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Formula 1 2017 Season |OT2| A Dutch Horror Story - Sundays on Sky
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Huh, I had no idea they made so many changes in response. Eau Rouge had its balls cut off and then some.
I bet it will explode. I don't think McLaren would have split with them if not for the reliability.
Wax Free Vanilla
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Honda haven't had issues with reliability since the British GP, they've had Alonso's phantom failure and McLaren manufactured failures, they seem to have got on top of their MGU H bearing issues and have started releasing the power since SPA.
Hasegawa says they ran their qualy map (25bhp boost, first introduced at Monza) for the first time in a race yesterday over the first 8 laps to check if the PU could handle it which it did, so he plans on using this setting for the race in Suzuka.
Progress of PU is clear but still not at level wanted
Next evolution is showing good performance on dyno
Aiming to make McLaren regret their decision
Alonso has special announcement on oct 3rd - this cunt better not be going with Honda to Toro Rosso 😧
Psychotext
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Let me guess... that's how Alonso stayed in front of Vettel?
scorcher59
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what explanation, plausible, explanation is there for Mercedes lack of pace to Renault-Red Bull racing car?! I was completely baffled, this was supposedly a Mercedes track, I believe there's more to it than just a heat sensitive car
Fox Mulder
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Malaysia isn't really a power track besides the straights, but then your setup is more downforce anyways. Merc brought a high downforce package, Redbull shine on these tracks, and even the McLaren was looking good.
The only part of the car that actually touches the track (on most occasions) is the tyres. Mercedes couldn't maintain the correct temperatures, especially given the high ambient temps, to keep them in the optimal operating window. The drop off in performance outside of that window is significant compounded by issues of graining and blistering. We're talking seconds not just tenths
xrnzaaas
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DHC-Shannow
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Qualifying took place later in the day and Lewis stuck it in pole yet in the race when the temperature was higher he couldn't keep up. The Merc really struggles on high downforce tracks with high temperatures and supersoft tyres, all of which were present at the start of the race. When they were running on softs later in the race the top 3 were running at a very similar pace (Danny couldn't catch Lewis).
Mohonky
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Yeh but in those conditions, the Ferrari was monstering everyone.
I wouldnt have though Malaysia to be a high downforce track considering it has a number of longer flowing corners and 2 massive straights, but Merc also reckon their car is super temperamental to temp and tyre choices.
Its something they really need to get hold of, it remonds me of the 2013 car which could punch out a fast quali lap but its race pace was nowhere near its single lap pace.
Already concerned about the rest of the season, if it werent for Ferrari bumbling tye last 2 races, Vettel would easily be out front. Its nice to see some luck go Hams way after last season and 2012 but Merc now they need to be doing better than they are.
I wouldnt have though Malaysia to be a high downforce track considering it has a number of longer flowing corners and 2 massive straights, but Merc also reckon their car is super temperamental to temp and tyre choices.
Its something they really need to get hold of, it remonds me of the 2013 car which could punch out a fast quali lap but its race pace was nowhere near its single lap pace.
Already concerned about the rest of the season, if it werent for Ferrari bumbling tye last 2 races, Vettel would easily be out front. Its nice to see some luck go Hams way after last season and 2012 but Merc now they need to be doing better than they are.
Ferrari is always good in hot, humid conditions and on softer compounds. Vettel raced with very aggressive engine map and lack of fuel was the reason that he lifted at the end of the race.
Another thing in Malaysia is large number of corner with quite different cornering speeds and this caused havoc to Mercedes tires
I really wonder what will they design for the next season.
Chicanes are reproducing in Valencia, Audi reporting that another one appeared overnight
Another thing in Malaysia is large number of corner with quite different cornering speeds and this caused havoc to Mercedes tires
I really wonder what will they design for the next season.
Chicanes are reproducing in Valencia, Audi reporting that another one appeared overnight
Its all kicking off for this Williams seat now!
- Williams testing Kubica back-to-back with Paul Di Resta
- Massa is still in the frame as a known quantity
- Ericsson has some serious money behind his offer
- Mercedes have put forward Wehrlein with some financial perks to offset the Martini contract stuff
- Williams testing Kubica back-to-back with Paul Di Resta
- Massa is still in the frame as a known quantity
- Ericsson has some serious money behind his offer
- Mercedes have put forward Wehrlein with some financial perks to offset the Martini contract stuff
They've had champagne cameras mounted to the winner's bottle since Monza I believe.
