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Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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betrayer of hope is clearly a lost soul, metalmurphy is just a super fan! a real hero of the gt kingdom
Metalmurphy
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It's just that is incredibly difficult to "digitize" (i dunno what's the official term is) the recordings into the actual game engine. It's impossible to record all audio under all circumstances and properly blend them together in the game (not to mention it would be incredibly expensive resource wise to store all that for use), so the sounds need to be digitized so that the output can match exactly what the car engine is doing. Imo the Forza games do a better job at that, but both use the same technique.
The games that do sound great, they "fake" their sounds. What you hear isn't exactly what you should be hearing considering what the car is doing.
However I think there are other sounds, not even engine related, that neither game has that should definitely be added to both games that add alot more immersion to racing games. Just look at something like Dirt or Supercar Challenge.
Forza 4 does sound great and they did not fake their sounds...
Would be cool if they had a clutch temp that you had to manage forcing more heel and toe.
Betrayer of hope
Banned
In the old days of fanboyism you know back in the ps1, n64 era fanboys had the decency to not show their face for a couple of days when they get wounded this badly.
Nowadays people are just suckers for shaming.
I repeat and repeat to all the fanboys of the copycat wannabe series. Bring me something that can rival this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQO6JHZl-Cs
You have all the time on earth.
Metalmurphy
Member
Sounds better (and not always). It doesn't sound great. The examples you yourself posted show just that.
You think that's what a Ford GT sounds like? And you have the freaking car in your avatar. At low RPMs even GT5 sounds much better.
Congratulations you're now the saddest person I've seen in this entire thread.
You do realize that you are in fact a fanboy yourself right?
Clearly you've never played Forza 4 the video compression, including uploading to Youtube, doesn't do the sound any favors and without a doubt Forza 4 does sound great.
Ferrari Challenge has awesome sounds of raindrops 
On the serious note, allocation of actual RAM for sounds purposes is not very generous in GT games, historically. And PS3 split-RAM also didn't help on that particular issue.
Hopefully, the future will be more generous on that field.
And regarding this discussion, I see conversation has moved from graphics to sounds. I predict physics next and after that I would propose FFB wheel support and linearity issues. Just sayin.
On the serious note, allocation of actual RAM for sounds purposes is not very generous in GT games, historically. And PS3 split-RAM also didn't help on that particular issue.
Hopefully, the future will be more generous on that field.
And regarding this discussion, I see conversation has moved from graphics to sounds. I predict physics next and after that I would propose FFB wheel support and linearity issues. Just sayin.
gutterboy44
Member
Fuck it, I'll bite. Undoubtedly the biggest factor for a racing sim is physics. Everything else contributes to the feel and immersion but physics and driving model trump all. GT5 still beats Forza, although the progress Forza has made game to game makes me think this might not be so cut and dry next iteration.
Graphics, you can nit pick IQ things like aliasing, tearing, shadows, etc but the entire world of GT5 has the better lighting engine by leaps and bounds. So it doesn't matter if you are in photo mode, driving a premium car or sad face standard car, every second of your experience looks better in GT5. In real time, in replays, in photos. Lighting is king and GT5 has it mastered.
Sounds, Forza wins by a long shot. GT is still a laughing stock when it comes to sound. It is an embarrassment to any fan of the series and is absolutely inexcusable for a dev as prestigious and wealthy as PD to put out such awful sounds FX in their games over and over. This does break some of the immersion for me in GT5. Luckily the above two "wins" out weigh the lack luster sound. I am a huge critic of GT sound and I find defense of it silly.
GT5 is better looking and moreover, better driving. Forza owns in sound and gameplay features. GT5 is the better racing sim, Forza is the better racing video game. Whatever is more important to you will determine which one is the better game. I need the feel of the cars and accurate tracks so I stil prefer GT over Forza on consoles. I buy to drive cars on my favorite tracks, not play MSPaint.
Is that so hard? I'm sorry but if you still want to come in hear and tout Forza graphics and physics, you come off like a dolt. It is still cut and dry. Forza is great in some areas an GT5 is shit in several but some aspects of this debate are so silly. Great, your opinion is , "GT5 looks like shit" awesome you are welcome to have that. But having no leg to stand on makes you look like a butthurt fanboy, and that is ok. We all have games that bring out the irrational hate. I think Super Metroid, Mario Galaxy, and all but one Zelda game are overrated nostalgia laden garbage, but I am never going to try to convince anyone otherwise because it is personal opinion alone. I cannot objectively demonstrate why those games blow. I can only say I don't like those games becuse of me, not because of the games. I see post after post of GT5 gfx superiority but you just keep saying it looks like shit. You can prefer Forza grahics but an objective side by side always puts GT5 in front for gfx. Continuing to bang on like that doesn't mean you can't have an opinion, it just makes your opinion kind of shit. I am all for being proven wrong, but I have seen and experienced the side by side evidence for years now and nothing new on the Forza side had made their game look better than it did when this thread first fired up.
