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Football Thread |OT14| Only Wilbury's belly is smoother than BAAAYEEERNs season
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Meus Renaissance
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We finished four points behind United to put it into perspective.
I feel like we should have won it perhaps because it was the first time since Highbury that we produced some consistency and did so playing the best football (imo yet again). It was certainly our best side arguably since 04/05. We messed it up that year with four back to back draws late in the season, allowing Utd to go above us in the league. It was the classic implosion, whereas Utd just kept winning. Before this we probably were favourites in the eyes of many. But if you compare our results with that of United's, they were almost identical beyond that March period where we drew 4 games in a row.
And then of course that Anfield game in Europe with the cruel twist at the end.
Basically: don't fuck up at with that ridiculous game at Birmingham, don't fuck up in one of the various draws and we win the league. Liverpool CL match refs were terrible. Wenger shouldn't have put out a weakened team in the FA and League cup, etc. Should've, could've, would've, and didn't.
But at the end of the day, not keeping (or, perhaps more importantly replacing) Flamini was a big big mistake. It's not the club's fault Flamini left, since he clearly doesn't deserve the 150k or whatever he was on at Milan. But not replacing him with a quality midfielder? Unforgivable.
That doesn't make sense though. You think you should have won the league because you were playing good football? So were Chelsea and United.
The league table always accurately reflects the strength of each team. That season Arsenal were third best.
who actually is?
Messi. Not a penny more.
The Spurs anomaly
Not really.
Benitez + Bale to Madrid would be ideal, though. Barca would eat him alive.
LabouredSubterfuge
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No, no, no. 'Good football' means lots of short passes along the floor and trying to play through the middle, along with lots of possession. 'Good football' does not mean scoring goals, not conceding goals or winning football matches. Get with the fucking times Clegg.
Sometimes I actually think you believe these things and it's not just an elaborate troll. Sometimes I worry for you, dc.
Meus Renaissance
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Look at the season closer. We finished four points behind you. We were above you coming into March, but after 4 draws in a row, you overtook us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007–08_Arsenal_F.C._season#Match_results
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007–08_Manchester_United_F.C._season#Premier_League
Before the draws, we were winning consistently and doing so playing better football. We should have won it purely on form. Who would have anticipated drawing to Wigan, Boro, Villa and Birmingham City?
I remember lurking here when that went down, back then it was still the 'old' football thread filled mostly with Arsenal supporters. Good Times.
... that is why you were third best, because you drew against those teams and finished third.
The CL is a competition where the best team doesn't always win. But a league competition? The team that wins it deserves to. The team that finishes second deserves to. And so on and so forth.
So coming into March you were ahead of United in the league. That means absolutely nothing. There were still two months left to play and you came third in the end. You came third because you were third best. The league table doesn't lie.
And obviously your "better football" amounts to nothing when you don't actually win anything.
And obviously your "better football" amounts to nothing when you don't actually win anything.
AndresON777
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Meus Renaissance
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I'm not really disputing the end result in that sense. What I'm saying rather is that were it not for those uncharacteristic draws so late on in the season, our form was so good that up til mid March many were probably expecting us to win it, not least the supporters. We didn't just drop points, we handed them out every week for a month. You don't expect that from any team leading the league that late in the season.
Found their level. Dogshit in the PL.
Meus Renaissance
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Technically we did but finishing third isn't an accurate reflection of the circumstances of that season, especially when finishing third for us last year was 19 points behind the winners. This is what I'm talking about - not who won the league, but rather how we let it slip away. Granted, teams let leads slip away, but Arsenal have rarely been in the situation to lead. For a side to have had so little so success and yet played so consistently, it was an opportunity they really should have grabbed and held onto. In the context of our failings, it was a chance we should have taken and won.
But when you have four points separating three teams, it's hardly worth describing the others as second or third best. How can you quantify the quality of a side based on such a small margin.
Personally I felt we were the best team in England that year. I'm sure Chelsea and Man Utd fans will disagree, but no one is going to debate who ended up being champions or whether they were worthy winners.
Do you want Europa progression, Kyoufu ?
You work with the data you have.
You work with the data you have.
Nicktendo86
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My god Arsenal got battered last night, I actually predicted 3-1 to Bayern but they cold have won by more. If they are not in the final I will be shocked.
Yep.
Meus Renaissance
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So City were 1 goal better in quality than United? Or 60 seconds worth of game time better? Nonsensical.
Nah, Barcacunts are worse in FIFA. Literally all their players can dribble like gods and share inch-perfect passes. And Messi is, as always, an overrated pecho frio.
lol
Never. Redcafe is full of bozo filth, though. Some of them have sunk so low that they have no right to laugh at RAWK, which is an appalling state to get into.
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Why the fuck Chelsea and Real Madrid are borderline cases, I dunno
Football is dead.
1 goal better in achievement, I guess.
QUALITY IS NOTHING*
*Insert WoodenLung's philistine carnival of Chelsea CL photos.
Must have good statistics for the 2008 season then.
Well they finished level on points and you would argue that over the course of the season, City's goal difference being better meant they were a better team.
But thats certainly harder to define than an actual two point gap between second and third, which there was that season. Manchester United were better than Arsenal by two points.
Four. But you've got the right idea.
lol
Never. Redcafe is full of bozo filth, though. Some of them have sunk so low that they have no right to laugh at RAWK, which is an appalling state to get into.
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Why the fuck Chelsea and Real Madrid are borderline cases, I dunno
Why is Manchester United on the wrong side?
fucking bus mentality. i hope mailand gets destroyed tonight.
Meus Renaissance
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We didn't get battered. The scoreline was perhaps predictable to most here but it wasn't really the type of game many would have expected. Bayern didn't exactly dominate - I think a better word would be 'controlled'. Arsenal were woeful enough in the first half to lose again to Blackburn much less Bayern. The only glimpses of quality shown came from Bayern but their two goals didn't come from periods of play where they had us on the back foot or something. It was odd in that sense.
Before they scored their third, we looked more likely to get that next goal such was the improvement in our performance.
Bayern did a job on us. They controlled the game and moved the ball nicely from side to side. The score line was probably more a reflection of the confidence and quality between the two sides so than it was of the actual match.
Dominate, control, whatever. They scored 3 goals, we scored 1. If we had defenders who could defend corners and bothered to make goal-line clearances, maybe we would have deserved more. But we don't.
What striked me the most was, that we didn't even go all out! And Arsenal should have defended better after Robben came on the pitch. It was soooo obvious that we were waiting for the last counter attack. And it happened.
No we don't.
The_Hitcher89
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Last episode of Lost time
Watch the real-united game again please. Non-existent midfield.
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