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Football Thread 2013/14 |OT6| Relentless gobbrish

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The_Hitcher89

Member
Zabojnik said:
Vidal: "Inter wanted me in 2011, but I picked Juve without even thinking about it. Contract extension? Torino is my home, my wife and kids love it here, they don't want to move. I'll sign whenever Marotta wants it."

THE MOTHERFUCKING KING IN THE NORTH.
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When world class players say this, put the new contract in front of them immediately.

Length of contract: ∞
 
Y

Yurt

il capo silenzioso
From the same interview

“I have received offers from other teams, but my family always plays a decisive role in the decisions I make,” he added.

“I see that my wife and my son are very happy in Turin. And then the value of Juventus is enormous.

“I have tattooed three stars and the two Scudetti won with Juventus because Italy is now in my heart, as is this club.”
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He's our D.Agger, isn't he?
 
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bjaelke

Member
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[...] Fulham have already used 17 different players in their three starting line-ups (no other club has used so many) and 11 of them have already celebrated their 30th birthday.
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http://www.sportingintelligence.com...h-as-hammers-and-fulham-help-the-aged-130901/
 
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kharma45

Member
Carbonox said:
Ordered a fuck-off curry yesterday evening. Went for a nap at 8 with the intention of getting up a couple of hours later. Ended up waking up an hour ago.

The shit that's been cooking in my stomach over that period of time out-gasses Syrian's chemical weapon stockpile.

Edit: fuuck it hurts and i think assads head just popped out looking for some new materials
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I know that feel. I was stuck on the toilet last night for much too long re-enacting Pompei. Didn't realise my bowels could hold so much liquid.
 
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Feorax

Member
So that's international break, manager of the month, and player of the month (both announced on Friday 13th).

All pretty good omens for Swansea to give us a good thrashing on Monday night...
 
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rvy

Banned
Alright you fuckers, whoever is buying PES 2014 on consoles should add me on both so that we can get some games and BAL online going.
 
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Lambda Pie

Banned
the sexism threads on gaming side are unbearable.

if they make a female protagonist, you'll bitch there's no homosexual protagonist. and if they make an homosexual protagonist, you'll bitch there's no transgender protagonist. or moan about the violence. or whatever shit you can find to nag about.
 
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KidA Seven

Member
Lambda Piscium said:
the sexism threads on gaming side are unbearable.

if they make a female protagonist, you'll bitch there's no homosexual protagonist. and if they make an homosexual protagonist, you'll bitch there's no transgender protagonist. or moan about the violence. or whatever shit you can find to nag about.
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The Street Fighter Vagina tax upsets me the most. Why should they have more health than a male character? Males are bigger. What do they expect? If the female SF characters were compared to an average male, they would have a point, but they're being compared to SF male characters.
 
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Lambda Pie

Banned
KidA Seven said:
The Street Fighter Vagina tax upsets me the most. Why should they have more health than a male character? Males are bigger. What do they expect? If the female SF characters were compared to an average male, they would have a point, but they're being compared to SF male characters.
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even among folks with same size.

Ronda Rousey is the 135lb champ in UFC and guess what? she got less power, less chin and less gas than the 135lb male champion, Renan Barão.

i didn't mind the threads initially when they were about under-representation of females in games but now they morphed into shoe-horning female protagonists into everyhitng, regardless of context and logic.

it's getting obnoxious.
 
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Carbonox

Member
Lambda Piscium said:
even among folks with same size.

Ronda Rousey is the 135lb champ in UFC and guess what? she got less power, less chin and less gas than the 135lb male champion, Renan Barão.

i didn't mind the threads initially when they were about under-representation of females in games but now they morphed into shoe-horning female protagonists into everyhitng, regardless of context and logic.

it's getting obnoxious.
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Agreed. GamingGAF is full of utter conks. OT GAF is just as bad in some regards.
 
