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Formula 1 2016 Season |OT2| BUT GRO PER
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Hey, odds say one of these times he's going to be right pretty much by default.
Dutch Gronk
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You would think that, but I've been waiting a long time for being right about Ferrari being back...
It's only the 10 year anniversary of the last Ferrari championship, though. Last time it took them 16 years between championships.
According to AMuS, Pirelli is expecting most races to be 1-stop and the performance gap between compounds to be smaller than last year.
A direct result of the "less overheating and degradation" requirement. I figure it's kind of hard to find the right "range" for such a tyre when the cars that will use it don't EXIST yet.
So let's recap...
- More downforce dependence, shorter braking distances and wider cars, so following and overtaking could be much more difficult outside DRS straights
- Less tyre strategy variance might rob us of the excitement that the extra compound brought us in 2016
- One less engine for the season so teams might run everything even more conservatively
...
Literally the only thing that can save us from a boring season is the two top teams being very close to each other.
A direct result of the "less overheating and degradation" requirement. I figure it's kind of hard to find the right "range" for such a tyre when the cars that will use it don't EXIST yet.
So let's recap...
- More downforce dependence, shorter braking distances and wider cars, so following and overtaking could be much more difficult outside DRS straights
- Less tyre strategy variance might rob us of the excitement that the extra compound brought us in 2016
- One less engine for the season so teams might run everything even more conservatively
...
Literally the only thing that can save us from a boring season is the two top teams being very close to each other.
At least the cars will look "better" and be quicker!
It's not weird to speculate on the effects of major rule changes.
Plus, lower expectations means less possible disappointment!
Development
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That looked.....akward
Mastah
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2010 season featured cars with the biggest downforce in the history of F1 (according to Newey) and durable tyres, which could be pushed to the limit all race long. We had double the number of overtakes compared to 2009, the most in 20 years and in the last race 4 drivers from 3 different teams fought for the title.
But sure, it's going to be the worst year ever, blah blah blah.
But sure, it's going to be the worst year ever, blah blah blah.
fu3lfr3nzy
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The fact that this year's cars is gonna have faster laptimes than the best V10 era cars had to offer is exciting enough for me.
Y'all were complaining that cars were getting slower every year and they finally did something about it but it's never enough.
I swear F1 fans are no different than Wrasslin fans
Y'all were complaining that cars were getting slower every year and they finally did something about it but it's never enough.
I swear F1 fans are no different than Wrasslin fans
there's no pleasing anyone and constantly complaining, reminicing how much better it was in the 80s/90s but you continue to watch it anyway
I swear F1 fans are no different than Wrasslin fansthere's no pleasing anyone and constantly complaining, reminicing how much better it was in the 80s/90s but you continue to watch it anyway
Pretty much. Before last month, they even had in common that they were franchises ran by ancient out-of-touch dictator CEO's.
I would LOVE nothing more than to be wrong here, you know.
But the big factor you're forgetting here is that 2010 was the first season in a long, long time where refueling was not allowed. That had a major impact on the amount of overtakes even before DRS was introduced and increased it even further, because overtaking people in the pits with different strategies was less feasible.
And that 3 teams were able to win the championship was a complete happenstance. Which is what I've put my hopes on for 2017 as well.
Mastah
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What matters is racing in 2010 was good and season was fun, with cars featuring huge downforce and lasting tyres. We have no idea what 2017 has in store, so let's just wait and see until Melbourne at least. Complaining right now, without even seeing first new car, is a bit silly.
All great seasons simply happened. No one thought 2004 would be so dominated by Ferrari after such close year in 2003. Who knows what will happen this year? Maybe it will be a borefest, maybe it will be great. I'm excited for it, because you heard all the drivers saying 2014-16 cars were awful to drive and how they can't wait to taste superfast machines and enjoy racing again.
edit: James Allison joins Merceces as Technical Director from 1st March:
https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/en/me...lison-to-join-mercedes-as-technical-director/
All great seasons simply happened. No one thought 2004 would be so dominated by Ferrari after such close year in 2003. Who knows what will happen this year? Maybe it will be a borefest, maybe it will be great. I'm excited for it, because you heard all the drivers saying 2014-16 cars were awful to drive and how they can't wait to taste superfast machines and enjoy racing again.
edit: James Allison joins Merceces as Technical Director from 1st March:
https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/en/me...lison-to-join-mercedes-as-technical-director/
That's for three main reasons though:
-Easily overheating, quickly degrading tyres
-Fuel saving
-Engine life saving
If Pirelli gets it right then the first reason wont matter anymore.
But what about the other two?
Especially the engine issue since they've got one less engine to work with over the season and some engine manufacturers might do radical changes with the token system gone, leading to another spurt of blown engines unless they drive with conservative engine modes.
brotkasten
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That's... I don't know. I want to laugh, but it doesn't feel right and I can't come up with a snarky response to that.
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
The veteran Honda A-Team have been unshackled, plenty of on track data, 22% increase in power, more efficient, this is the year. It's all on McLaren to deliver the goods.