GT6 could be PES2008 to Forza's FIFA08. The changing of the gaurd, but we're not there yet.
Graphics, you can nit pick IQ things like aliasing, tearing, shadows, etc but the entire world of GT5 has the better lighting engine by leaps and bounds. So it doesn't matter if you are in photo mode, driving a premium car or sad face standard car, every second of your experience looks better in GT5. In real time, in replays, in photos. Lighting is king and GT5 has it mastered.
Sounds, Forza wins by a long shot. GT is still a laughing stock when it comes to sound. It is an embarrassment to any fan of the series and is absolutely inexcusable for a dev as prestigious and wealthy as PD to put out such awful sounds FX in their games over and over. This does break some of the immersion for me in GT5. Luckily the above two "wins" out weigh the lack luster sound. I am a huge critic of GT sound and I find defense of it silly.
GT5 is better looking and moreover, better driving. Forza owns in sound and gameplay features. GT5 is the better racing sim, Forza is the better racing video game. Whatever is more important to you will determine which one is the better game. I need the feel of the cars and accurate tracks so I stil prefer GT over Forza on consoles. I buy to drive cars on my favorite tracks, not play MSPaint.
Is that so hard? I'm sorry but if you still want to come in hear and tout Forza graphics and physics, you come off like a dolt. It is still cut and dry. Forza is great in some areas an GT5 is shit in several but some aspects of this debate are so silly. Great, your opinion is , "GT5 looks like shit" awesome you are welcome to have that. But having no leg to stand on makes you look like a butthurt fanboy, and that is ok. We all have games that bring out the irrational hate. I think Super Metroid, Mario Galaxy, and all but one Zelda game are overrated nostalgia laden garbage, but I am never going to try to convince anyone otherwise because it is personal opinion alone. I cannot objectively demonstrate why those games blow. I can only say I don't like those games becuse of me, not because of the games. I see post after post of GT5 gfx superiority but you just keep saying it looks like shit. You can prefer Forza grahics but an objective side by side always puts GT5 in front for gfx. Continuing to bang on like that doesn't mean you can't have an opinion, it just makes your opinion kind of shit. I am all for being proven wrong, but I have seen and experienced the side by side evidence for years now and nothing new on the Forza side had made their game look better than it did when this thread first fired up.
GT6 could be PES2008 to Forza's FIFA08. The changing of the gaurd, but we're not there yet.
Metalmurphy
Member
I played it. Don't actually recall if I used the GT though. And you think youtube does GT5 favors? lol
I really do hope that PD has hired some western audio specialists for GT6.
It hasn't been working well for them for a long time.
I swear, if the only change in GT6 was a complete audio overhaul, I would be absolutely over the moon.
I also can't wait to hear what FM5 sounds like. It will be glorious!
Edit: I lied. I would also be over the moon if the clutch was fixed
It hasn't been working well for them for a long time.
I swear, if the only change in GT6 was a complete audio overhaul, I would be absolutely over the moon.
I also can't wait to hear what FM5 sounds like. It will be glorious!
Edit: I lied. I would also be over the moon if the clutch was fixed
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
those screens were taken with the ps3 xmb screen capture @ 720p, as were these
dem jaggies
Of course anything I say about video compression and Youtube goes universally but it only shows that both games perform on a even higher level on sound but the gap in quality between the games is still the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uowcA8cyEI
Metalmurphy
Member
Last pack was in September.
Complete list ere:
http://www.xboxplayers.com/site/showthread.php?3586-Forza-motorsport-4-DLC-and-Unicorn-car-list
Didn't Bish say he was lumping all 'sim' racers into one thread?
Seriously? I hope not. At least keep the PC and Console side separate.
SniperHunter
Banned
I agree, the PC guys are extremely annoying to say the least.
Do they have bi-weekly events or community things going on in F4 though?
Metalmurphy
Member
Not Bish, Nirolak
I hate these dumb "dick" contests anyway, I'm a car guy and very use to the internal fighting between brands. I'm a Ford guy no doubt but I love the Corvette and everything old school.
I think they are both great games and I would play both if I could but this forum fighting about which is better is just down right dumb.