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rvy

Banned
Carbonox said:
Agreed. GamingGAF is full of utter conks. OT GAF is just as bad in some regards.
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I refrain from posting in those threads any longer. It's always the same people, with the same half-assed arguments that then proceed to pull the sexist card on you, hide under their rhetoric and come up with ridiculous shit such as 50% of the World's population being female and devs marginalizing said population.
What does this even mean? It's not like the entire world is playing video games.

It's gotten to the point where it's silly.
 
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LTWheels

Member
KidA Seven said:
The Street Fighter Vagina tax upsets me the most. Why should they have more health than a male character? Males are bigger. What do they expect? If the female SF characters were compared to an average male, they would have a point, but they're being compared to SF male characters.
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I dislike this for gameplay reasons. I prefer fighting games where they have normalised health across the entire cast instead of balancing by health. Capcom seem to be the only company that does this with their fighting games.
 
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rvy

Banned
Fallacies everywhere. It's like me calling devs and the industry xenophobic because there's not a single Portuguese main character in video games.
And I can assure that if I used this argument, these same people that call you sexist, would tell me that I should be outraged that my country has zero representation in games.
 
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Linius

Member
At last I got my Netflix DNS stuff worked out. I can now switch between international Netflix services as much as I want :D
 
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Lambda Pie

Banned
LTWheels said:
I dislike this for gameplay reasons. I prefer fighting games where they have normalised health across the entire cast instead of balancing by health. Capcom seem to be the only company that does this with their fighting games.
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normalized health makes no sense. why would Chun-Li need to take as much damage as Zangief to get KOed?

if you normalize health then you normalize walk speed, damage, etc. it's ridiculous.
 
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Kenka

Member
rvy said:
Fallacies everywhere. It's like me calling devs and the industry xenophobic because there's not a single Portuguese main character in video games.
And I can assure that if I used this argument, these same people that call you sexist, would tell me that I should be outraged that my country has zero representation in games.
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Talking about that, there was a N64 3D fighting game in which the final boss was Swiss. The game was absolutely horrible btw.
 
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rvy

Banned
Kenka said:
No, I think it was whirlpool suplex. While bad, the game was incredibly addicting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighters_Destiny (there was probably some Portuguese guy in it too)
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There are nine regular characters in Fighters Destiny: Ryuji, a Japanese karate exponent; Abdul, a well-balanced fighter from Mongolia; Tomahawk, a professional wrestler from the United States; Meiling, a Chinese martial artist; a Japanese ninja with a massive catalog of special moves; Pierre, a French clown with a deceptive fighting style; Leon, an all-rounder from Spain; Bob, a powerful Brazilian fighter; and the tough aerial combat specialist Valerie from Germany.
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XENOPHOBES!

I AM OFFENDED!
 
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Walshy

Member
During the International break, I have been reading a lot about footballing academies lately mainly as it seems to be a topic discussed frequently in English press right now ever since Greg Dyke's speech about his future plans for the England national team and the notion that there is too many foreigners within the Premier League.

I came across this brilliant post on RAWK (which is a rarity in itself, but the Youth player thread is often littered with brilliant posts) and thought I'd share it. It's a really interesting read in defense of academies. A poster pointed out that Liverpool's academy has only flourished since Benitez revamped the system four years ago and brought in two former Barcelona coaches. The poster insisted that the trend on focusing on technical players is recent, although it's obviously bias towards Liverpool its a really good read for both Liverpool fans and other English clubs.

It's simplistic simply to credit that though. Jordan Rossiter would have been 11 when Segura and Borrell arrived, but all of the other kids who have made a mark had just as much development coaching under Piet Hamberg and even Heighway. Either that or they were bought in for elsewhere. Sterling, Suso, Ibe, Tricket-Smith and so on and so were all purchased and - save for a couple of games for Sterling, placed straight into the U18s. Wisdom was already an U18 by the time Segura and Borrell arrived. I'm not saying they didn't improve him, but most of these players were well along the way to being the players they were going to be by the time they arrived at Liverpool, and the ones live Robinson, Flanagan, Coady, Lussey, Dunn - these had just as much coaching at Liverpool from those before Segura and Borrell.

