It's a tall order but Barca are more than capable of scoring 4+ goals. There is no way they will play as bad as they did in the first leg. If they can keep a clean sheet though is doubtful but you never know on the night.
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FootballFan
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Well no one ever really meets Madrids expectations. Pellegrini got more points in La Liga than Real had ever managed before and still got fired.
Capello won the league and got fired for playing bad football :lol
Looks to have regressed
Vivalaraza
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He played well against some crap teams.
I just think when you look at it with context as opposed to 'one league, no CLs', it might not be what was expected, but its hardly any less than that. Of course in the history books it'll just go down as one league, no CLs... which is the problem. But there's certainly extraneous circumstances as to why he hasn't won everything he's gone for yeah.
I thought he was really good at the Euros last year as well to be honest. Just looks more comfortable playing for Portugal I think. Marcelo was superb last season, injuries have fucked him over this year.
The_Hitcher89
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There's plenty of those in La Liga though. 17, to be precise.
FootballFan
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So good. If you get over the weird special effect style they use, then it's so easy to love it.
Andy Whitfield was great. <3
I memorized his speech at the end of season 1, hopefully Messi does the same speech before the Bayern game. Remuntada.
Sviatoslav
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Twice!
He was good at Euros last year too. Maybe he's just a pecho calido when playing for the national team?
His actions haven't helped him. This was the guy that was poking Tito's eye out after a game or whatever.. You're excusing him for quite a lot but some of the shit he brings on himself.
Vivalaraza
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hmm you're verging on saying they don't have a team good enough to win the CL.
They do.
tarzanpuyol
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Del Bosque made it to 4 semis, won 2; gets kicked out, Mou makes it to 3 wins none and people claim he is not a failure XD
I agree with you, in some cases, but what will Madrid themselves think. That is what matter. You can say that he went out against great clubs, Won the League, Won the cup, played good football, bought great players on cheap, met Jesus in heaven, Beat Battletoads in one try, but Madrid will still think he underperformed,because they wanted one thing and one thing only: CL Cup. They even specified it when they hired him, that is what they were aiming for and Mou took the job fully knowing this.
By that standard he failed. He could win everything else in the world, but he didn't get that, he failed in Madrid's eyes.
And Heynckes won the Cl after 32 years of waiting... still sacked in the summer. :lol
Lol, why not 18?
Now Jupp can go back to Madrid for one year. :lol
So it was written. Defeat Pep's Bayern in the 2014 CL final
Meus Renaissance
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We'll see what the Madrid fans/press say this time next year
You don't spend 300m on players and blame extraneous circumstances. You spend 300m on players in order to make sure you're never in a position where extraneous circumstances can derail your campaign to begin with.
I think the biggest problem is that Mourinho has built a one-dimensional team. The only thing they can do is counter-attack. They're not particularly physical, they're pretty terrible at defending (which is shocking, considering this is Mourinho we're talking about), they're not particularly aggressive (this is a team with Pepe and Ramos on it...). It's obvious that this team was built to beat Barcelona, but... it's come at the cost of being unable to do anything else. And when you consider Barceona destroyed themselves (and despite being utterly unable to beat Madrid, Barcelona are still going to win the league title) the whole one-dimensionality of the team was completely pointless. It's cost them.
To go along with that, I really do think that Ferguson used Ronaldo far more effectively than Mourinho has.
There is no one better in the world than Mourinho, not in my eyes at least. But that doesn't change the fact that I think it's fair to say he's failed at Madrid. Unrealistic expectations? Sure. But he knew that when he took the job and he still failed to meet them.
and if they don't, that's Mourinho's fault. He has the money, he has the transfer authority—and his buys have simply not been particularly good. Modric? Not the plan B he wanted. Coentrao? By most accounts, pretty terrible.
The_Hitcher89
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Ramos needs to sort himself out.
He was awful against Welbeck and then against Lewa. He was genuinely dreadful. Khedira looks like a plodder against top level opposition and their fullbacks are nothing special.
Their attacking players are more then good enough though.
Huh...
Vivalaraza
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He's not a failure. Yes he was brought to win CL, yes he has failed in that yet he managed to bring us to a level were we could threaten and win against Barca, took us to semis three times and have managed to win the league. As you already mention he didn't spend a huge some of money either that some people like to say. This is not to mention that a part of the club most likely hate him along with the fans. They bought him for the CL win yes but to ignore all his other contributions, let alone the CL contributions would be extremely unfair, unless people prefer to have managers who get sacked within one season because they can't win the tenth CL title, I'm sure that will help us more and make us more successful
Given the circumstances and environment he has had to go through as a coach of this club, especially with the ridiculous and unrealistic standard many of it's fans and the hierarchy of the clubs holds (and will continue to do), he's done a rather fine job. I think your posts are pretty much spot on.
Of course, yeah. He's a cunt. I don't think its necessarily linked to any of his failings though. It was a real shitty shitty thing to do, fucking awful. But it's not that relevant anymore really.
Oh of course they do. But so do Bayern, Dortmund and Barcelona this year. Only one will though.
On paper, Chelsea didn't last year, but they did win it. It's a mix of playing really well and a crapshoot really isn't it, winning the CL.
The two aren't linked though. Mou hasn't failed, neither did Del Bosque. Trying to rationalise anything that goes on at the top of Real Madrid is just a thankless task.
Vivalaraza
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To me it sounds like he says "you can't"?
Vivalaraza
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That incident might not have but his general behaviour and approach has definitely been a hindrance.
