Sanchez hnnng.
Maybe I don't have an eye for talent, but I just didn't see Sterling doing this. Like, it was obvious that he was talented but still... he's turned into one of the best youngsters in the world.
No it isn't :lol
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Sanchez hnnng.
KidA Seven
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Well you look at the figures you posted, and City are close to United. United and Woodward fiend for sponsors and have a huge fan base. How are city so close?
LvG hasnt made any signings so far, he signed off on those but they were there before and merely rubber stamped.
It will be very interesting to see who he actually signs and what impact they have.
Fat Shaw needs to impress then. I thought van Gaal wanted him because he was gone as soon as the wc started
brokenbeans
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God he still hasn't spent a penny has he?
PSG's figures are definitely inflated -- their deal with Qatari Tourism Authority is €200m a year which would of course make up about 80% of those figures. Officially, City have a few other partners beyond Etihad that are UAE-related: Etisalat (telecom company), TCA Abu Dhabi (tourism company), aabar (investment firm). I don't think we have a clue what these deals are worth. I know the summer tour photos and videos always have "http://visitabudhabi.ae/" somewhere which I assume is related to that TCA Abu Dhabi deal.
United's numbers will go up by at least €100m in a year or two due to the new kit and shirt deals.
KidA Seven
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Sterling bossed the u21s dribbling past defenders any time he wanted. What surprised me is that he translated that into the PL. Not because he didn't have the talent, but that the physical side of the adult game didn't hold his performances back. He was pushing older players around and that has helped him a lot. A lot of youngsters don't have that strength at a young age.
If you ignore those deals, I struggle to think how City managed to get so close to United. United having a large fan base that only Barca and Real Madrid can compete with and yet City are able to get deals worth a lot of money that rival United (prior to adidas deal). Surely companies would not put in so much money into City knowing that the fanbase is well behind Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, and United. Every deal City make should be less than a United deal. And when you factor in how many deals United have, I struggle to think something isn't dodgy about City's partnerships.
It's why we only signed a 5 year deal. If we maintain the current expenditure we're seeing in the transfer market and win a couple more league titles. I honestly believe we could reach United levels in the next 8-10 years.
Shanks D Zoro
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City are not gonna get much from non Abu dhabi related companies. The shirt sponsorship with Nike shows you the true value of the club. City are getting less than we did from Nike and they just signed that contract.
Yes. YES!
You should revel in the fact that City are as crooked as a fiddler's elbow instead of trying to fight it.
But how do value something that is unique?
Thats an awful lot of "ifs" there D:
The_Hitcher89
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I'd argue that Liverpool are doing okay commercially, and when it comes to making the brand grow, considering that we haven't won the league for 24 years, and have been out of the CL for 5
@Salva, Sterling was boss for the youth/reserve teams, and a bit average when he came into the first team, with a dip in Rodger's first season. Then he got stuck in a 'too good for the youngsters, not good enough for the first team' rut for a few months, but was given another chance and hasn't looked back
@Salva, Sterling was boss for the youth/reserve teams, and a bit average when he came into the first team, with a dip in Rodger's first season. Then he got stuck in a 'too good for the youngsters, not good enough for the first team' rut for a few months, but was given another chance and hasn't looked back
KidA Seven
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I count 29 United sponsors on the website. 12 more than City while getting more money out of those sponsors.
United: €177.9
City: €166.9
No way are City undervalued.
True but I don't see why it would be an issue now that we're bringing in the commercial revenue a club of our status deserves. We were really hamstrung by those long term financial deals we signed to finance the Emirates stadium costs.
Its just, you cant expect to go from nothing for 8 years, an FA cup and now "Well we could win a few titles over the next decade". Its certainly possible but even at Uniteds peak when we were 1-2 every season I was warey of saying we could do this, and this was when the league was between 1-2 people every year. The league is so much more dynamic now, so much more competition. Hell I dont think we will win a title for at least 2 years. I will appreciate the fuck out of it when we do though
Soldado and Lennon, and Kane finding form
no sweat
Kane is genuinely good and will be a top player, you'll see. He's had a very good pre-season and is already better suited to the PL than Soldado will ever be.
