Milchmonster
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Shit, I remember that. Makes sense now, but I just thought he needed time for himself back then...
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Football Thread 2015/16 |OT| The Great American Sport
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Amen to that, a horrible shitty disease.
bonesmccoy
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Steverulez
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From B Rod to J Klopp, what an upgrade, I bet Liverpool fans think they're dreaming or something
He wasn't a bad manager, but some of his decisions were just not logical, like playing a lone striker when it did not fit with the material he had. As for him being a slumlord, that has nothing to do with anyone's business
The_Hitcher89
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B-Rod fell apart when he abandoned both philosophies that had made it feel like we were on the right track
Swansea-type possession play - Wasn't massively effective, but we had a direction we were going in, it was okay to watch and you could see it would work much better with a few tweaks to the personnel. Backed up by a great January window, which saw our form massively improve.
Balls-out attacking - Ridiculously exciting, effective in attack while shite at the back, not obsessed with controlling games but there was a flow to our attacking play, everyone in that front 6 knew what one-another was doing.
After that, it's just been a mess. Lost Suarez which obviously had a massive impact, but instead of even trying to replace him with someone who could take his place in the system, Rodgers (and the committee?) threw the baby out after selling the bathwater, and we ended up with no philosophy whatsoever. 11 players just smashed together in hope rather than expectation.
Had a brief revival when we changed to the back 3, but our attacking play was still massively basic and clanky, akin to hitting our heads against a brick wall until eventually dislodging a brick.
Once teams figured out how to play against that though, we tanked again, and went into a downward spiral due to the cloud of negativity around the place, and frankly incredible lack of fortitude throughout the squad.
While we're not unsalvagably off the pace in the league this season, there's been very little to indicate that much has changed from last year in these aspects. Which is clear when you look at our results over the last 6 games.
In 5 of them, we've taken the lead and lost it, ending the match 1-1. In all 5 of those, we have been playing against teams where there is no excuse for scoring less than two. Sion, Norwich, Carlisle ffs. Everton are a good team and we were away, but 3 of their back 4 were second choice, and they played in a way that should have given us numerous chances on the counter.
Our attacking play was essentially broken over the last 15 months or so, and Klopp (hopefully) will have a tough job on his hands to fix that quickly enough for us to have a good season, bearing in mind that we don't have the individual quality in attack any more to essentially sacrifice whatever defensive solidity we have.
I like Rodgers and thought there was a small chance of him turning things around right to the end, but there's no denying that he got most things badly wrong in the last 15 months.
Swansea-type possession play - Wasn't massively effective, but we had a direction we were going in, it was okay to watch and you could see it would work much better with a few tweaks to the personnel. Backed up by a great January window, which saw our form massively improve.
Balls-out attacking - Ridiculously exciting, effective in attack while shite at the back, not obsessed with controlling games but there was a flow to our attacking play, everyone in that front 6 knew what one-another was doing.
After that, it's just been a mess. Lost Suarez which obviously had a massive impact, but instead of even trying to replace him with someone who could take his place in the system, Rodgers (and the committee?) threw the baby out after selling the bathwater, and we ended up with no philosophy whatsoever. 11 players just smashed together in hope rather than expectation.
Had a brief revival when we changed to the back 3, but our attacking play was still massively basic and clanky, akin to hitting our heads against a brick wall until eventually dislodging a brick.
Once teams figured out how to play against that though, we tanked again, and went into a downward spiral due to the cloud of negativity around the place, and frankly incredible lack of fortitude throughout the squad.
While we're not unsalvagably off the pace in the league this season, there's been very little to indicate that much has changed from last year in these aspects. Which is clear when you look at our results over the last 6 games.
In 5 of them, we've taken the lead and lost it, ending the match 1-1. In all 5 of those, we have been playing against teams where there is no excuse for scoring less than two. Sion, Norwich, Carlisle ffs. Everton are a good team and we were away, but 3 of their back 4 were second choice, and they played in a way that should have given us numerous chances on the counter.
Our attacking play was essentially broken over the last 15 months or so, and Klopp (hopefully) will have a tough job on his hands to fix that quickly enough for us to have a good season, bearing in mind that we don't have the individual quality in attack any more to essentially sacrifice whatever defensive solidity we have.
I like Rodgers and thought there was a small chance of him turning things around right to the end, but there's no denying that he got most things badly wrong in the last 15 months.
oipic
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Just de-lurking for a moment to say that this is a terrific post, Hitcher, thanks - perfectly sums up where Rodgers went wrong, and how it unraveled for him (and the team), and our current predicament, I reckon. I wholeheartedly agree on all points.
I was hoping that the arrival and presence of Gary McAllister, who had obviously been on board briefly in what were more Liverpool-like times, might've had more of an influence on Rodgers tactically, and perhaps philosophically. Perhaps that was clouded by my rose-tinted glasses though, and there's only so much Gary Mc could influence in this short period of time, I suppose.
I can't help but feel a bit sad about how it all turned out. I really admired BR's energy and vision early in his tenure - it's a shame it couldn't endure, but in the end, his position was untenable. The whole feel of the place seems to have been odd in recent months.
The owners and directors need to take their (very large) share of accountability for this, too - I hope a thorough review is (or has been) undertaken, and some harsh lessons learned.