At last, some good news:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-vettel-gearbox-escaped-damage-960897/
Psychotext
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Incoming gearbox failure on lap 6.
Dutch Gronk
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Watch the gearbox shit itself during quali.
Just put them on the karting track and be done with it
Mohonky
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Williams to run 3 teams
Even as a Hamilton fan I wouldnt like seeing him get penalised for something beyond his or Ferraris fault.
For the sake of the championship, good news.
To be honest, Ferrari were never going to make this engine that failed last until the last race, so taking the penalty at Malaysia and getting 4th wasn't the worst it could have been.
Still hands the reins to Hamilton and frankly he needs a DNF to make the title race really competitive again.
Still though, this has not been a dominant season by any means and actually having competition at the top is no bad thing.
While they may not be battling at the top next year, the RBR, Renault and McLaren battle of the chassis is going to be absolutely epic.
FrankCanada97
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Contrary to previous reports, Stroll's father has no say in deciding who gets the Williams seat and is fully supportive of the team signing the best driver available.
Sure sure, and Lance Stroll got his F1 seat on merrit and not due to his fathers money.
FrankCanada97
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He got his F1 seat because of both talent and money. If it was as easy to buy yourself into an F1 seat as you imply, Ferrucci, Gelael, and Mazepin would already be on the grid.
Only Mazepin has Stroll money and you are correct, Mazepin has worse results than Stroll. Galeal comes close due to daddy's sponsorship and is still in the running for that STR seat, but I think that Honda deal might ruin that for him.
Then again, despite Mazepin having the means, his father has not bought top seats for his kid, and top engineers from other teams to help him.
The Stroll spending is rather unique. Sure, only a couple of driver dads are worth billions, but not all dads are willing to sink hundreds million of dollars into private tests, top seats and all just so their son can do what they want.
Mind you, I think Stroll could have gotten a F1 seat a year or 3 down the line on merrit, but they chose to go down this path so he could make highlight videos like
FrankCanada97
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I completely agree, I've always said that Stroll should have done a season in F2 first. He seems to lack confidence and drives too conservatively.
Regardless, Stroll has met my expectations of him for this season. Aside from his brain fade on the cooldown lap, he has mostly kept out of trouble and you can't say the same for some of the other drivers this year.
How quickly we forget.
I still have to chuckle at the fact that Maldonado is a GP2 champion and F1 race winner, something people like Sergio Perez can't claim
He is a true artist. The steering wheel is his brush, and broken carbon fibre is his paint. We are not worthy. Some day he will come back and bless us peasants with his craft.
FrankCanada97
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Maldonaldo is many things, but slow and untalented he is not. I would rather have 10 Pastor Maldonados on the grid than 1 Sean Gelael.
scorcher59
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Holy shit you are 100% right about this hahahahahaha it's true I had forgotten all this!
Hear hear.
Maldonado is still a better driver than several of the drivers currently on the grid.
Faster maybe, but better?
Technically he is much better at crashing than most of the drivers.
PdotMichael
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Even in that year when Maldonado won a race he was only one point ahead of Senna at the end of the year.
In any of the other years he lost against his team mates.
In any of the other years he lost against his team mates.
Norwegian Rudo
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I hope they hire some new talent for the broadcasts and don't just retread their neckcar guys. Otherwise, it's good news.
JadedWriter
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Maldonado prayed to some ancient eldritch deity to win that race and in the process it pissed off Senna's ghost so it decided to set fire to their garage.
EnlightenedMint
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I liked the commentary team on NBC would love to see them hired by ESPN, especially Buxton.
FrankCanada97
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I don't know, ESPN/ABC are terrible at covering motorsports. If they shift Eddie Cheever and Scott Goodyear from IndyCar to F1 coverage, it's going to be horrible.
He got smashed by Grosjean who's a solid midfield kinda guy. Pastor was never gonna last.
I've long complained about the SPEED/NBCSN coverage (same team basically). Buxton is good, the rest can go. That said, I'm not sure if it will be any better at ESPN/ABC, commercials could be worse.
Fox Mulder
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Good.
It'll presumably have a better budget at the very least. Buxton is great, but NBCSN needed to do more really.