A few misunderstandings.
- Roughly 90 percent of the people we kill in Fortnite would beat us in Turtle Wars. Me and my partner only really defensive build and we can't edit fight. We don't have the quickness or precision that our opponents using KBM have.
- You can practice all you want but there's simply a massive innate skill gap in Fortnite. You can't outpractice LeBron James. I've played enough to know where my physical limitations are.
- Overwatch does not reward non shooter skills more than Fortnite. It rewards correct team composition mostly, and there are certainly a number of heroes like Winston, Symetra, Torb etc that don't lean on gunskill as much, but Fortnites advantage is that allows creativity to flourish. Me and my partner text little diagrams to eachother of specific traps we can set up. Overwatch doesn't lend itself to that level of strategy. Additionally, Fortnite frequently provides us questions to ask eachother during gameplay. Where do you want to go? What should we do? Do you see what I see? Etc... Overwatch is so hectic that communication drops considerably and once you pick a hero your role is pretty determined. Fortnite is Jazz.
- Fortnite gives you more meaningful choice pre engagement than Overwatch too. That's where the natural discussions come in mid match.
- You also seem to suggest that I believe only Fortnite is strategic and no other games are. In reality, it's all about levers, not switches. Fortnite is simply more strategic than all the other big PvP games out there. Fortnite is indeed the training, the eating, and everything else leading up to the fight. It does these things best.
Thanks for the clarifications, I think I understand your POV better now (though I'm probably wrong on that, and will be in some of my points below, hah).
Just a quick question: do you have a dedicated Edit button or are you using the "hold to edit" function?
I'll have to elaborate: When I said the good players wouldn't lose to your offmeta tactics I wasn't talking about mechanical skill. These players will check and be suspicious of everything and put themselves in the lowest risk situations.
Also, I don't think setting up C4 traps, fake loot ambushes, hiding in bushes/trees with minguns, crashing builds with helicopters etc. are highly cerebral. They are satisfying fun because they are subversive.
With regards to trying out new traps/builds in Fortnite, that's definitely a mark in its favour.
I don't fully agree with your Overwatch sentiment; it's true at the top levels that team composition matters heavily but otherwise, there's a good amount of flexibility, provided you're willing to swap heroes within your chosen role.
The issue I can see, is that unlike Fortnite where you can run duos with your bro in three modes (duos, trios, squad) and obtain reasonable success, in OW your success is more dependent on the other four randos, relative to Fortnite. And I just realized that might be an issue in Apex too, since it's built around trios.
It's strange to see you speak of OW as though it's Paladins. In OW knowing when and who to swap to midmatch is a thing.
When I play OW and FN with randos it's without voicechat, just ingame comms. Experienced and considerate players know how to engage in "Jolly Cooperation" and cover for one another, it does happen in Fortnite as well, but at a much lower frequency due to its design of not giving the player enough information.
In OW once the match begins I know who everyone is playing as and can start to make decisions based on that. Midmatch swaps on either team are also shown as long as I check the tab conscientiously.
This unspoken cooperation amongst teammates is one of my favourite things about team games online, though obviously it comes with bouts of *absolute frustration when I get the exact opposite type of player/s.
No, it's not that I think you see other games as having "no strategy", I think you over emphasize the role of aiming in those games to a huge degree, to the extent of making it seem like there are no smart decisions that need to be made before the firefights. At least, that's the example you always trot out: "When I think of what I could have done, the answer is always 'aim/shoot better'" (paraphrased). The Rocky II example was referring to you not seeing the cerebral work behind a lot of the engagements.
I don't know if I'd say Fortnite has more strategy than most PVP games: Can you give me examples of what you consider strategic decisions in Fortnite?
I will say that Fortnite's wide array of weapons and gadgets does allow for a lot of toy-like experimentation which OW doesn't offer.
*Off-tangent rant: Sigh, speaking of cooperation and opposites, I really, really hate it when I throw shields out for my random team mates and they pick it up and run around without shielding up. Or I intended it for the one rando who has no shield, and another one who's already shielded up hoards it -_-
P.S. Excuse my lack of quoting for the respective replies.