At the moment we're a pretty good finishing school for young players, and we'll actually give them a chance - which frankly isn't something to be underrated. Not sure you'd look at it as the FA and say "let's do that!" though... Well, they might, they're pretty easily led by popular opinion.

But on the professional footballers bit - Liverpool produced the most professional footballers before Segura and Borrell arrived. The problem was that most of them ended up in the lower leagues. They were producing professionals though. So here's a bit of devil's advocate for you - if the only players who come through are Sterling, Ibe, Wisdom, Suso and others we've bought in from elsewhere, while Flanagan, Coady, Robinson, Lussey et al go on to have careers at lower league clubs - what's changed, other than spending big on the best 16 year olds in the country?

This is the problem with judging youth players in this country. We would attribute all the recent success to Rafa and the Barcelona coaches - and they deserve plenty of credit - but they've been at the club four years. The club gets youngsters from the age of 9. We're talking about our U14s team. The real success of this is going to be played out over the next few seasons when we see what a difference this coaching has made to blank slates, rather than players who already have some idea of themselves. Everything I've read, from Ajax through to the New Zealand FA, suggests that the key ages for player development technically, are up to the age of 12. At Ajax they mostly scouted youngsters under the age of 12 based on their physical ability, knowing they were still young enough to develop the technique.

This is why debates on youth development are so stupid when played out in the media. We're told the Academies aren't producing the players they were supposed to, but most of the kids who went into the academy systems at the age of 9 are not 22/23. If - God forbid - you actually give them a little leeway to find their feet over the first couple of years. Look, players like Sturridge, Cleverley, Welbeck and Henderson (just off the top of my head) came through in those first years. They're the first year or so of the kids who had the full academy education. World beaters? Nah. Clearly very good players though. Two midfielders who are economical in possession and don't give the ball away cheaply, and an attacker who isn't afraid to attempt - and succeed - in trying some audacious things. And Daniel Sturridge.

You want to look at the players coming through the academy set ups from the young ages and you'll see this as a theme - Oxlade-Chamberlain, Zaha, Sterling, Shelvey, Redmond, Ince, Townsend, Barkley, even Sammy bloody Ameobi - academies have been developing attacking players who aren't afraid to be audacious. Who aren't scared taking their opponents on, or running with the ball, or attempting the audacious pass. Then look at the midfielders - Wilshere, Tom Carroll, Will Hughes, Ward-Prowse, Coady, Cleverley and Henderson as mentioned, Lussey, Rossiter, Loftus-Cheek, Lewis Baker, Alex Pritchard and so on and so on (I'm naming a lot of Liverpool players because I see them more, but there's no reason to think that it's not happening at Arsenal or Aston Villa or wherever). Academies are producing a technically good midfielders who don't give the ball away cheaply, who can and do receive the ball under pressure without losing possession, and can turn on the ball.

Problem is that most of them will end up out on loan in the lower divisions because there's too much money in the top flight for clubs to lean on their academies to make up a bulk of their squad. And without B-teams to give them an experience of professional football whilst keeping them at their parent clubs, that's a lottery. We've sent Coady away to a club who play him out of position, who sold their only #10 and have now been taken over.

The real problem with the academy set up though is that most clubs want their team to be attacking, to have the ball and play attractive football. They then send their players away with England, who hire the likes of Noel Blake, Stuart Pearce, Hodgson and, y'know what, even Capello. Coaches of massively differing abilities but who are all, ultimately, more preoccupied with shape and control of space than they are with what a player can do on the ball. So when the U20s go away to Turkey in the summer with James Ward-Prowse and Ross Barkley as part of their midfield - two players who have started the Premiership season really strongly - they're not being shown patterns of play when in possession, and working out how they bring their teammates into play. They're being shown where to drop back into when possession is lost. This is England. Small nation mentality, except even the smaller nations want to play like the bigger nations, so you get Iraq, Chile and Egypt turning up and wanting to pass the ball and control the game in possession against England. And they manage it. Meanwhile, every English player who Has been taught these principles day in day out at a their academies and now with their first teams... They're sitting in, keeping shape, watching the game play out in front of them.

Must be the academies fault.
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