KidA Seven
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Enjoy Demetri Mitchell.
Shanks D Zoro
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By comparing it to other contracts and taking into account the history of the club., 12 million a year from Nike which is less than Arsenal, Chelsea, United, and Liverpool as well as a host of European clubs shows what Kit suppliers valued the club at when there was fair competition.
Its just, you cant expect to go from nothing for 8 years, an FA cup and now "Well we could win a few titles over the next decade". Its certainly possible but even at Uniteds peak when we were 1-2 every season I was warey of saying we could do this, and this was when the league was between 1-2 people every year. The league is so much more dynamic now, so much more competition. Hell I dont think we will win a title for at least 2 years. I will appreciate the fuck out of it when we do though
I don't think Arsenal fans think the FA Cup win is going to be the catalyst to is winning things. Our ability to spend every summer is.
I still have this weird feeling that Soldado will have really great season this time around.
I know its hilarious but it can still happen.
The_Hitcher89
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Have to consider the amount of time Wenger has left as well, and how smooth the transition to a new manager will be
How long is his contract now, 3 years?
You are spending against City, United, Chelsea, Liverpool and if you want the big buys Real , Bayern and Barca (gimped as they will be next window).
Im even worried for United D:
Shanks D Zoro
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I think the FA Cup was huge. It gives players belief and hunger and true champions like Fergie know that winning breeds winning.
I think he has another 5 years left, at least.
Also think he will put a lot of effort into making sure it is a smooth transition.
Can't see him pulling a Fergie and selecting a successor because he is French.
Fuck you.
Its just, you cant expect to go from nothing for 8 years, an FA cup and now "Well we could win a few titles over the next decade". Its certainly possible but even at Uniteds peak when we were 1-2 every season I was warey of saying we could do this, and this was when the league was between 1-2 people every year. The league is so much more dynamic now, so much more competition. Hell I dont think we will win a title for at least 2 years. I will appreciate the fuck out of it when we do though
I think 3 titles over a 10 year span is achievable.
I didn't say ALL of our deals are, I just though the stadium/shirt one was. Viva put forth some figures that made it look like it's probably about in line with the current market, although I'm sure it will be undervalued in a few years towards the end of the deal.
For what it's worth, City only lists the UK or global partners on the primary site. There are a lot of companies not listed because they are not relevant or may be in the similar space as a UK-based one (which is unique to the UK).
Shanks D Zoro
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Wenger should have no say in it because he will pick a Frenchmen.
m8 pls understand
Stop.
Shanks, I agree it is huge, but being able to spend 40mil on a player every summer is bigger.
He's had an OK pre-season but I'm still not impressed. Both he and Kane scored from very similar chances against Celtic but whereas Harry calmly lashed home first-time, Soldado took a shit touch towards the keeper, hit it straight at him and had to get the rebound. He makes it too easy for defenders/keepers to stop him scoring.
Shanks D Zoro
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How is the stadium/shirt deal undervalued? City are making over double the amount Arsenal are and even more than Bayern Munich.
KidA Seven
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We took Shaw so it's only fair that you take someone
that has no relation to every United fan apart from Lega
Those numbers are old.
Shanks D Zoro
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city make 40 million a year from Etihad we make around 17 million a year from Emirates IIRC
Arsenal are getting £30m a year from Emirates.. think that includes both shirt and stadium but it's hard to say since the shirt sponsorship is significantly shorter than the stadium sponsorship. Bayern get £25m a year from DT but in general their sponsorship deals are a little more complicated due to the fact some of their sponsors own significant portions of the club.
The CFA is a beauty. Almost there.
I don't think Soldado will do much better but he can't do any worse. It looks like things clicked for Lamela though.. I have a feeling he'll have a very good season. Has certainly looked bright in their preseason at least.
amazing :')
New Emirates deal is 30 a year for next 5 years.
Same with Puma.
City's deal is like 12m a year with Nike.
Broder Salsa
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That all I can get out of this too.
They have survived every backlash so far, and even if they did it people would still go and the money would still keep coming in.
Im surprised they havent done it already tbh.
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