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K1LLER7

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Probably DC, but this was great to read.
Rene come back :'(

When Gareth Bale arrives at Real Madrid, he will encounter Cristiano Ronaldo, a supreme professional who has worked assiduously on all elements of his game to become, along with Lionel Messi, the leading player in the world.

Ronaldo’s rise accelerated under Sir Alex Ferguson and the coach Rene Meulensteen at Manchester Unitedparticularly at the start of the attacker’s phenomenal 2007-08 season.“Don’t underestimate the importance of the manager, the father figure,” emphasised Meulensteen on the shaping of the then 22-year-old Ronaldo, “but it’s also about details.

That season we won the Champions League, at the beginning, Ronaldo was suspended for three games [after being sent off at Portsmouth], so I stayed behind to work with him. I knew what Ronaldo wanted. He wanted to be the best player in the world. I told him: ‘I can help you with that. There’s nothing wrong with your work ethic, it’s a wave pushing you forward.’ So I drew this diagram for him, pointing out his details as a player.“There’s the ‘tactical’ bit, awareness, understanding, decision-making. There’s the ‘physical’; everyone has his peak fitness, especially Ronaldo, his pace, strength, stamina and agility. There’s the ‘personality’, winning mentality and attitude. The last bit is ‘technical’, the basics, passing, shooting, moves, turns, and other skills to dominate the one to one. I asked Ronaldo: ‘Where are you good at?’ He said: ‘Skills.’ ‘OK, so with one-touch and two-touch play, plus the moves you have, will make you unpredictable and therefore very hard to defend against.’“Meulensteen addressed another issue. “I told him: ‘The problem is also your attitude and therefore your decision-making. At the moment you’re playing to put yourself into the limelight, to say “look at me, how good I am”. Therefore, Mr Ronaldo, you are doing a lot that doesn’t mean anything for your team-mates’. He accepted this. I said: ‘You need to score more goals. Targets, aims."Cristiano, I’ve looked at your goals last season, and you only scored 23 because you want to score the perfect goal all the time. ‘Look at me! Top corner!’ The most important individuals are the ones who elevate the team, not themselves. You think it’s the other way round. No, no, no. Elevate the team and the team will then elevate you.’”The Dutchman asked United’s No 7 to set a goal target. “Ronaldo said: ‘I think I can score between 30 and 35 goals.’ ‘OK,’ I said. ‘I think you can go over 40. This week, in these training sessions, I’m going to work on your way of finishing.’”They first discussed Ronaldo’s mindset when approaching goal. “I told him: ‘Look at Shearer, Lineker, Solskjaer and Van Nistelrooy: who say give me the ball, that goes in the back of the net.’“Ronaldo was focused more on the spectacular. “He was thinking: ‘That ball comes to me, I hit it top corner.’ I needed him to get out of that. I told him: ‘It doesn’t matter how you score, where you score, as long as the ball goes in the net.’” It was time to score ugly goals as well as beautiful ones.“We worked on positions, which zone he was in, 1 (in front of goal), 2 (to the sides) or 3 (further out). We worked on what type of finish. One-touch. Do you need to control it? Volley it. Pass it in. Side-foot it in. Chip it in. We worked on certain goalkeepers. Did they have a certain trend? It’s details. When [post-Ronaldo] we played Schalke away in the Champions League semi [in 2011], we knew that Manuel Neuer, a good goalkeeper, was like Peter Schmeichel and would come out with a star jump [spreading himself]. So we worked on finishes low to either side, low through the legs.’’ Ryan Giggs scored.Back in that early-season period at Carrington in 2007, Meulensteen and Ronaldo worked on different goalscoring scenarios every day but with one staple for each drill. “It was four repetitions, move on, four repetitions, move on,” Meulensteen explained. “That’s what I’ve learned from experience. People hold their concentration for 1 2 3 4 Bang.’’Ronaldo was educated to create an image of the situation and the desired outcome: “Where am I [position]? Where’s the ball coming from? Where’s the goalkeeper? Where’s the finish?” Meulensteen gave colours to the four corners of the goal. “Cristiano had his back to the goal. He had to shout which colour, green whichever, he was aiming for, so subconsciously working his brain. He knew his target in advance.’’By the end of January, Ronaldo had scored 27 for United. “You have to reset your target because you have already achieved it,’’ Meulensteen said to Ronaldo at Carrington. “You can now do two things, you can take your foot off the pedal, say ‘I’m happy with this’, or break your personal best and then you have March, April, May to come and that’s when these things are won.” Ronaldo was determined to continue his upward trajectory. “Now we worked on ‘attitude’,’’ continued Meulensteen.“I put a video together for him about top professionals like Muhammad Ali, Pele with little quotes from them. ‘Just have a look at this video,’ I told him, ‘I know you have a big TV. Read the clips. It will put you in good stead.’ There were little quotes about hard work and focus: focus on performance rather than outcome, focus on putting your qualities for the team and also body language. There were loads of times with Cristiano when he shrugged his shoulders, so I put a video clip together.”The clips were of Ronaldo’s body language. “Do you realise how important an impact body language and facial expressions have on the millions watching?’’ Meulensteen asked Ronaldo at Carrington one day. “What do you mean?’’ Ronaldo replied.Meulensteen continued: “Do you remember the goal you scored against Sporting [Lisbon on Nov 27, 2007] at home, the free-kick? You turned around to the camera, and did this [spreads hands out]? What were you trying to say? Sorry? Or were you trying to say ‘look at me, nobody else can do that’?’’One of United’s kit-men was present.“I asked him what he thought the gesture meant,” Meulensteen recalled.“I’m the best,” was the kit-man’s take on Ronaldo’s stance. So Meulensteen turned to Ronaldo and said: “That’s what the millions think. They look at you as arrogant. You do the same thing when you get hacked down, ‘ahhh’, toys out the pram: ‘You can’t kick me, I’m Cristiano Ronaldo.’ You need to learn to play football the way Bjorn Borg and Roger Federer play tennis. Ice-cold. The moment people stop kicking you is because they’ve found another way to stop you. You want people to kick you. You need to make sure you see it coming. Make sure you’re clever’.”It was back to the video-room. “I showed him clips of Johan Cruyff, an expert at avoiding tackles. He saw them coming, would change direction, and people would slide in front of him. I told Cristiano: ‘The most important thing is your facial expression, don’t react at all. Stand up, brush yourself off, and that defender thinks, ‘what can I do next?’ Overpower him with your qualities as a footballer, belittle him with your skill. You’re in control, not someone else.’“If you look back to the season, he was tremendous. He scored 42 goals. Look back to the Champions League final: he scored the header, fantastic, apart from one moment when he let himself down, the [missed] penalty. That’s when Ronaldo thought: ‘It all comes down to me, that’s what I want.’ What happens? He loses focus. I mentioned it to him afterwards but he knew.”So what of Bale’s arrival at the Bernabéu? “I don’t think it will affect him [Ronaldo] that much,” Meulensteen said. “In my opinion, Bale is nowhere near on the same level, absolutely not. Ronaldo is a far more complete player. Bale will still be important. He has time to settle in. It will make Real Madrid stronger, even more powerful. But if for whatever reason Bale came and Ronaldo would leave it would make Real Madrid weaker.”
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GHG

