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Football Thread 2013/14 |OT7| The Ramsey Effect

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Jack Wilshere: "We have to remember what we are. We are English and we tackle hard."

Xabi Alonso: "Tackling is a [last] resort, and you will need it, but it isn't a quality to aspire to, a definition."
 
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England just need to remember what makes them great.

JM7 - who else in world football does what he does, as good as he does it?

No one.
 
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Yenrot said:
Jack Wilshere: "We have to remember what we are. We are English and we tackle hard."

Xabi Alonso: "Tackling is a [last] resort, and you will need it, but it isn't a quality to aspire to, a definition."
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There's a similar quote from Pep or Busquets, forgot which. Either way.. who do you trust, Wilshere or Pep, Octopus of Badia and Alonso..
 
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Wilshere is correct that England shouldn't go scrabbling around trying to pick up whatever foreigners happen to have not been picked by their own countries. It's always felt a bit dodgy in cricket and rugby but at least those players are from the commonwealth and have a much greater connection to England
 
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sohois said:
Wilshere is correct that England shouldn't go scrabbling around trying to pick up whatever foreigners happen to have not been picked by their own countries. It's always felt a bit dodgy in cricket and rugby but at least those players are from the commonwealth and have a much greater connection to England
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As Yahoo said, what about John Barnes??? he was born and raised in Jamaica, should he have not played for England 79 times???
 
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Pogba ‘I adore the Bianconeri and don’t see myself with any other club. Conte is a real teacher, I couldn’t have asked for better’
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Full interview later on today
 
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2003 :lol
 
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Yenrot said:
Jack Wilshere: "We have to remember what we are. We are English and we tackle hard."

Xabi Alonso: "Tackling is a [last] resort, and you will need it, but it isn't a quality to aspire to, a definition."
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one is a world cup winner

and one is an arsenal player
 
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Must be hard for players with a brain and some cultural range to fit into teams populated with mud-brained divs like Wilshere.
 
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Bla, your new picture is bumming me out.

I just want to punch his stupid grinning face.

Why not Alaba? or someone else that's likeable.
 
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Shanks D Zoro said:
As Yahoo said, what about John Barnes??? he was born and raised in Jamaica, should he have not played for England 79 times???
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I should preface this by saying that I despise nationalism, nation states and generally find the whole idea that because you were born within some lines on a map as opposed to some other lines that your whole identity is different as completely absurd. To me nationality is a concept internal to the mind of each person, not some external force; no one contains some unique 'England molecule' which makes them English. Thus I consider nationality to be in the same realm as gender, something to be decided by the person themselves. A man who identifies himself with England or Britain, with its culture, with its people and who genuinely wants to play for them is English, to me. Barnes lived about 8 years in England and 13 in Jamaica, and whilst there may have been some cynicism on his part for me that is more than enough for him to decide he is English.

Contrast this with someone like Mikel Arteta. He is able to play for England basically because of his job. Maybe he feels some connection to the country, but he has never spoken of such. If he were to be selected for England and agreed to play, it would be purely for selfish reasons. Talented though he may be that kind of reasoning devalues the whole international system.

So that's kind of what I think about why Barnes is different from Januzaj.
 
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Shanks D Zoro

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rvy said:
ENGLISH PLAYERS TACKLE HARD!

But you are only truly Welsh if you grab your opponent by the balls.
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Great players don't even need to tackle. Nesta says he averaged one tackle every two games.

Gaetano Scirea did not get one red card in his career. Pure class.
 
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Shanks D Zoro said:
Great players don't even need to tackle. Nesta says he averaged one tackle every two games.

Gaetano Scirea did not get one red card in his career. Pure class.
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Those are not great players. Great players only exist in Engurando.

Not Horanda.

Engurando.

Let me grab your balls to prove how Welsh I am.
 
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sohois said:
I should preface this by saying that I despise nationalism, nation states and generally find the whole idea that because you were born within some lines on a map as opposed to some other lines that your whole identity is different as completely absurd. To me nationality is a concept internal to the mind of each person, not some external force; no one contains some unique 'England molecule' which makes them English. Thus I consider nationality to be in the same realm as gender, something to be decided by the person themselves. A man who identifies himself with England or Britain, with its culture, with its people and who genuinely wants to play for them is English, to me. Barnes lived about 8 years in England and 13 in Jamaica, and whilst there may have been some cynicism on his part for me that is more than enough for him to decide he is English.

Contrast this with someone like Mikel Arteta. He is able to play for England basically because of his job. Maybe he feels some connection to the country, but he has never spoken of such. If he were to be selected for England and agreed to play, it would be purely for selfish reasons. Talented though he may be that kind of reasoning devalues the whole international system.

So that's kind of what I think about why Barnes is different from Januzaj.
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But jack said only English born, so I was referring to that more than the Januzaj case, which I do not agree with.
 
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Mauro Camoranesi in 2006 "I feel Argentine but I have defended the colors of Italy, which is in my blood (great-grandfather), with dignity. That is something nobody can take away."

Is this the same? I don't know.

