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Rumours today Everton want him for 8m
I know Cola already mentioned it, but just to reiterate its the Asian market which Chevrolet is targeting with its United sponsorship.
The_Hitcher89
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He's genuinely not better than Osman
Diablo Rosso
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Well General Motors, who own Chevrolet, also own Vauxhall who is their main UK manufacturer. I'd guess the Chevrolet deal is for Asia.
Vivalaraza
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The guy who signed the Chevrolet deal got sacked...so I'm not sure they're too happy about it.
There was a great article that I totally forgot who wrote, its probably from the Times, that came around when LvG was having a dig at the schedule of our current tour. The article went into alot of detail about our obligations over the next few years, re-visiting Asia is one of them, im not sure its contractual but its mutually understood that all of our sponsors want us to go back there. They name checked Chevrolet, Addidas and our Watch sponsor.
Mr.Marston
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The level is that the club is considered one of the top clubs in the world. Whether or not you agree with that is fine, I'm not going to argue with someone about it. But it is the case -- certainly a top 10 club worldwide in terms of status and name recognition in 2014. If your figures are accurate, then you're right -- it's probably not undervalued and just about fair market price. The Chevy deal for United's shirt and their Adidas deal will definitely lead to higher values across the board of top tier teams though.
Paying Everton £8m to take him is a bargain.
KidA Seven
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Take it and run.
Vivalaraza
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Point was simply that City's commercial revenue is not undervalued in any way, it's way over valued and we can guess why. Same as PSG. Two clubs who have suddenly started to make as much/more money than Bayern/Madrid/Barca/United.
It's obviously not this straightforward, but it always annoyed my that just as Liverpool fell out of the CL and we were getting better as a club, City had an incredible cash injection. Who knows, maybe without City ahead of us every season from 10/11, we could have been in the CL most seasons. Maybe we could have held on to Modric or Bale a little longer.
No, it's a culmination of things like his performances, minutes on the pitch, adaptation to the role and things like that.
The_Hitcher89
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I wish I could blame them fully, but we were legit dogshit for 4 years and didn't deserve to be anywhere near the CL spots
KidA Seven
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Young has a spot no matter what. He's our starting wingback unless Valencia and fat Shaw destroy everyone in their path.
PowderedToast
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constant brand exposure has an effect on your subconscious. even if the affiliation is small or never really shows itself, it's still there. there's a multitude of benefits to having your brand advertised and very few drawbacks.
Based Soriano. I was laughed at when I said he would do for us what he did for Barca. It's happening...
Well we have been there. But we came back.
He may never get back into the first team
Money well spent.
But hey, if Young can do the work he's being paid a ton to do, that works out for United doesn't it?
Vivalaraza
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Young has a couple of years on his contract yet. Doubt they will take about renewals until further into the season assuming he is doing well.
I do think he has done enough to survive the chop though. Fair enough, he has buckled down and done well in pre-season in the games and in training by all accounts.
I do think he has done enough to survive the chop though. Fair enough, he has buckled down and done well in pre-season in the games and in training by all accounts.
It's just a long-term advertising deal really. I don't think they necessarily expect someone to buy their car (well, Chevy may after they paid so much), fly on their airline or drink their beer because it's on a certain team's shirt -- but it's about keeping the brand in the public consciousness and putting it in front of eyeballs. Realistically, most people would never be able to afford to fly on Emirates or Etihad, so they'd never hear of these companies at all without their sports sponsorship deals.
In the US, a company has to pay like $4m or so for 30 seconds of ad time during the Super Bowl. Since it's important to get it right, maybe they spend another $1-2m on conceptualizing and developing the ad. So that's $4-5m for 30 seconds because maybe 100 million Americans are watching. The reach of a football team throughout the world is pretty significant.
Thought he was on his final year like Clevs.
Been impressed by him.
Hopefully his cheating will be beat of him by LvG too.
It does but it would be another indictment on our transfer policy, spending close to 60m on two players in 2 years that cant get into the team.
We really really need to be better in the market.
I wish I could blame them fully, but we were legit dogshit for 4 years and didn't deserve to be anywhere near the CL spots
The only thing that gives me hope is that you were dogshit for 4 years and then turned in to monsters last year. Sure, you had Suarez, but we have Soldado, so it's kinda the same.
The only thing that gives me hope is that you were dogshit for 4 years and then turned in to monsters last year. Sure, you had Suarez, but we have Soldado, so it's kinda the same.
Suarez and one of the best young English prospects since Rooney, and Sturridge finding form.
Shaw will be a fine signing. Just need to adapt to the system and get on the managers good side. Fellaini is a failure and needs to go for his own same as much as United's.
Shanks D Zoro
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Those Arsenal numbers are off seeing as we are now on 30/17 for puma/emirates plus whatever else we have.
And those Man City numbers are a joke, way over market value just like PSG.
And those Man City numbers are a joke, way over market value just like PSG.
But we still got Mata out of last season
Partial credit
Only credit
And LvG loves him too
Would he ever play Shinji and Mata in the same team with our current formation? Probably not
Think, if anything, we're undervalued.
Our commercial team should really be doing more given out global appeal. The crowds on the Asian tour, for example, were insane.
Vivalaraza
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But we still got Mata out of last season
Partial credit
Only credit
And LvG loves him too
Would he ever play Shinji and Mata in the same team with our current formation? Probably not
I think there's scope for Kagawa playing as "number 6" or "number 8" in Van Gaal speak. I reckon that's what Van Gaal hopes for anyway. Not sure it would work though. He just looks so much better playing in his favoured role. Some of his touches and passes have been really good on the tour. I hope they keep him - we need him to sell the Uniqlo shirts.
Soldado and Lennon, and Kane finding form
no sweat
When Lennon first started to get good I thought he would be a talisman for England in generations to come, what in gods named happened? Also Kane was alright I thought. Soldado is your special teams player, sub him on for the penos.
So that means Shaw has started one game this tour
He may never get back into the first team
Awwwwwwwwww yiss
Shanks D Zoro
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The truth is that we fucked up big by going a decade without winning. Had we been winning we would have had a lot more value to us.
Hopefully, during this 5 year period with Puma we go back to winning and can have a bidding war. Nike saw little value in paying us more despite being their 3rd best shirt seller.
Would he ever play Shinji and Mata in the same team with our current formation? Probably not
Unless they can sign an absolute beast of a CM behind them, nope, it's not going to happen =(
Shaw is young, and heck, I wouldn't be surprised if LVG very cunningly changed the focus on him from filling the big starter LB hole left by Evra, to fight for a place with young in a new position, which he can absolutely do.
I's a different kind of pressure for such a young player, but I think one that can in the end be easier to fight through for him.
Or maybe he is just fat. He'll be fine either way, he's jsut a little lost at LWB atm.
That's not accurate about City for what it's worth. Here are the figures from the 12/13 season per Deloitte (I sorted them by the top 10 from glancing through the list):
PSG: €254.7
Bayern Munich: €237.1
Madrid: €211.6
United: €177.9
Barcelona: €176.8
City: €166.9
Liverpool: €114
Dortmund: €109
Chelsea: €97.9
AC Milan: €96.2
City have a lot of commercial partners. The club is following the model that Soriano ran at Barcelona (and that United operate under). It seems silly to add an official life insurance partner in Indonesia and who knows what else, but if it gets you another €1-2m a year then so be it. If Arsenal and Chelsea made the effort, they could grow their non shirt/stadium sponsorship deals significantly too as they have the cache.
Nike is a strange one.
Considering the clients they have lost, United/Arsenal/others, I'd imagine they are not investing as much in the footballing side of things.
KidA Seven
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There's no way City should be making more than Liverpool or Chelsea. Those clubs are a lot bigger overseas. Just look at shirt sales.
Shanks D Zoro
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How much of that is not family owned companies giving Man City over inflated contracts? Plus everyone knows PSG contracts are a fucking joke
The_Hitcher89
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Shanks D Zoro
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One of the rumours of why they didn't want to pay us more and pulled out is because they were gonna focus on locking down United, but then United had a shocking year and then Adidas blew them out and every other contract in history out of the water.
Had they known about Adidas, I am sure they would have offered us more, but we should have been winning more to give them more of an incentive.
Jack Wilshere was the best since Rooney. Only English player good enough for Barca, until injuries derailed his progress.
This is just as much an indictment on Liverpool and Chelsea as it is on City.
He coasted on his pace and being able to beat a high line of defenders. The better we got as a team, the further back teams defended. It meant he had to play in front of a defence, and had no room to get around them. His crossing was always weak, and something he never got better at, same with his shooting. The errors and issues he had as a kid that you thought he could train through, he never did, so he never grew as a player.
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