Cyberpunkd
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Aren't you supposed not to lie in court to avoid the charges of perjury?
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Former Xbox VP, Mike Ybarra says "Given the size of Microsoft Gaming now, it’s just not sustainable to not be embracing all platforms"
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The Switch 2 will 100% be a competitor to the PS5. That is for sure! But not the PS6.
Yes that's true. I guess I shouldn't say it's not true. Because it is true they wanted to compete with Playstation. But that statement is just incomplete. They wanted to "compete" with Playstation in the sense that they wanted more market share and wanted to share the same profit margins. But "compete" in this sense isn't in the same sense that we gamers viewed it. It's not like they were the New York Yankees trying to compete against the Boston Red Sox.
If MS could get GamePass on Playstation, they'd do it in 2.5 seconds. If MS could become an official partner with Sony in the gaming space and make a 15% profit margin per year with Xbox; they'd do that in a heartbeat. They wouldn't care that Playstation also had a 15% profit margin and sold 150 million consoles per generation. It's in Microsoft's business DNA to attach their software and\or services to things that win.
Microsoft would rather collaborate and make billions, than compete and make millions.
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Cyberpunkd
Gold Member
SteadyEvo
Member
Maybe not Gamepass but put their games on PlayStation store
IAmNotFromDelaware
Member
Makes it easy for Xbox as well. They get your money either way.
I don’t mind though. Makes the decision between PlayStation/Xbox a lot easier.
Considering they make little money, or maybe even less, with everyone hardware sold, they don't really care where you buy their games.
Robb
Gold Member
Yeah, it’s definitely a win for me at least. Smaller one for MS I guess since I’m sure they’d rather have me as a recurring GamePass subscriber if they got to choose. But it is what it is.
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FoxMcChief
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FoxMcChief
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Let me let you in on a secret. It doesn’t matter where you play your games, or where you buy them from. You’re getting fucked just the same in the end, as is someone else for your purchase. I think the only difference is what they’re doing while they’re fucking you.
Gambit2483
Member
Q: How do you make money as a platform holder when no one buys your games?
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Sell them to people not on your sub service
DeltaPolarBear
Member
I am sure someone felt the same when Sony told everyone they were going to challenge the mighty Nintendo. Sony wasn't even a gaming company. I never even had any idea back then they they would succeed this much. Sony wasn't born with success, and they are far from perfect.
And also, you are wrong. Building a better console doesn't pull people away from PlayStation. Making better games does. Microsoft kept trying to make a better Xbox and not drawing in the customers. There is nothing wrong with Series X hardware; there was just no reason to buy it.
There are plenty of other companies who have the billions to challenge Sony. And as we learn already, money isn't everything. You certainly can't buy your way to the top. We just saw how that failed. So a better company can succeed where Xbox failed, while spending less money.
Gambit2483
Member
Robb
Gold Member
Eh.. It definitely matters to me at least. The more games I can play in one place the more value I’ll get out of the hardware.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
So when you said
Console gaming is doing just fine, other than a lack of healthy completion from a new hungry console platform fresh off the boat. As soon as Xbox quits we can have someone new replacing them.
We are just talking making better games and then make them exclusive to a platform?
Xbox isn't quitting any time soon and sorry just not totally following how you want a new console platform to carve out a healthy spot in the market but granted I am fairly sick and on some funky meds and have some serious brain fog going on so apologies ahead of time, I am not trying to be difficult
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Nothing will last forever and what you “own” won’t be accessible in the future, especially with the route of stream gaming being the future.
But whatever floats your boat. I’m a one and done dude that rents. I hardly ever play a game more than once, and if I want to remember a game, I go to YouTube.
Robb
Gold Member
What I own will be, because that’s mainly what I buy. But I like streaming as well, it’s convenient. I just won’t pay more money for zero/incremental improvements over time just because the company knows it can up its pricing model. But that’s also fine, there are plenty of options, even within streaming.
I’m in the opposite camp. I re-play quite a bit of games, modern ones as well, and like to come back for new game +, or just to do some missions I didn’t have time for in my initial playthrough, or just aimlessly roam around in a game world I love, etc. Different strokes.
Physiognomonics
Member
The day they bought Activision for $70 billions the exclusive dream was over for them. They have to eventually port all their games to PS to get their money back. It's basic return to investment stuff.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
And when the Switch 2 releases, it'll have similar power to the Xbox Series S. So Nintendo will get some of their games too.
I'm nobody
Member
It's gunna happen and sell out
dcx4610
Member
It's true. The money in gaming has always been the games - not the hardware. The hardware is just a vehicle to play the games. These days, you can break even on hardware or make a tiny bit of profit so it's still worth doing the machine but for the games, you should put them on all platform as possible.
I do miss the days of SNES v. Genesis and having that competition but back then, we were talking about pretty different hardware. Now, games are roughly the same between PC/PS5/Xbox. Just put your games on everything. There's no reason to be exclusive anymore.
I think there's still this fear that if you have put an exclusive on another platform, that's a negative. If I'm a PC gamer that is never going to buy a console and get an exclusive, you have a new buyer. Is that console-only gamer not going to buy the game now because PC players can play it? I seriously doubt it. Play where you want to play and be happy.
I do miss the days of SNES v. Genesis and having that competition but back then, we were talking about pretty different hardware. Now, games are roughly the same between PC/PS5/Xbox. Just put your games on everything. There's no reason to be exclusive anymore.
I think there's still this fear that if you have put an exclusive on another platform, that's a negative. If I'm a PC gamer that is never going to buy a console and get an exclusive, you have a new buyer. Is that console-only gamer not going to buy the game now because PC players can play it? I seriously doubt it. Play where you want to play and be happy.
yazenov
Gold Member
I mean, this guy is just stating the obvious. We all (excluding the Xbox fans of course) said the same thing before the acquisition.
But what was hilarious were the people who said "MS didn't buy Activision-Blizard for $70 billion to release games on other platforms". You guys were dead wrong you dumb-dumbs, we told you so.
But what was hilarious were the people who said "MS didn't buy Activision-Blizard for $70 billion to release games on other platforms". You guys were dead wrong you dumb-dumbs, we told you so.
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mayham2199
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The hardware is also the vehicle to get 30% of every game sold on the hardware. Also to get PS+ subs for playing MP games and also 30% from all MTX transactions. Basically what you're saying is nonsense.
MayauMiao
Member
Its more like just get a Playstation.
I don’t mind though. Makes the decision between PlayStation/Xbox a lot easier.