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Yurt said:
Arsenal are considering Fabio Quagliarella LOOOOL
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Fuck me you're not even joking...:

Arsenal have expressed an interest in signing forward Fabio Quagliarella from Juventus.

A number of clubs are monitoring the 30 year-old with Shakhtar Donetsk, West Ham, Sunderland and Norwich amongst them but the Gunners are desperate to bolster their attacking options.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...entus-forward-fabio-quagliarella-8789534.html
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We are looking at the same players as West Ham Sunderland and Norwich. Talk about scraping the barrel...

Just put a fucking £35m bid in for Benteke or something. This is ridiculous.
 
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omgkitty

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GHG said:
Fuck me you're not even joking...:



We are looking at the same players as West Ham Sunderland and Norwich. Talk about scraping the barrel...

Just put a fucking £35m bid in for Benteke or something. This is ridiculous.
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Orbinho &#8207;@Orbinho 3m

Higuain chance conversion (no pens) season 2011-12 43%, 2012-13 32% - Average Premier League striker 16%. Quagliarella 12/13 15% 11/12 11%
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Dude barely fucking scores in Italy, why would he want him in England? Italian strikers never succeed in England.
 
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Wilbur

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dc89 said:
It's interesting how's spurs are not deemed as "ruining football"
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:loooooooooooooooool you fucking mug

Spurs are about to make 100m Euros off one player, it would be absurd to not spend the money.

Now, the 100m you spent this summer, was it through player sales? Or bankrolled money?

Jesus Christ, what a weak argument.
 
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GHG

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omgkitty said:
Dude barely fucking scores in Italy, why would he want him in England? Italian strikers never succeed in England.
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Because he's a cheap striker of super super quality. He has title winning experience with Juventus, 25 caps for Italy and looks like this:

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Whats not to love?
 
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Gareth Bale

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Wilbur said:
:loooooooooooooooool you fucking mug

Spurs are about to make 100m Euros off one player, it would be absurd to not spend the money.

Now, the 100m you spent this summer, was it through player sales? Or bankrolled money?

Jesus Christ, what a weak argument.
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Thank you for saying this.
 
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dc89

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Wilbur said:
:loooooooooooooooool you fucking mug

Spurs are about to make 100m Euros off one player, it would be absurd to not spend the money.

Now, the 100m you spent this summer, was it through player sales? Or bankrolled money?

Jesus Christ, what a weak argument.
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Maybe our summer spend came to fruition by the countless corporate sponsorships this summer.
 
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