nopenopenope
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Skrtel's gone in the summer, not sure about Coates but we'll probably move Kelly in and look for another RB/CB.
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Football Thread |OT17| Jordan Henderson for Ballon d'Or
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Skrtel's gone in the summer, not sure about Coates but we'll probably move Kelly in and look for another RB/CB.
I'd sell both if we got decent offers.
It looks like we're looking at getting an experienced first teamer to go alongside Agger (Williams), and a young CB to partner Kelly (De Vrij or Alderwerield). If we do that we can afford to let both go..
We need a striker. #FuckAde
I am. Just doesn't help when you have someone like Ade up front.
:-|
Ashley Williams is a great player. Sadly, due to his nationality and prem status Liverpool might pay quite an inflated price for him.
Then, everyone will laugh. But they will get a dependable centre back, something they need. Good signing if you ask me
@wilbury. Jon Daly? Absolute tank. Agree though, golf is so tedious to watch. Good fun to play though, shame I suck.
Then, everyone will laugh. But they will get a dependable centre back, something they need. Good signing if you ask me
@wilbury. Jon Daly? Absolute tank. Agree though, golf is so tedious to watch. Good fun to play though, shame I suck.
Milchmonster
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So, CL "draw" tomorrow. I'm kinda sure we'll go out in the semi finals, not because our team is not good enough but because we lack the expierence. CL semi final is huuuuge for our players, for the other teams' players it's a regular thing. We weren't really at our best against Donezk and we were rather far from our best against Malaga, the lack of experience definately shows. So, please, don't give me Bayern, Wurst-Uli would not be able to shut the fuck up unless his Bayern got really fucked in the final.
Considering UEFA is fixing the draw anyway. It's either going to be Real-Barca/Bayern-BVB or Barca-BVB/Real-Bayern. I don't think UEFA wants a Bundesliga final or a Clasico semi-final, so after our group win against Real, Real-BVB doesn't look that likely to me. Barca-BVB/Bayern-Real sounds like the best choice for UEFA, Barca should be able to kick BVB out and Barca-Bayern/Madrid would both be good finals.
Considering UEFA is fixing the draw anyway. It's either going to be Real-Barca/Bayern-BVB or Barca-BVB/Real-Bayern. I don't think UEFA wants a Bundesliga final or a Clasico semi-final, so after our group win against Real, Real-BVB doesn't look that likely to me. Barca-BVB/Bayern-Real sounds like the best choice for UEFA, Barca should be able to kick BVB out and Barca-Bayern/Madrid would both be good finals.
We've had it on tonight because of my housemates being sporty as fuck, and it's so drab.
I will say, though, that once I've got a stable income and a car I'm well getting on the golf bandwagon. Will be fun as fuck to play and learn on weekends.
We had one crisis already this season and recovered well to go 12 matches unbeaten. The problem to me is simple. Too many silly goals conceded, especially from corners. Did it against Swansea, Everton and both games against Basel. We've scored 2 goals in the each of those 4 games and we shouldn't be conceding the same amount.
Bale, Lennon and Defoe coming back will give us a lift, tonight players like Holtby, Carroll and Huddlestone worked their balls off and that gives me some hope that they can be of great use as well. Kaboul will also be back in the fray and he can give Vertonghen a rest.
Also a good squad member in Mass Erect.
nopenopenope
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Yeah except Swansea don't have teams set up against them the way they do against us. And Arsenal are welcome to him, he'd be terrible in their set up too. We need someone who is either a right sided version of Agger or an athletic organiser with experience in Europe. We should be looking to raid Germany, Italy, Spain, Holland and Belgium with the new TV deal money, why bother going back to Swansea and getting bent over a barrel again?
Move Kelly in field and buy a right back, because a full back is easier to get than a good centre back.
kingellesar
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Berbatov for £5m.
Fuck me I hate football sometimes, what a difference he would've made this season. Would've probably got 3 points against Fulham at home for a start >_>
I want to see Tom Carroll in every game now, time for one of Dembele or Parker to be dropped or Dempsey and play a 4-3-3 when Bale and Lennon come back, even then I'd prefer Gylfi in the team somewhere as well.