Blablurn said:
im going back to robben soon : D i just wanna pay some respect to CL runner up Klopp!
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They prefer double league winner :)
 
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Shanks D Zoro

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Yurt said:
Mauro Camoranesi in 2006 "I feel Argentine but I have defended the colors of Italy, which is in my blood (great-grandfather), with dignity. That is something nobody can take away."
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The Italian citizenship requirements are so fucking easy, even Messi can get citizenship tomorrow if he wanted.
 
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Shanks D Zoro said:
But jack said only English born, so I was referring to that more than the Januzaj case, which I do not agree with.
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No, he just says "English people", he doesn't specifically say English born. I would disagree if he insisted on English born. Perhaps he meant only those born in England but all the quotes I am saying just say "English people".
 
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Black Verratti's full interview

Paul Pogba has reflected on his future at Juventus, why he chose Serie A, how Milan was a possible turning point this term and on trying to beat Real Madrid.

The Frenchman has impressed in his opening work with the Bianconeri and has subsequently attracted speculation regarding his future.

“The fans of Juve are afraid of losing me? I am still not anyone. What have I done? Nothing in fact,” offered Pogba as reassurance in today’s edition of the Gazzetta dello Sport.

“I look to Pirlo and Buffon, and I know what it takes to be a true champion. Those two have won it all, they are greats, but they do not give an inch, even in training.

“Juve for life? Certain promises do not make sense, I will not kid anyone. How can I today determine my whole career? It makes no sense.

“And then I look at now and say that I am happy here in Turin, I love everything about this club - the managers, the Coaches, my teammates and the fans. And at the moment I do not see myself anywhere that isn’t Juventus.”

Pogba is into a second season with the Bianconeri having joined in 2012 after allowing his Manchester United contract to run down.

“Why did I choose Italy? Serie A is the university of football, especially at a tactical level. A midfielder who breaks through in Italy can really aspire to be the best in the world in his position.

“I said to myself: ‘Paul, Italy is the shortcut to a more secure breakthrough’. And then, of course, was the call of Juventus, one of the biggest clubs in the world…

“I am lucky and I lucked into Antonio Conte. I’m getting better every day. Conte works, hammers, he is not satisfied, hungry, and just wants to win.

“I could not ask for anything better as a teacher at this stage of my career. [France Coach Didier] Deschamps is also very similar to Conte.”

The midfielder considered his reference points in the game and at his current club.

“From the start my idol was Ricky Kaka, whilst I have modelled myself on two players - Yaya Toure and Abou Diaby, even in physical aspects. I am very similar to them.

“At Juve, Pirlo, Marchisio and Vidal are my references. In each training session I try to steal something from them.

“One can reach perfection with the technique of Claudio, the aggressiveness of Arturo and the brilliant and clean movement of Andrea.”

Juve are so far third in Serie A, two points behind leaders Roma.

“I have seen on TV the Giallorossi in particular, I have watched them, they are very strong, they have great players, but if we find our football then no-one can stop us.

“What are we still not getting right? We concede too many goals, often for our distractions, something that should not exist when you have the best defence in the world.

“Yes we are as strong as ever for who we have, this is a question of something in general. And to me it is clear - we need the Juve of last year, the one that went into the field to tear apart opponents, who hit and frightened everyone right from the start, that did not slow up for 90 minutes.

“We must wake up and immediately find the correct mentality - enough gifts, as you pay in the long run. But, I believe that we have…

“Indeed, after the 20 minutes where we were in trouble against Milan, in the League it may prove to be the right spark, the turning point of our season.”

In Europe, Juve are gearing up for a double-header against Real Madrid.

“We must pick up points against Real Madrid. I am not worried, we will beat Real Madrid at least once and advance from the group.

“We are Juve, we must never forget that. The history, prestige and quality of this club is not inferior to anyone. And for this reason I am not scared of Real Madrid.

“Juve are at the level of the largest clubs in Europe. We can win against Madrid.”

The 20-year-old was asked of his experiences with racism in Italy.

“The word ‘negro’ is badly used a little everywhere - in Italy, France, England, Spain and even in Africa there are forms of racism.

“Often it is sheer ignorance of people saying things that they do not understand. In general, however, it must be given high attention.

“Of course it is crazy to be here to talk about certain things in 2013. In the future I would like to become someone more credible in the fight against racism.”
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Loving the avatar Hixx.

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Small point on England's national team. Do you not the national football team should reflect english society. Face facts, 100% WASPS doesn't reflect England in 2013. Not saying foreign import should come in willy nilly, but we live in a multicultural society and I feel our national football team should reflect it.

far too political for a wednesday morning, off to lectures. Have a good day folks.
 
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Yurt said:
Abou Diaby, even in physical aspects. I am very similar to them
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The fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.

Two games a season in the future confirmed.

I love how humble the guy seems,

One can reach perfection with the technique of Claudio, the aggressiveness of Arturo and the brilliant and clean movement of Andrea.”
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He can achieve that.

Jupp said:
YES. Best left back in the world.
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I hate the cunt, but Cashley is still the best IMO. Nobody can match his defensive and attacking output.
 
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