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[THRILLH0]

Is anyone else getting disc read errors despite installing the game?

The game boots and I can navigate menus and select events but between the track and "environment" loading screens I've been getting errors all night. Career, multi, it happens at the same spot in the race loading process every time.

My disc is spotless.

 

[saladine1]

For me, weather,night or dirt in a game like Forza means variety more than anything else. It gets tiresome racing in the same conditions over and over no matter how good the game is.
Sure, it's hard and not always 'fun' to drive in those said conditions, but it does take you away from the monotony of clear skies and dryz-a-bone surfaces, and sometimes, that's a place I would like to be...

 

[Shaneus]

For me, weather,night or dirt in a game like Forza means variety more than anything else. It gets tiresome racing in the same conditions over and over no matter how good the game is.
Sure, it's hard and not always 'fun' to drive in those said conditions, but it does take you away from the monotony of clear skies and dryz-a-bone surfaces, and sometimes, that's a place I would like to be...

Just for you, FM5 will be night and dirt.

No Bathurst.

Then see how you like it.

 

[saladine1]

Just for you, FM5 will be night and dirt.

No Bathurst.

Then see how you like it.

lol, unfortunately, we've been living without Bathurst for quite some time now, so the prospect of night/dirt over Mount Panorama would be met warmly...

 

[Neo 007]

rFactor and your set

 

[p3tran]

night/rain etc is just icing on a cake. and it's not like they have perfected beyond improvement the meat of the game and now all that remains is ..night racing
I just prefer the best possible cake, instead of a medium one with icing on top.

night racing was there in forza 1, and it was those races I played the least.
and since forza 1 had full online capabilities, it wouldnt surprize me to learn that by monitoring what was played, they concluded that in reality its no big deal.
I sure know how it was for me and my peeps, and while I still miss some tracks from forza1, I sure dont miss night racing.

most probably it will be included again in the next installment, just in order to be able to tick some boxes. I just hope it doesnt take resources away from more important aspects of the game.

 

[Wazzim]

Night racing isn't taxing at all, they just need to take the time to adjust IBL for it. I'm sure they could do it as DLC if they really cared about it.

 

[h3ro]

Not gonna lie. I miss the old M. Rossi.

Forza4 Rossi is like Schumi post his comeback with Mercedes. :/

 

[Arucardo]

Night racing isn't taxing at all, they just need to take the time to adjust IBL for it. I'm sure they could do it as DLC if they really cared about it.

Yeah, adding individual moving light sources for every car on the track that should cast shadows isn't taxing at all. *roll eyes*

 

[Wazzim]

Yeah, adding individual moving light sources for every car on the track that should cast shadows isn't taxing at all. *roll eyes*

Fujumi Kaido in the night is far less taxing than the day one when you can reduce the viewing distance and darken other parts of the track. That will easily make up for the lights of the cars.
You can test this with PC (racing) games, most run better at night.

 

[G Rom]

FK doesn't have any lights in the environment compared to "normal" racetracks like Sebring, Le Mans, etc...
Imagine Sunset Peninsula oval from FM1 but with accurate shadows for 16+ cars, I think I would be as amazed as when I first saw the track in FM1.

 

[Arucardo]

Fujumi Kaido in the night is far less taxing than the day one when you can reduce the viewing distance and darken other parts of the track. That will easily make up for the lights of the cars.
You can test this with PC (racing) games, most run better at night.

As G Rom said, FK is one of the few that can work like that. I've been in to pc gaming long enough to know how significant the effects on performance are when adding/decreasing lighting and/or shadows.

 

[Wazzim]

As G Rom said, FK is one of the few that can work like that. I've been in to pc gaming long enough to know how significant the effects on performance are when adding/decreasing lighting and/or shadows.

That's why I specifically chose FK as example ;-)
Tracks without many lighting poles like FK and the Ring in night would be awesome as DLC no?

 

[G Rom]

I would rather get a revamped Nordschleife before getting it at night. Being stuck with this beyond terrible version (especially after playing GT5's Ring) is perhaps my biggest disappointment about FM4 with no Spaurst as a close second and Le Mans looking terrible as a third.
I still don't get why Le Mans, Sebring, Road Atlanta and the Nordschleife (since the 24h layout isn't in...) didn't get alternate times of day though. Those tracks would have made much more sense IMO than the one we got. Overcast on more tracks and not just the TGTT would have been nice too.

 

[Iknos]

Weather/night has nothing to do with loving cars but a lot to do with motorsport.

In the end I can clearly see it's a design choice as the game is locked at 60 fps and weather/night would have changed that.

Would rather see things that would not affect performance that could be in the game. Rally with various road surfaces for one. Each event having practice then qualify then race day. each but the last being skippable for casuals but lucrative for those that do them. Real autocross at the benchmark park lot. True 1:1 steering dammit lol.

 

[flyinpiranha]

That's why I specifically chose FK as example ;-)
Tracks without many lighting poles like FK and the Ring in night would be awesome as DLC no?

I would love to have weather and night for variety but only having it on certain tracks is kind of a downer for me. I expect to see it fully implemented next gen but for now I'd hate to see some track DLC that is the same track we have only night.

I'm not against either of course, but I'd love to see it implemented realistically where you aren't sure about weather conditions when a track comes up until it tells you. Would be awesome for seasons like during the summer you get mostly sunny and a scattering of night races, then come fall and later in the year there is spots or rain. Being able to choose tires for rainy conditions or wet conditions and such.

I wouldn't be against only 1 or 2 tracks having night of course, I just don't think it can be implemented well into the career.

Man, I'm barely level 28 right now and talking about the next one ... gotta get my head back in the game!

 

[G Rom]

I would love to have weather and night for variety but only having it on certain tracks is kind of a downer for me. I expect to see it fully implemented next gen but for now I'd hate to see some track DLC that is the same track we have only night.

I'm not against either of course, but I'd love to see it implemented realistically where you aren't sure about weather conditions when a track comes up until it tells you. Would be awesome for seasons like during the summer you get mostly sunny and a scattering of night races, then come fall and later in the year there is spots or rain. Being able to choose tires for rainy conditions or wet conditions and such.

I wouldn't be against only 1 or 2 tracks having night of course, I just don't think it can be implemented well into the career.

Man, I'm barely level 28 right now and talking about the next one ... gotta get my head back in the game!

You need to dream even bigger. Have the game connect to the weather channel and grab real time weather conditions for the tracks you race on. Combine that with a mode (that you can remove) a la MSR where you're racing in real local time...
Fuck, Turn 10 could then post special events online taking place during real races like ALMS races, 24h of Le Mans, 12h of Sebring, Bathurst 1000, etc... and you'd essentially be runing with the exact same conditions as the real race during the whole thing. All those races would then be replayable with the same conditions after the live event.

As always, one can dream... :-D

 

[SarBear]

If you guys want to get a Neogaf racing Tournament/Rivals challenge going I can provide unicorns/credits as prizes. If anyone is up for setting it up PM me, I know Diablo had something planned before IRL picked up.

Quoted for glory.

 

[Shortt Sirket]

Major Nelson just announced the cars in the November DLC on Twitter. On my phone in the bathroom so I can't copy and paste right now. No release date other than "November."

Edit: Here are the cars:

2012 Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4
2012 Aston Martin Virage
2011 #2 Audi Sport Team Joest R15++ TDI
2011 Audi RS3 Sportback
1957 Chevrolet Bel Air
2012 Dodge Charger SRT8
2011 Ferrari #62 Risi Competizione F458 Italia
2013 Ford Focus ST
1992 GMC Typhoon
2011 Volkswagen Scirocco R

And here is the trailer: http://www.whosay.com/larry/videos/84561

Good list, except missing one thing...



......WHERE IS MY GODDAM DODGE OMNI GLH-S! I am not playing anymore man! I NEED this car!

 

[cbox]

that was a badass trailer, they oughta put those angles during replays.

Link

http://www.whosay.com/larry/videos/84561

 

[Wazzim]

Major Nelson just announced the cars in the November DLC on Twitter. On my phone in the bathroom so I can't copy and paste right now.

Trailer

The cars include: 2012 Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 2012 Aston Martin Virage 2011 #2 Audi Sport Team Joest R15++ TDI (1/3)
2011 Audi RS3 Sportback 1957 Chevrolet Bel Air 2012 Dodge Charger SRT8 2011 Ferrari #62 Risi Competizione F458 Italia (2/3)
2013 Ford Focus ST 1992 GMC Typhoon (3/3) #Forza4 2011 Volkswagen Scirocco R

560 spacebucks

EDIT: fuck, beaten lol

 

[rocksteady1983]

FUUUUUUUU 1957 Chevy Bel Air.

Now I have to buy it. Favorite car of all-time!

 

[Cptkrush]

2012 Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4
2012 Aston Martin Virage
2011 #2 Audi Sport Team Joest R15++ TDI
2011 Audi RS3 Sportback
1957 Chevrolet Bel Air
2012 Dodge Charger SRT8
2011 Ferrari #62 Risi Competizione F458 Italia
2013 Ford Focus ST
1992 GMC Typhoon
2011 Volkswagen Scirocco R

I want it now.

 

[Shortt Sirket]

Quoted for glory.

I'd quote YER glory!

Yeah...

....god I need more sleep.

 

[amar212]

Jube, anyone:

What is the time-availability policy of the Season Pass?

If I purchase it later than November 1st, will I able to download the #1 DLC pack in the retro-active fashion or is it valid 6-months in advance after purchasing?

Thanx in adv.

 

[SarBear]

Major Nelson just announced the cars in the November DLC on Twitter. On my phone in the bathroom so I can't copy and paste right now. No release date other than "November."

Edit: Here are the cars:

2012 Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4
2012 Aston Martin Virage
2011 #2 Audi Sport Team Joest R15++ TDI
2011 Audi RS3 Sportback
1957 Chevrolet Bel Air
2012 Dodge Charger SRT8
2011 Ferrari #62 Risi Competizione F458 Italia
2013 Ford Focus ST
1992 GMC Typhoon
2011 Volkswagen Scirocco R

And here is the trailer: http://www.whosay.com/larry/videos/84561

Good list, except missing one thing...



......WHERE IS MY GODDAM 03/04 MUSTANG COBRA! I am not playing anymore man! I NEED this car!

Fixed

 

[CrunchinJelly]

F yes. New Focus. Finally.

 

[DasRaven]

2012 Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4
2012 Aston Martin Virage
2011 #2 Audi Sport Team Joest R15++ TDI
2011 Audi RS3 Sportback
1957 Chevrolet Bel Air
2012 Dodge Charger SRT8
2011 Ferrari #62 Risi Competizione F458 Italia
2013 Ford Focus ST
1992 GMC Typhoon
2011 Volkswagen Scirocco R
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Good list, except missing one thing...

......WHERE IS MY GODDAM DODGE OMNI GLH-S! I am not playing anymore man! I NEED this car!

I'm with you there, but I can say that I love everything in this pack. And if it is to be released on November 1st, that means all the future monthly packs will probably be the 1st Tuesday of each month from here on.

I'm guessing the Scirocco R will be the freebie.

 

[shinnn]

fuck yes

 

[G Rom]

Wait, there are people excited by the new Focus ? It's so ugly compared to the previous gens (first one, EU version remains the best looking IMO).

Anyway, pretty awesome pack. We knew some of those cars were coming (RS3, Aventador, Focus, Virage) but some are nice surprises like the 458, the R15 and the Charger.
BTW, you can already somewhat make yourself a Scirroco R in the game. The GT version has the OEM kits available.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Aventador, 458 GT, and R15++ are all win. I'm eagerly anticipating the Huayra once it's released from the shackles of EA captivity.

I'll probably pick up a Season Pass before this pack comes out. Don't want to miss anything.

 

[Shortt Sirket]

Aventador, 458 GT, and R15++ are all win. I'm eagerly anticipating the Huayra once it's released from the shackles of EA captivity.

I'll probably pick up a Season Pass before this pack comes out. Don't want to miss anything.

I am still trying to be optimistic about the same thing happening for Porsche. Maybe if the The Run comes out and fails hard enough, EA will need to recoup some of those losses.

Hey, we can hope, right?

But this is a really nice pack. I am stoked for the Lambo, the RS3, the 458GT (which would look amazing in flat black WHICH WE CAN'T HAVE) and the Typhoon.

 

[twinturbo2]

Aventador? '57 Chevy?

HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG

Season Pass purchase justified!

 

[Snubbers]

I've just noticed that some cars have the number plate holder modelled (e.g. Chevy Spark), but you can't actually put a number plate on it as you can't paint on it..

It's these little things that just unnecessarily seem to niggle me these days.. I'd love to think that T10 would step up on the patching front for some of these small things (mirrors the wrong way, and all that jazz), but I doubt they will..

Other then that, have been doing the crap out of 1 rival event (For a TT some site is doing), and damn, if the new physics/audio aren't really growing on me..

 

[G Rom]

The sound of the Aventador shall be glorious !
Just thinking about it brings a smile on my face.

Speaking of which, sound is something that is easily forgotten in the next gen dreams. I hope the additionnal disc space and horsepower will allow for less compressed sounds. There's no doubt that we're loosing lots of details this gen.

 

[BADNED]

...


......WHERE IS MY GODDAM DODGE OMNI GLH-S! I am not playing anymore man! I NEED this car!

Be patient. It is coming just a little bit later.

 

[U n i o n 0015]

A good selection there. Aventador should be badass.

Still doesn't make up for making the LP640 a unicorn, though.

 

[Shortt Sirket]

Just for fun and because I really don't want to do any work today I have been going back through the Forzalopnik polls. Here are all the cars that started the contest and the bolded ones have made it into Forza. (Some are a year or so off, but its the same model essentially)

Round One Winners: Group I
1. 1999 BMW M5
2. 1982 DeLorean DMC-12
3. 1960 Aston Martin DB4 GT Zagato
4. 1982 Lancia 037 Stradale
5. 1971 De Tomaso Pantera
6. 1987 BMW M5
7. 1977 Mazda RX-3SP
8. 1968 Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale
9. 1995 Volvo 850 T5-R
10. 1998 Alfa Romeo 155 GTA

Round One Winners: Group II
1. 1977 Aston Martin V8 Vantage:
2. 1994 Porsche 928 GTS
3. 1996 Subaru Impreza WRX Type R STi
4. 1970 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona
5. 1998 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V GSR
6. 1992 GMC Syclone
7. 1971 Ford Mustang Mach 1
8. 1959 BMW 507
9. 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE
10. 1973 Ford Falcon GT XB

Round One Winners: Group III
1. 1992 Ford Escort RS Cosworth
2. 1960 Ferrari 250 GT SWB California Spyder
3. 1987 Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500
4. 1990 Toyota Celica GT-Four ST185
5. 1989 Ford Taurus SHO
6. 1977 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
7. 1956 Lotus Eleven
8. 1969 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
9. 1971 De Tomaso Mangusta
10. 1986 Honda CRX Si

Round One Winners: Group IV
1. 1973 BMW 2002 Turbo
2. 1980 Lotus Esprit 2.2
3. 1998 Aston Martin V8 Vantage V600
4. 1974 Ford Escort RS1600
5. 1988 Pontiac Fiero GT
6. 1996 Audi RS2 Avant
7. 1980 Mercedes-Benz 450 SLC AMG Group 2
8. 1992 Jaguar XJR-15
9. 1989 Toyota MR2 SC
10. 1997 Honda Civic Type R

The Also-Rans:
1968 Oldsmobile Hurst/Olds 442
1988 Mitsubishi Starion ESI-R
1988 Volkswagen Golf GTI VR6
1970 Buick GSX
1979 Lancia Montecarlo
1971 Ford Falcon GTHO Phase III XY
1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator
1992 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4
1957 Ford Thunderbird
1962 Ford Thunderbird

Round One, Group V
1. 1999 Lotus Elise Sport 190
2. 1984 BMW M635CSi
3. 1969 Pontiac GTO Judge
4. 1981 Volkswagen Scirocco S
5. 1966 Jaguar XJ13
6. 1984 Peugeot 205 Turbo 16
7. 1988 Nissan GTS-R R31
8. 1965 Pontiac GTO
9. 1970 Alfa Romeo Montreal
10. 1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z28

The Also-Rans:
1991 Nissan Pulsar GTI-R
1983 Volvo 242 Group A Homologation
1978 Ford Mustang King Cobra
1992 Nissan 240SX SE
1964 Chevrolet Impala SS
1997 Subaru Alcoyne SVX
1986 Peugeot 205 GTi
1999 Vauxhall Vectra GSi
2000 Lexus SC300
1994 Volkswagen Polo G40

Round One, Group VI
1. 2002 BMW Z3 M Coupe
2. 1955 Porsche 550A Spyder
3. 1990 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evo II
4. 1959 Aston Martin DBR1
5. 1970 Plymouth Hemi 'Cuda
6. 1965 Ford Mustang Coupe (Fastback)
7. 2000 BMW Z8
8. 1970 Datsun 240Z
9. 1997 Ford Probe GTS
10. 1995 BMW 850CSi

The Also-Rans
1965 Porsche 356 Carrera 2
1995 Ferrari 348 GTS
1986 Dodge Shelby Omni GLHS (we know its coming)
1993 Saab 900 Turbo
1986 Ford Capri 3.0S
1970 Dodge Coronet R/T
1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
1993 Renault Clio Williams
1970 Toyota Corolla
2000 Toyota Chaser

And these were the Commenter Golden Ticket Cars: (some duplications)

1977 Saab 99 Turbo
1983 Volvo 242 Group A Homologated
1986 Dodge Shelby Omni GLHS
1992 Nissan 240SX SE
1965 MG MGB GT
1972 Ford Gran Torino Sport
1987 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS
1988 Mitsubishi Starion
1993 GMC Typhoon
1965 Fiat Abarth 1000 TCR
1969 Chevrolet Nova SS
1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator
1972 Mercedes-Benz 300 SEL 6.3
1978 Ford Mustang King Cobra

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It obviously doesn't prove anything, but it definitely seems like Turn10 is still using these polls as a blueprint for future DLC. There are still quite a few on these lists that I really want, so let's hope they keep it up. I really want some old school Japanese "muscle" like the old Corolla, and RX3 and the Kenmari GT-R.

Edit:

Be patient. It is coming just a little bit later.

Always with the teasing man! I can't hold out much longer as I require 2.2 liters of questionable fury! It has always been my favorite "sleeper" car and I just want it. Oh, can you throw in the Pulsar GTi-R (with an RB engine swap option) while you are at it? Because that would be AWESOME!

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

8. 1968 Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale

:O

Make it happen, Turn 10.

 

[G Rom]

BADNED already said on FC that Turn 10 indeed used Forzalopnik to see where the interest was regarding classics.
I think my most wanted from the list are the 205 T16 followed by the Clio Williams.
The 1970 Corolla has already been confirmed for a futur DLC BTW.

 

[enzo_gt]

That's a DAMN SOLID list of cars right there. Trailer needed more TYPHOON.

I think the Hot Holidays one was the most jam packed in terms of awesome (which is coincidentally the only one I bought), but this is good too.

Is there a list of rumoured/hinted at DLC cars that I'm unaware of?

 

[Shortt Sirket]

BADNED already said on FC that Turn 10 indeed used Forzalopnik to see where the interest was regarding classics.
I think my most wanted from the list are the 205 T16 followed by the Clio Williams.
The 1970 Corolla has already been confirmed for a futur DLC BTW.

Really? Where? I know there were more on the TofuR leak (like the escort 1600 and the older Celica GT-Four) but I don't think that's still viable is it?

 

[skyfinch]

Because night racing is real. Weather is real. Do yourself a favor one day and tag along to someone's track day. You will quickly realize that there is way more to racing/high performance driving than what Forza 4 presents to players.

Forza is like some sterilized car porn version of what people actually have to do to go drive on a track. It's marketed as a game for people who love cars, but, in fact, it's a game that presents a stylized, imaginary version of the real thing.

I think one of the things amazing about games is when they can structure things in such a way that players learn something in real life. Forza 4 is a very good game. But it's full of wasted potential and doesn't try to educate the player in any way. When Turn 10 opts to omit things like night racing or weather in the name of 60 fps, that's certainly a design choice ... but it isn't the choice of someone who loves cars.

Sorry, but this doesn't make any sense. Weather and night racing has nothing to with loving cars. A person who loves cars should be drooling over Autovista, the ability to tune their cars, take photos of their car, paint and customize their cars. Rain and weather are aspects of racing. Racing is just part of car passion, not the whole.

And to be perfectly honest, when it comes to racing, I prefer a solid 60fps.

 

[G Rom]

BADNED added it to the car list over at FC (down at the moment) a while ago. The Gran Torino was also confirmed by him.
The Veloster is also supposed to end up in the game at some point, it was spotted in an ad or something IIRC.

 

[sneaky77]

Sorry, but this doesn't make any sense. Weather and night racing has nothing to with loving cars. A person who loves cars should be drooling over Autovista, the ability to tune their cars, take photos of their car, paint and customize their cars. Rain and weather are aspects of racing. Racing is just part of car passion, not the whole.

And to be perfectly honest, when it comes to racing, I prefer a solid 60fps.

I rather have night than weather, and I would take more tracks over either. But 60fps is silky smooth and it makes a big difference. I just wished I could feel the bumps on the road like I see on my drivers animation, they could have done a better job with rumble

 

[Magni]

You drive with a GAMEPAD!!!

Just kidding. Nothing against pad users, but they should be left off the leaderboards and should only be able to drive short buses.

I'll stop driving with a pad if you buy me a Fanatec

 

[skyfinch]

I rather have night than weather, and I would take more tracks over either. But 60fps is silky smooth and it makes a big difference. I just wished I could feel the bumps on the road like I see on my drivers animation, they could have done a better job with rumble

Yeah. Very surprised that a track like Sebring (the entire section at the start line), was left the way it was from FM3.. Nurburgring GP is still the only track with variations that you can feel.

 

[Shortt Sirket]

BADNED added it to the car list over at FC (down at the moment) a while ago. The Gran Torino was also confirmed by him.
The Veloster is also supposed to end up in the game at some point, it was spotted in an ad or something IIRC.

Yeah, I noticed that when I was trying to get a car list for Forza 4. I swear, they always have some problems with their webhosts. I feel bad for them because BADNED does a lot to help and seems to get absolutely nothing in return.

 

[G Rom]

I rather have night than weather, and I would take more tracks over either. But 60fps is silky smooth and it makes a big difference. I just wished I could feel the bumps on the road like I see on my drivers animation, they could have done a better job with rumble

Rumble was perfect in FM3, don't know why they changed it for worse. You can come close to FM3 by playing with a wired controller though.

 

[eek5]

Rumble was perfect in FM3, don't know why they changed it for worse. You can come close to FM3 by playing with a wired controller though.

Honestly it almost feels like a bug to me. For example I remember hitting jumps in Postiano in FM3 and you could feel your car catch air and land but I didn't notice that I got air on Alps until I watched the replay. WTH?