LanceVance
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You're just jealous of tigers power over women
Get bent.
:lol. Don't mind playing it, its relaxing. But watching it? jesus fucking christ I'd rather have my anus torn to shreds by a bear coached in the art of fucking a hole by bud esq.
No idea who that is :lol. I suppose I don't know many golfers. Tiger, Rory, Bubba, Phil. That's it.
Yeah its a good laugh pottering around a driving range. I'm shite, but oh well. Just can't imagine sitting there watching.
kingellesar
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So City need to go spend another £150m+ in order to bridge a gap?
Fuck me. These journos talk out their arse.
SMD, it is very hard to find a good value centre back in Europe. Apart from Vidic, I can't think a modern day CB who has come in and really done exceptionally well. The Belgian V's are ok, but far too inconsistent and always make silly little errors.
What is vital for a defender is premier league experience. Something Williams has. He also supports Liverpool and knows Brendan Rodgers. Perfect fit if you ask me.
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Also, I can't stop watching this. Think i'm in a trance. (Daft Punk btw)
What is vital for a defender is premier league experience. Something Williams has. He also supports Liverpool and knows Brendan Rodgers. Perfect fit if you ask me.
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Also, I can't stop watching this. Think i'm in a trance. (Daft Punk btw)
nopenopenope
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The Daily Mail is shit on all fronts, why does anyone read it?
Me and my brother played it loads when we were kids but I gave up because 18 holes bored me to tears and he carried on and is now a County captain playing off +2.
Fun game when it's going well but infuriating when it's not.
The Eng FA needs money to cover the costs at Wembley. Messi v Ronaldo will bring that money in. So,
Bayern v Barca
R. Madrid v BVB
R. Madrid v Bayern Final
Milchmonster
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That would be risky as hell, though. Bayern can beat Barca and the group stages showed we can beat Real, too. Could go horribly wrong for UEFA/FA.
nopenopenope
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Nope, completely disagree. A good player is a good player regardless, the pressure of playing at Liverpool is ridiculous. We have completely unreasonable expectations, we're punching roughly at the weight we are at yet people expect us to get top 4. We're not going to compete with City, Chelsea or United on fees, not a chance. Arsenal I'm not sure what they're doing but they've got a settled backroom and a new ground, two things we don't, and Spurs keep incrementally improving while we spend summers shooting ourselves in the foot.
Everton have the benefit of stability as much as we take the piss out of them so that's roundabout where we're competing.
Premier League experience is terribly overrated. Henderson's taken this long to settle in and Allen stuttered while not fully fit before eventually needing an operation. We need players comfortable on the ball, either pacy or great anticipation and with nerves of steel. Challenging for titles on the continent or playing in the latter stages of European competition makes such a bigger difference.
Just don't pay the English tax, it's not worth it and we're just limiting ourselves for no good reason.
If Real win the CL this season everyone will say Ronaldo is the best in the world. It's going to be painful.
Milchmonster
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Pretty awesome season for him this year. Was decent to good the years before.
The differences between how Liverpool are set out, and how Swansea are aren't as pronounced as you think, despite us probably having much more of the ball. He needs to do what Carragher does in organising the defence and keeping everyone switched on and in position. He needs to lead, essentially. I think he's more than capable, and certainly a far cry from 'terrible', as you seem to believe.
Secondly the best centre back pairings aren't carbon copies of each other with a proclivity to kick with different feet. They're players who balance against each other, and offer different traits. Buying a right sided Agger would leave our defence too lightweight, without much aerial prowess.
And Kelly can't be relied on to stay fit, I'm afraid. He's a great talent, I hope he becomes a great player, but it' be foolish to rely on him.
Williams, Agger, Kelly, Wisdom
I imagine we'll look to buy another centre back, too. That Toby Alderwieled (?) from Ajax is rumoured, but that might just be because he said he'd like to play for Liverpool earlier in the week.
Can imagine it sending me round the twist.
We'll take Wilbz pick then.
