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Vivalaraza
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They're completely different. I actually think Dembele + Carrick would be brilliant for us, as a combination think that works wonderfully.
I am a big Carrick fan and generally prefer midfielders that can dictate so I would pick Carrick with alot of bias but Dembele is a smashing player and would be an asset to any team. I wish we signed him.
He played that game with a half broken foot. Hero <3
Say hello to your new God.
Powell looks... weird there.
Gerrard's looked knacked at many points this season, but still maintains the ability to pull out worldie passes and killers set pieces, as well as driving the team forward sporadically like he did today for our goal.
I'm a fan of having him in the midfield despite his frailties, as long as we have energy and pressing around him. That's why Henderson works so well, because he's physically imposing and quick to press over the first 10 yards. Should've started today, probably will in our next game.
Lucas was poor today, too. Need to find consistency in our midfield as soon as possible, if we want to stabilise our performances.
That's the problem.
If we just take Cleverley for what he is, at this moment, he's the most promising English midfielder after Wilshere, and that's a compliment.
If he could get a season long loan somewhere next season I think he'll be ready the year after, although tbh I'd have no problem trying him out in a few games this year as a sub and gradually working him in.
I'd love to see a few pieces when he retires properly heralding him for his time with us. He's a fantastic player, he really is. There's been moments at the start of seasons where he's played pretty poorly, but I've always kept the faith.
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He's injured at the moment I think.
This is awesome right now it really is RedCafe. Everyone else fuck off.
When we buy K-Strootz our midfield options will be: Strootman, Carrick, Cleverley, Anderson, Fletcher (?).
Hmm. It's alright. If Pogba was in the mixer it would be ideal. God damn you Pog, why did you do it.
Anybody could have dominated Liverpool in that first half. If Carrick dominates Real Madrid, I will tip my hat to the lad. There's a good reason why Liverpool are 8th.
Average is probably unfair(trolling of course). He's a good player but world class is a tag that gets thrown around a lot. He certainly would not be in the shopping list of top tier European teams.
Average is probably unfair(trolling of course). He's a good player but world class is a tag that gets thrown around a lot. He certainly would not be in the shopping list of top tier European teams.
He wanted to play games.
As I've always said you can't blame Pogba when he was constantly being overlooked and having Giggs playing ahead of him, I'd be pretty fucked off too.
True, He's 30 now I think.
Can't think of any young english DM's that could play in the next World Cup. Hendo isn't really a DM type of player is he?
Powell's got a shot on him. Hopefully he doesn't end up like the other united player who had a decent shot on him. Now he's carrying Everton into the CL.
But then neither was Arteta; it took years for him to be picked up by Arsenal. I think its just the type of player he is. You'll never see Lucas going off to Barcelona I think, because the job he does is pretty unheralded.
What did someone say after Perez let Makelele go, something about losing what made them work or something? I can't remember, but Makelele joined Chelsea for relatively cheap when they weren't a big club, and only started getting noticed when he was about to leave.
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I know you can't blame him I just wish he stayed.
We need to buy 2 CM's I still think. I'm taking Scholes, Giggs and Fletcher out the equation.
Leaves us with 3. Strootman and Fat Frank is what it'll be.
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I know what you're saying but what you're asking of him there is unrealistic. How many players dominate Real Madrid? This season might not be the best example but last year Xavi and Iniesta just about managed it.
Carrick has looked good against this leagues best teams. That makes him a very capable player at the very least.
Only Wilshere in the forward positions IMO.
Edit - Sterling too actually. He will be a player.
I think we need one or potentially two centre backs, two centre midfielders, and a winger. Zaha's the only one looking likely atm, I'd love Strootz, Lampard can fuck off, and we should try for Yanga-Mbiwa.
Me too
Maybe if we can get Fergie to do a cover version of this about him he might come backhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWJrPzAUzAs
It faded a long time ago.
Only because of his age.
Carrick's controlling games this season like Alonso was in 09. Not saying he's as good a player, I doubt even United fans would say that, but in terms of his contribution to a title winning side (probably), he's been top tier.
Because Real Madrid aren't offering £30 million doesn't mean he isn't world class, I think this season (and parts of last) he has been. I also think Gareth Barry's similarly underrated; he acted as the lynchpin for a team that won the premier league, yet people treat him like he's shit on their shoe.
There's a reason Rafa wanted Gareth Barry: whilst like Carrick he may not be as good as Alonso overall (and specifically Alonso post 08), but he can function in the same role as Alonso to a standard required to dominate games consistently, and enable a team to win titles, and competitions.
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I'm not trolling.
Well apparently Arsenal want him too right?
But probably cos he's not actually that good.
Wenger is happy with Gervinho.
And you already have Chamberlain.
And Zaha is being over hyped.
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I thought Carrick was bad the first quarter of the season. He has picked it up since then and is back to last year's form though. The first half was the best I have seen him play all year.
Edit: After seeing Shinji's touches, I don't see how you can differentiate his play from Cleverley. I thought both played well, and kept things ticking. Carrick however, was a monster.
Edit: After seeing Shinji's touches, I don't see how you can differentiate his play from Cleverley. I thought both played well, and kept things ticking. Carrick however, was a monster.
I'd take Lampard. One of the best midfielders i've seen, especially with all the goals he scores, even now. Would be great to bring off the bench and grab a goal.
I remember him smashing a worldie against Arsenal, and that's about it.
He won't come to us to sit on the bench though if he doesn't want to do that with Chelsea. Massive wages, taking up a spot in the team or on the bench that could be used for a younger midfielder in a style we actually need.
Where would we rate Chamberlain on the Wilshere scale?
To take the penalties, you mean.
NEVER SIGNING A CM.
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Van Persie scored a ridic goal that match too.
That's when all the teams playing today were class.
And City were shit.
Good days.
Walcott/10
Different players, but I hear he wants to play centre midfield, and in that respect I rate him 0 Wilsheres out of 10.
As a winger he's 5 Walcott's out of 10.
Scholes and Giggs playing in the same match isn't a good combination anymore. They're most benficial when coming on as a sub.
Arsenal were still bottlers though. They'd just never realise it until late on in the season.
Vivalaraza
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Well behind IMO. I really don't think Chamberlain is that great. Honestly I put him closer to Cleverley/Welbeck than Wilshere.
Maybe I've got it all wrong but I just don't see the special talent. Sometimes players suddenly kick on and start to impress so maybe that will happen to him but I'm underwhelmed almost everytime by him.
I'm so sure we will sign him. So sure. It's gonna suck when we don't.
Apparently Wenger likes to play newer players on the wing so they can "play across the pitch" or something. Personally, I think he will transition into a midfielder eventually.
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