I think they are both great games and I would play both if I could but this forum fighting about which is better is just down right dumb.
those screens were taken with the ps3 xmb screen capture @ 720p, as were these
dem jaggies
looks good, too bad my tv screen wont show it like that
pretty much agree with all of this
SolidSnakex
Member
Then why participate in it? I've posted in this thread for a while but I never say anything bad about Forza (at least I don't think I have). You can post in it without throwing daggers back and forth.
gutterboy44
Member
We need some new oil on this fire. If neither game is doing 120fps next gen they are both dead to me! Is that the annoying enough for, "PC people?" On a serious note, any die hard racing sim fan needs to try out a racing game at true 120fps. Sooogood.gif
Why can't people enjoy both PC and console racing sims or did I miss a meeting somewhere? It is a shame that a thread like this is going to be worthless if new Forza is next box and GT6 on PS3.
Why can't people enjoy both PC and console racing sims or did I miss a meeting somewhere? It is a shame that a thread like this is going to be worthless if new Forza is next box and GT6 on PS3.
So when someone does throw a dagger saying "thread over" because of a single video I'm not supposed to chime in?
Red Chocobo
Banned
A comparison with a pic someone posted a few pages back:
Why stop there? Let's take on PCars too (I actually prefer the look of GT5. PCars just has this NFS look to it that makes it look great, but not quite real)
Why stop there? Let's take on PCars too
(I actually prefer the look of GT5. PCars just has this NFS look to it that makes it look great, but not quite real)
Windom Earle
Member
Even with 8xMSAA you will not get a jaggy free image at 720p (Not even @1080p). If anything, TV filters help.
GT5 has really nice IQ for a console game, but of course there is aliasing.
GT5 has really nice IQ for a console game, but of course there is aliasing.
seattle6418
Member
Supercar Challenge had great "chassis sound". I'm not kidding, anybody who has played knows it, and it ads to the immersion.
I understand the reasoning behind the digital sounds, and TBH, i think i would take good fake sounds any day.
How so? Just elitism?
(I don't really expect you to elaborate and I'm not offended, but just curious as to why)
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
The lighting is horrible in that video, the car looks like plastic not metal and track is so reflective.
You know I've realised something. This thread has plenty of GT5 gifs but no Forza gifs. Weird.
A comparison with a pic someone posted a few pages back:
Why stop there? Let's take on PCars too
You do not want to get in a picture comparison with PCars.
Also if you're going to compare pictures at least use the same car in the same configuration...
The lighting is horrible in that video, the car looks like plastic not metal and track is so reflective.
You know I've realised something. This thread has plenty of GT5 gifs but no Forza gifs. Weird.
787B isn't a metal car... Kevlar/carbonfibre composite....
No one here is arguing that Forza 4 has better lighting than GT5 the video was to show the sound of Forza 4 is one of the draws of the game to many racers...
Red Chocobo
Banned
They don't all have the same models. So you have to get the closest thing.
I'm sure people can live with them not being the exact model. Lets not get that fickle :/
Ferrari 458 is in both games in the same color and configuration, same with a dozen other supercars...
Red Chocobo
Banned
Okay...
Sure, let's compare Pre-Alpha to a finished product now, I'm in!
That man speaks the truth.
You're doing a direct comparison between two games, it's pretty obvious you should be using the most similar conditions you can possible.
There are dozens of cars in each of the games that are in the same configuration stock.
annoying in their superiority?
Red Chocobo
Banned
You mean..... like I have been?
Windom Earle
Member
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Oh I thought you were comparing graphics. My bad. Mazda 787B is one of the few cars in GT5 that actually sounds great. You could of picked far worse examples.
PCars definitely has more detailed models at least in photomode it seems.
Metalmurphy
Member
So, what about GTA4? From the PC screenshot thread:
Aren't they all using Forza model exports?
brotkasten
Member
Aren't they all using Forza model exports?
Isn't that technically piracy?
Oh, that's what you noticed? Lol, perspective is a crazy thing.
Anyway, the IQ of GT is fine. Not great but good enough. There's some annoying shimmer or something going on but I fault myself for setting up my wheel 5 feet from a 73 inch screen. All things considered it holds up well.
Aren't they all using Forza model exports?
yes, shame you cant export gt5 models as the forza's f40 model is abysmal
Windom Earle
Member
Aren't they all using Forza model exports?
Yeah, a lot of them are from Forza and Shift I think. But with the right ENB you can finally see those models with good lighting and IQ.
Metalmurphy
Member
Believe me I was trying to be fair on a sound comparison by picking a car in GT5 that was actually done for GT5.