there are a series of tire marks entering into the corner, with most cars you can get just past the 3rd mark. the first 2 are on the left side of the road, almost together, the 3rd, and the one you want to brake after, is after and more centered. at least if i remember correctly, this post is made entirely from memory.
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there are a series of tire marks entering into the corner, with most cars you can get just past the 3rd mark. the first 2 are on the left side of the road, almost together, the 3rd, and the one you want to brake after, is after and more centered. at least if i remember correctly, this post is made entirely from memory.
NullPointer
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Any help is appreciated, so thank you. I'll keep an eye out for those marks. The track is so damn flat it can be difficult to get your bearings.
yeah, i hate it. i think i may actually prefer indy!
but honestly, they both suck. thank god we at least got infineon or the new real-life tracks added to fm4 would be a complete bust IMO
There's distance markers on the side of the road, so there should be no problem in judging your braking point.
I'm willing to bet money that your problem is that you are arriving at the braking point at different speeds most every time, making the 'perfect' braking point elusive. What you need to look at is how you come off the corner leading on to the long back straight. Its a tricky corner and the immediate, off-camber left-hand kink makes it even more difficult, especially in a high-powered car where its hard to get grip down. What you need to do is work on that corner and get some consistent form through it.
This is made even more difficult by the very 1st corner of the track being difficult to be consistent through each lap, so arriving at the next corner in the same way each lap is a compounding difficulty.
This lesson can be applied to many different tracks. If you get a good exit out of a corner, your braking point for the next corner will be earlier than if you got a worse exit since you're arriving at a different speed. Learning to be really quick involves learning consistency. And learning to be a great racer involves learning to adjust or adapt your braking point or your driving line when need be, whether its caused by a mistake by you or having somebody near you that you need cover, overtake, or leave room for.
This shit is an art form. The best guys make it look easy, but the amount of stuff going on underneath is pretty crazy.
Personally, I love the challenge it provides. You cant blame Turn 10 for anything. Its the exact same in real-life. And I love the 2nd half of the track. Some great corners - a mix of fast and flowing and technical and demanding. You need both skill and balls to do well there.
I try. It's scary as hell every single time, though. lol
Bro, you need to come race with us this weekend. I'm promising you, the intel you learn with us will go a long way. I've learned so much watching Seanspeen, Nagge, Retrobrand, and others.
BTW, I'm drunk as FUCK right now.
NullPointer
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Thanks for the advice Seanspeed. Consistency with the controller has been the hardest thing for me to get right, it's true. Though with enough practice I can learn the rhythm of the track and try to hone my technique. I'll try to pay more attention to smooth and consistent exits.
And I didn't mean to blame Turn 10 for Hockenheim being a personally difficult track - its more of a graphics/sim complaint. The flatter and longer the track the more the turns and trackside detail disappear into pixelated noise and the more you lose your sense of distance and depth. Its a limitation of the medium I think, but made even worse by the layout of certain tracks.
I have a feeling I'm going to grow to like Hockenheimring once I can break it in.
And I didn't mean to blame Turn 10 for Hockenheim being a personally difficult track - its more of a graphics/sim complaint. The flatter and longer the track the more the turns and trackside detail disappear into pixelated noise and the more you lose your sense of distance and depth. Its a limitation of the medium I think, but made even worse by the layout of certain tracks.
I have a feeling I'm going to grow to like Hockenheimring once I can break it in.
Shortt Sirket
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I might be in on Sunday. Put me as tentative. We didn't get to go to the Chicago Auto show yesterday so we are aiming on Sunday. If we don't go then I will be there to race.
UFC and KoA have just been sucking all my time recently.
UFC and KoA have just been sucking all my time recently.
KoA? as in, white trash camping?
Shortt Sirket
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As in Kingdoms of Amalur. What in the world are you talking about?
Shortt Sirket
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KoA, Kampgrounds of America!
the perfect vacation!
Dude, I know what you are talking about now! They are all over around where I live.
yeah KOA is pretty awesome so far
I really like KoA camp grounds. Shit.
there is a pretty killer one in willits CA, near ukiah, with an awesome disc golf course, miniture golf, and even a petting zoo!
so yeah, whats to hate?
not real camping though. /camping snob
Introducing my Kaido challenger. 415hp, 2584lbs, 0-60 in 3.3 seconds. My Golf R-Rally edition:
sounds like a beast. i wont be able to race this weekend, but i'll try to find the time to throw a car together and post some times here for the hell of it. would be nice to see some others too as you practice for sunday
I won't race either but I'm building cars as we speak and I already got your Golf beaten (on paper) by the Polo GTI I just built.Introducing my Kaido challenger. 415hp, 2584lbs, 0-60 in 3.3 seconds. My Golf R-Rally edition:
0-60 in 2.67s, 2600 lbs, 441 hp.