In Peter P I Trust
http://www.realtimeuk.com/video/f1reveal/
Merc video explaining some of the rule changes and where performance will be gained.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ONfK64MvBQ
Have to agree.
And nice. Merc taking advantage of Ferrari's loss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ONfK64MvBQ
Have to agree.
And nice. Merc taking advantage of Ferrari's loss.
FIA kindly tells the EU to fuck right off:
http://www.fia.com/news/fia-clarifies-position-sale-one-cent-shareholding-delta-topco
Jezbollah
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I like Bottas, I hope he does well. Reminds me so much of Mika, a nice well-spoken lad off-track, and a great methodical driver on track.
I think a lot of people underestimate him. He'll have an adjustment period for sure, but I think he'll give Lewis quite a challenge in the back half of the season.
I think a lot of people underestimate him. He'll have an adjustment period for sure, but I think he'll give Lewis quite a challenge in the back half of the season.
Development
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Seems like such a nice guy, really hope he does well
I wonder how much we'll get to see of Bottas' personality now. He'll get more interview and media attention as a top team driver, also possibly standing on the podium a lot more often (though I almost forgot he had 6 podium appearances in 2014).
Not to mention Lewis is going to be a more "difficult" teammate than Massa, on and off the track.
Not to mention Lewis is going to be a more "difficult" teammate than Massa, on and off the track.
Cant stress how much I loath fuel saving. I understand saving fuel as part of your strategy so maybe it makes sense to save instead of having bigger load. But having a limiter on how much fuel you are allowed to consume? Stupid and unnecessary. It should be completely up to the drivers and teams. Other than that I never minded Turbo V6 engines because it was only a matter of time to get them up there with the previous generation.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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It's likely to prevent there being an even larger speed disparity between cars on track, which is both sensible and essential for safety.
Add Haas on the 26th to that list.
Mastah
Member
Fuel saving probably will return to a certain extent in few races, yes. But I think we saw how greatly it was reduced over last 3 years, so I expect the same to happen in 2017. In theory every manufacturer can introduce 7 different power units during the season, so that's a lot of opportunities for development.
As for engine saving, I find it a red herring. They are saving power units on straights, not in corners, so ¯\_(ツ
_/¯Ted Kravitz says Red Bull exceed their wind tunnel target numbers:
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...-director?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
scorcher59
Member
Time for that RB domination part deux!
Mastah
Member
The moment we were waiting for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFagk2lpseQ
I don't like thumb nose (who does?), but the rest looks very cool, even shark fin. Now show us real cars, not renders!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFagk2lpseQ
I don't like thumb nose (who does?), but the rest looks very cool, even shark fin. Now show us real cars, not renders!
The moment we were waiting for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFagk2lpseQ
I don't like thumb nose (who does?), but the rest looks very cool, even shark fin. Now show us real cars, not renders!
You're too quick for me!
Let's hope it's fast.
Dutch Gronk
Banned
I'll take "Thing that will never happen at Ferrari" for 500, Jimbo!
I don't think that's that representative of the final car, there should be bodywork in front of the side pod intakes since that area is open and I can't understand why they'd still have the nose.
Someone also wasn't paying attention when texturing where the nose joins the chassis.
Eugh, bring on testing.
Please were finally getting a look at least. But they'll all be a fair way from their final form as no or will want to give away too much yet.
Though I have to say that diffusor, datass.gif
Someone also wasn't paying attention when texturing where the nose joins the chassis.
Eugh, bring on testing.
Please were finally getting a look at least. But they'll all be a fair way from their final form as no or will want to give away too much yet.
Though I have to say that diffusor, datass.gif
EarsOfASnake
Member
Yup, that looks like a Williams F1 car right there, tyres don't look as hugely out of place on it. Render could do with some work though, would look better in UE4.
brotkasten
Member
It looks okay. I'm mostly disappointed by the rear wing. I knew we wouldn't get the super wide and flat ones from the concepts.
It was already hinted by the Manor wind tunnel model and the Ferrari test mule.
It was already hinted by the Manor wind tunnel model and the Ferrari test mule.
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
The wing looks as wide as that mockup once you adjust for perspective. The struts bending inwards towards the base also give the impression that it's narrower than it is.
brotkasten
Member
You're probably right, but my expectations are still lowered. I feel like the biggest change in terms of looks are going to be the completely new liveries from Toro Rosso and McLaren.
That Williams render isn't really exciting.
Mastah
Member
Ain't that the truth:
Sauber will show us real car, but still, that's bland looking machine, so Renault to the rescue?
Honestly expect similar from them all, with the change in regs they will all have developed their own solutions, some will be better than others, so they'll not show them off yet, they might not even do it at the first test where all they'll care about is getting laps done.
This is far from its final form.
This is far from its final form.
I still don't understand that reference
It looks like a S-Duct to me.
Ahh so it is, only just seen the shadow in the frontal pic.
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