:lol
Well if he wins the CL this year I think he deserves the Ballon d'Or up until May. Up until now I reckon he's been toe to toe with Messi this season (obviously people disagree, as they said earlier).
nopenopenope
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You misread me, I said that teams set up differently against us than against Swansea. And I don't know why you think Agger is lightweight, we did this in 2007 when Drogba schooled him at Stamford Bridge in the CL and then he marked him out of the game two weeks later
Awesome Animals
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I love watching golf. With a proper naughty hd television it is the most relaxing thing I could do.
I wanna see the receipts.
Arsenal2022
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He couldn't manage it at Chelsea, and I don't think he's been in an equivalent position over the course of his career either. But yeah, Ade doesn't help either.
Proper naughty :lol, you cray americans
48 goals in 47 games is second only behind Messi, in a poorer team this year with all the turmoil that Madrid brings. 11 goals in the Champions League and none of them penalties, including against Man Utd, Man City, Dortmund, three against Galatasaray. Four goals against Barcelona alone this season including two in the draw at the Nou Camp and two in the Copa Del Rey win.
It's close, and I wouldn't really argue if someone's said Messi's been unquestionably better, but I think they're as good as each other this season.
Obviously he hasn't the experience yet to really manage turmoil, but up until now:
1) absolutely resounding success with Porto. Easy to say its a two club league, but to win it unbeaten, AND the cup, AND the Europa (which of course is a far better competition than it gets credit for) is brilliant.
2) Wasn't doing too poorly with Chelsea in retrospect. Fourth, fifth when sacked with a game in hand? It's not perfect but then again look what's happened to RDM and Benitez, its just a fucking odd club from the fan base to the board to the players. Cocked up against Napoli I suppose, but that was a fucking good Napoli side on the day.
3) Has shown a want to change his tactics, his methods and his players when the situation needs it. His attitude towards Dawson has been fantastic, the players seem to love him, he's gone from 4-3-3 to 4-4-2 to 4-2-3-1 when things aren't working and is currently managing a bit of an injury crisis with less money than Chelsea and less attraction than Arsenal (and up against a far better manager in Wenger).
He's doing a fine job if you ask me. I don't think anyone expected better of Spurs this year, and the media were chomping at the bit to write him off at the start of the season.
TheFeedingHand
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Please let it be Dortmund vs Bayern, and Madrid Barca. It doesn't get better than this, the german classic and the clasico.
Awesome Animals
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Benteke deserves the award.
Ehhh its the European Cup. In an ideal world we'd see different countries battling it out, so in order of preference I want:
1. Dortmund vs Madrid final
2. Bayern vs Madrid final
3. Bayern vs Barcelona final
4. Dortmund vs Bayern final
5. Dortmund vs Barca final
6. Bayern vs Madrid final
Yeah, this a little as well. I think his sheer presence alone pulls Barca through matches sometimes, and he has moments where he'll do nothing and then turn it on and he'll score two in five minutes and that's fucking great. But he's played better for the last two seasons or so, whereas Ronaldo's improved on last year in terms of influence, importance to the team, professionalism and all round play. Really become their key man on and off the pitch this year I think considering all the team turmoil.
He has been carrying my team so far hehe.
I'm going to watch their match against Schalke on Saturday.
Arsenal2022
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A good manager shows his strength when times are tough, not when they're good, which is why I discounted his achievements at Porto, despite how exceptional they were. Looking at his time at Chelsea, it is far that he did not get to have a fair go at changing Chelsea's system; I think he had a longer term vision that RA was not willing to entertain, and player power at the club is far too significant.
As for this season, it is true that expectations were low after Redknapp's sacking, and while he does show his capability to be malleable and willing to compromise to circumstances, I feel that his decision making under pressure is not quite under scratch. Tonight for example, after the red card, tactically Spurs were poor (although that partly lies with Adebayor also), and simply let Basel lay siege on their goal.
He needs to win both the club treble and the national teams world cup in the same year, scoring a hat-trick in both finals, for people to even start considering him as someone who has a shot at a ballon d'or.
If only he had gone the faux-humbleness route.
No that's what Pirlo has to do to be considered for the Team of the Year.
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