The Scirocco R is a little bit slower on paper (3.1s) but handles like a dream with its race package.
BTW, shouldn't the cars be restricted to Production hatchbacks to exclude the Velsoter and the 207 S2000 ?
I'll have some times to post soon. Gonna work more on the setup first, though.
I could add a bit more power but being Kaido, its not my top priority.I won't race either but I'm building cars as we speak and I already got your Golf beaten (on paper) by the Polo GTI I just built.
0-60 in 2.67s, 2600 lbs, 441 hp.
The Scirocco R is a little bit slower on paper (3.1s) but handles like a dream with its race package.
BTW, shouldn't the cars be restricted to Production hatchbacks to exclude the Velsoter and the 207 S2000 ?
And yea, taking out the race cars as options is a good idea.
I was really just doing it for the money. Kept stopping after every beat time. Won about a million credits doing it overall, including leveling up and whatnot. I'm actually not happy with my time. Easily another .5 to a full second left. Car handles like crap and its easy to make a costly mistake, which I did make a couple of on my lap.
Instead of paying a monthly due, I'd like to put down a few million as a 'year's membership' plus whatever, if thats ok. I *will* be playing this game for the next year and more, so there's no worry about me going anywhere. And if I do, y'all will have some extra money for it, but that shouldn't happen.
Also, to Op Ivy - first run with my revised setup on Kaido - did a 8:22.8. Its invalidated due to brushing a wall one too many times, but that only slowed me down. Definitely more time to come. Car is handling nicely, though. I'm so not used to messing around with AWD cars and I've been surprised at how much I toe I can run to get some decent turn-in. Makes a huge difference, but I'm still working on getting the rear to follow the front like I'd like it to.
As for S-class Nurburgring, phew! Its so hard to do these long tracks without getting an invalidated time. My current time looks pretty terrible, but I'll give it a go sometime soon. I see you've run a Q1 for your time. I'll bring mine out as well:
Yup full circuit.
which one is the uphill variant everyone is mentioning?
new hill climb, or the first half of the full circuit (not reverse)
Okay. Well when SarBear says full circuit (uphill) for this weekend which variant is he referring to there? The way I see it, you go up and down no matter which way you go. Is one way more uphill??
yeah, that was my question too. according to seanspeed, its the full circuit, which makes sense if the race is timed for 22 minutes
08 sti, got a 8:37 and change. pretty pleased with the uphill section, not so pleased with the downhill. i know the first half well from the suzuki rivals event a few months back but i really dont know the back half at all and i'm sure i'm losing huge time there. also, figure i'm good for at least a few seconds quicker just by having a rolling start rather than starting from a dead stop.
Wait, so does any car with an actual hatchback count? Or is it limited to the body style as classified by the game? Because an STi doesn't fall into that category...
NullPointer
Member
Alright, this cracked me the fuck up
Been busy as hell, but I'll try to join you guys this weekend if I can. I may not have the skill, but I do have the drive and I truly love the challenge.
Damn - i clearly need to work on my tuning. Have been tweaking a Scirocco R but can't get it any quicker than 3.8 atm
The Making of Forza Motorsport 4: Car Sourcing
Man, there's a lot of work there just to get 1 car into the game let alone 500+!
Seriously, Nick Wiswell is a master at his work. Positioning mics at focal areas of a car is genius.
I'd love to know what other magic he has planned for FM5....
Man, there's a lot of work there just to get 1 car into the game let alone 500+!
Seriously, Nick Wiswell is a master at his work. Positioning mics at focal areas of a car is genius.
I'd love to know what other magic he has planned for FM5....
The lap timer doesn't start til you cross the line, so when you begin, reverse back/do a U-turn and head through the very final turn of the lap. Then turn back around to the normal direction, put your foot down and you can start the lap at full-speed.