Sviatoslav
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Well I think that type of thing goes some way to explaining why he might be demonized in the press.
Mourinho probably makes more than everyone at Madrid bar Casillas and Ronaldo.
and kaka lol
I always fall for these videos and then laugh hard, dunno why.
I don't know why you would think that.
Vivalaraza
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Well his accent might be fooling you, Hixx.
Gonna try and break this post up jtb, but its a very good one, you make some great points.
But its football, you know? You can have a perfect squad, the best midfield in the world, arguably the best player there ever has been, and get fucking countered by a long Frank Lampard pass and a Ramires chip. It happens. There's circumstances that happen on a football pitch out of the control of board members and bank rollers. It's not an excuse per se
, but its just that when you're coming up against top top level opposition in the Champions League, I don't think money is as important as it is on a league level when the majority of teams are just overwhelmed by the talent you've been able to buy. Hence why Madrid and City have done well domestically all things considered, but maybe not at CL level. When they get to the stage they do, Madrid have come up against two teams that have spent nearly as much as them net spend in the last three years. Only Dortmund really have the excuse of not being in a financial position to match Madrid's spending.
Agree with you here for the most part, yeah. But I think Mourinho is the type to have a plan B during a match, and I think he did a good job today with the Kaka/Coentrao tactical switch. It just became too much for Dortmund, and apart from the obvious 'bring an attacker on', it really was quite clever how they went about it.
Hard to argue considering how many goals he's scored, I think. I think Ferguson used the team around Ronaldo more effectively than Mourinho has, which is potentially down to lack of experience compared to SAF/Ronaldo being a better player now than he was at United and therefore dependancy and trust in him is multiplied?
With this, I just think that... I don't know. It's hard. The expectation was that he would win a Champions League. But its easier said than done, and I think in context there's justifiable reasons why he hasn't won it every year, especially last year and the year before. 2011 in particular was an even tie before the red card, and last year was an exit on penalties, not like Barca having absolutely no plan B against Chelsea.
This year has certainly been his worst, both in the CL and the league. But one relatively bad year on balance in three years? Pretty good to me considering the competition.
But its football, you know? You can have a perfect squad, the best midfield in the world, arguably the best player there ever has been, and get fucking countered by a long Frank Lampard pass and a Ramires chip. It happens. There's circumstances that happen on a football pitch out of the control of board members and bank rollers. It's not an excuse per se
(yes it is)
Agree with you here for the most part, yeah. But I think Mourinho is the type to have a plan B during a match, and I think he did a good job today with the Kaka/Coentrao tactical switch. It just became too much for Dortmund, and apart from the obvious 'bring an attacker on', it really was quite clever how they went about it.
Hard to argue considering how many goals he's scored, I think. I think Ferguson used the team around Ronaldo more effectively than Mourinho has, which is potentially down to lack of experience compared to SAF/Ronaldo being a better player now than he was at United and therefore dependancy and trust in him is multiplied?
With this, I just think that... I don't know. It's hard. The expectation was that he would win a Champions League. But its easier said than done, and I think in context there's justifiable reasons why he hasn't won it every year, especially last year and the year before. 2011 in particular was an even tie before the red card, and last year was an exit on penalties, not like Barca having absolutely no plan B against Chelsea.
This year has certainly been his worst, both in the CL and the league. But one relatively bad year on balance in three years? Pretty good to me considering the competition.
I think jtb also makes some good points. Coentrao has been horrible at club level compared to his national side. It actually reminds me of Higuain who looks much better when playing for the national team :lol
The part of being a one-dimensional team definitely holds some truth to it. As much as we rely on Ronaldo we rely too much on counters and while we don't have those we just become slow with our attack and more than often look lost on what to do. That is something that needs to change a bit.
The part of being a one-dimensional team definitely holds some truth to it. As much as we rely on Ronaldo we rely too much on counters and while we don't have those we just become slow with our attack and more than often look lost on what to do. That is something that needs to change a bit.
Klopp deserves to win this year and hopefully can achieve that.
Ah yeah of course. He doesn't make it easy for himself, and like you say Viva I don't want him at United.
TheFeedingHand
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Winning the triple would put way too much pressure on Pep. Anything less would be considered a failure.
Heynckes should go to the Nationalmannschaft
and yet...
I can't agree with that tbh.
Over both legs I thought he did a poor job against Lewandowski. I'll have to watch tonights game again and pay more attention to Ramos.
The only one you will be getting is Pardew.
FootballFan
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Mou built a team to beat Barca, ignoring the fact that there are 18 other teams(yes Hitcher 18
) in the league and many different ones he will face in Europe. Mou was being naive to think all he has to do is beat Barca and everyone else will be easy.
Sure now he can beat us, but what the hell does he do when he faces a team that gives Madrid the ball and waits to counter them? Pray that Ronaldo does something.
Man United did it and nearly beat them, Dortmund did it again and again, many La Liga teams did it this season etc. The only team that would be too stubborn to give them the ball while allowing them to counter every time is Barca.
Fucking Tiki taka lol.
Remuntada.
He did a pretty good job elbowing him in the face 4 times. Maybe it counts that.
You reminded me, I'm fucking lost on how many times they let Lewandowski unmarked. You'd think we would have learned from the first leg but we did exactly the same this leg. We're really lucky Dortmund didn't score or it would have been really embarrassing. Overall pretty bad defense across both legs.
Lambda Pie
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he was also much better when he was at Benfica. i would gladly take him back but Melgarejo grew into a pretty decent left back.
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