Bring on the Klopp era - it won't be dull, one way or another!
My mum was diagnosed with alzheimers about 3 years ago and yeah there are drugs that can slow it down slightly if its diagnosed early enough.
Also, unfortunately they can cause some pretty unpleasant side effects.
Milchmonster
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That's clearly Joko
I stand corrected.
Milchmonster
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Se7enSword
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If you can't beat'em, join'em
This is actually pretty good. Pep will extend, Ancelotti to Chelsea.
Well much like anyone else from Dortmund I guess....
The_Hitcher89
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Hold me Milch
Liverpool vs Dortmund, CL Final 2017
Liverpool vs Dortmund, CL Final 2017
Milchmonster
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I'd be all for that of course :lol
I'll wonder if Kloppo will go for some BVB players next summer. Hummels or Gündogan probably don't want to go to Liverpool and I think Micky is happy to be away from Klopp after two rather shitty seasons for him. I could see Klopp going for Subotic, would be a great and probably rather cheap addition for your squad. Although Subotic could end up staying when Hummels leaves.
Edit: Maybe Bender as well, Tuchel doesn't seem to rate him too highly as DM.
The_Hitcher89
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Subotic makes a lot of sense for everyone as long as he's currently out of the team for reasons other than being irreversibly shit. We've already got that in Lovren
Clyne Subotic Sakho Moreno
I like that, depending on Moreno carrying his improvement at wingback over to fullback
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-committee-recommends-suspending-sepp-blatter
Blatter looks like getting a 90 day suspension.
Platini also in trouble.
Blatter looks like getting a 90 day suspension.
Platini also in trouble.
The_Hitcher89
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So close, yet so far
How many players do you think he will get rid off?
Where do you think Hummels will go?
Milchmonster
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Tuchel just prefers Sokratis at the moment. Subotic needs a few more games after his injuries but he's fine.Subotic makes a lot of sense for everyone as long as he's currently out of the team for reasons other than being irreversibly shit. We've already got that in Lovren
Don't know. Real, Barca, United, who knows.
The_Hitcher89
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Mignolet, Lovren and Toure are fucked
Expect a lot more to leave when they are demoted. Skrtel, Allen, Lucas, Lallana probably. None of them have age/potential on their side. Coutinho, Henderson and sturridge are the only players in the squad who I'm absolutely sure he'll want to keep, and in sturridge's case that depends on his injuries being at least somewhat behind him
Still can't believe the prices you paid for our players.
The_Hitcher89
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I can't believe what a coward Lallana is
I thought we were getting someone who wants to be on the ball all the time, but he's petrified of it
I won't celebrate until he's officially announced, I expect Bayern to be lurking around for him so it may yet not happen.
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davidcotton
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What the hell's the point of a 90 day suspension NOW?! What does he have to do to finally go.
I can't believe what a coward Lallana is
I thought we were getting someone who wants to be on the ball all the time, but he's petrified of it
Always been the same. He was lucky when he played for Saints he was the main guy, but he still wimped out of challenges and lost the ball a lot. I doubt he could get in our team now. As for Lovren...
PowderedToast
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when the quality fell last year and the media turned on rodgers, I don't think he had the strength of personality, conviction or experience to stick to his guns. and a compromised coach who is primarily concerned for his job will never work. he had one chance before it all went sour and missed the target by the finest of margins. after that, the consequences of his over-promotion became evident
klopp will surely go through a difficult patch, but he can always point to what he's accomplished. if you don't have that, the liverpool job will just eat you up, imo
klopp will surely go through a difficult patch, but he can always point to what he's accomplished. if you don't have that, the liverpool job will just eat you up, imo
bonesmccoy
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Yea, BR didn't have the CV to handle a regression. Probably the last time FSG hires a guy whose greatest accomplishment is a promotion.
WhateverItTakes
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Hope Klopp understands Sakho's glory like Brendan never did. Maybe Flanno will impress him when he comes back. But yeah, the players are gonna have to adjust to a new pecking order. Interesting times
Don Draper's Hat
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And let's be honest, that was mostly down to Roberto Martinez's work...
The_Hitcher89
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Gets Swansea promoted: Martinez's work
Has a very good first season in the PL: Martinez's work
Completely unexpected title challenge: Suarez's work
Nonsense.
Has a very good first season in the PL: Martinez's work
Completely unexpected title challenge: Suarez's work
Nonsense.
I remember when a year ago I posted some gif where Thiago was doing an incredible trick. One day later he was injured again lol
Feels bad man
Don Draper's Hat
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Terrible job at Reading: Rodgers' work.
ohyouagain
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#Ribérunderagegate will forever follow him.
I am really looking forward to having him back along Robben
With Co-Co and Robbéry, Bayern will be unstoppable, 70's Ajax-style.
I am really looking forward to having him back along Robben
With Co-Co and Robbéry, Bayern will be unstoppable, 70's Ajax-style.
Coldnoodle
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Shit
Shit
Ribery is alive
Where did his legs go
he hasnt done any sports since march
and for weeks they told him not to move his legs
its crazy
Milchmonster
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Ribery's looking very good actually.
It took Gündogan and Götze only a few months to get fat.
It took Gündogan and Götze only a few months to get fat.
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