A .7 difference from G Rom's Scirocco sounds like y'all have different builds, so its probably not a tuning problem. Also, 0-60 time isn't that important if you're doing the Kaido challenge. Getting the car around the corners well should be top priority.
yeah, i invented that trick! didnt use it though as i was really focusing on re-learning the course. also, with a launch of 10, a running start would probably realistically only net me a second or so overall... not the huge gain it would otherwise be, especially on an 8 and a half minute long lap.
i didnt realize the game categorized them as well. i'll look into it, but there is no way the 08 sti is not a hatch! i'm not competing sunday, but i would like to compare some times before then, so i do want to be comparing apples to apples... but i refuse to race a vw!
Shortt Sirket
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I really need to get back into Forza. Been spending waaaay too much time on UFC and Kingdoms of Amalur. Then next month is Mass Effect and then The Witcher 2 after that.
But no matter what, Forza is one of those games that I always come back to. It is pretty much the only one that I actually do that with. I will play other games once and enjoy them, but that is it. Forza will keep drawing me back and when it does, I start playing it like it was new again.
But no matter what, Forza is one of those games that I always come back to. It is pretty much the only one that I actually do that with. I will play other games once and enjoy them, but that is it. Forza will keep drawing me back and when it does, I start playing it like it was new again.
i'm the same way with both halo and forza. i'll play one non-stop for a week or two, then switch to the other. i dont play much else these days, as with my limited gaming time i'd simply rather play my main stays.
rayman did take my attention for several days though and i do plan to return to it to work towards 100% completion.
... and i'd like to spend some more time with the awesome tracks in shift 2. especially difficult due to how much better fm4 turned out.
looking forward, i'm interested in binary domain. awesome demo, loved the trailers. test drive ferrari as well. and of course, halo 4. that may be it this year for me!
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- 2010 Renault Megane RS 250
- Class - B 500
- Race Brakes
- Race Suspension
- Race Weight Reduction
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- No Aero
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- Class - S 700
- Hatchback
Use your best judgement of what a hatchback is
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- 07 SEAT Leon Supercup
- 07 Peugeot 207 Super 2000
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Yeah, I had a car picked out and that I wanted to use and started running laps, but then I told the game does that. I'd rather not be limited to the game's hatchbacks, but I'm not sure if that's what they had in mind when they created the race conditions...
thanks, i'll hold of racing/tuning until you post them. if it may be a while, can you give me a quick heads up if the hatchback sti qualifies?
i have a few others in mind if i need to switch, namely the focus rs and a fiesta.
Shortt Sirket
Member
You all have it wrong! Everyone knows the Dodge Omni is the greatest hatch ever built!
They have no shame reusing rushes from FM3 videos (Veyron scan, Ford GT dyno)... :lol
Also, they say models have to be approved by the manufacturers. Cleary the guy in charge of that at Ferrari is blind. I don't understand how the cockpits of the Ferrari can be so well done when a lot of exteriors look terrible (F40, Enzo Ferrari, taillights on pretty much anything not called 458 Italia, etc...)
Nice video though, I always love to see behind the seen stuff. I'd love to know more about how they choose cars, DLC, etc...
BADNED revealed some interesting stuff about DLC packs already :
BADNED said:
why do we have to rely on what the game considers a hatch? cant we just stick to true hatch backs, production models, awd?
EDIT: just saw you edited the post on this page. thanks
I think that's what we'll have to do, because there are SO many cars not properly titled. Just use your best judgement.
Thanks Saladine - great video. Good to see Turn 10 still pumping out these 'behind the scenes' pieces.
I've always regretted missing the Bizarre Creations Christmas party I was invited to a few years ago - it would have been great to meet people like Nick and quiz them about the game-making process.
I probably would have just ended up whoring the fuck out of the free bar and falling asleep in a puddle of my own piss anyway.
CrudeDiatribe
Member
Ferrari FF is a hatchback, right?
The Z3M sounds amazing, but I think I found my weapon of choice somewhere else, will post a pic once I've painted it.
The Z3M sounds amazing, but I think I found my weapon of choice somewhere else, will post a pic once I've painted it.
Ferrari FF is a hatchback, right?
The Z3M sounds amazing, but I think I found my weapon of choice somewhere else, will post a pic once I've painted it.
Use that Ferrari all you want, but you'll get smoked.
As long as it's a hatchback and all wheel drive, I'm good.
CrudeDiatribe
Member
My Ford Pinto Rallycross car, the General MacArthur:
