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[chespace]

We'll have an official video on Forzamotorsport.net soon.

And yeah, what you saw was running real-time. Screenshots came from the demo.

I'm sure there will be more press impressions posted tonight as we give them a hands-on demo of what we showed during the keynote. Some journalists may or may not talk about the graphics. That's their prerogative.

BTW, quick blog here: http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/b...010/06/14/the-future-of-forza-at-e3-2010.aspx

 

[op_ivy]

We'll have an official video on Forzamotorsport.net soon.

And yeah, what you saw was running real-time. Screenshots came from the demo.

I'm sure there will be more press impressions posted tonight as we give them a hands-on demo of what we showed during the keynote. Some journalists may or may not talk about the graphics. That's their prerogative.

gt5 will be out by the time F4 hits. make sure you have rally to compete

 

[G Rom]

Clear proof that the screenshots are NOT coming from the demo :

The tires are your typical Forza one in the demo but in the shots they are clearly labeled as Michelin.

 

[Mizzou Gaming]

The only thing I am worried about is this great thread going the way of that trash that was in the Forza vs. GT thread. Forza 3 is such a thing of beauty, it just. Can I say what I saw today looked really, really amazing?

 

[skyfinch]

"The Forza Motorsport Preview we showed during the Xbox 360 keynote was all running in real-time and in-game. Yes, the gorgeous Ferrari 458 Italia you saw is testament to the prowess of our new graphics engine and the overall power of the Xbox 360."



In-game was obviously the part where he was passing all the underpowered cars? It didn't look any better than FM3....besides the blue gloves.

 

[cgcg]

We're demo'ing the game tonight behind closed doors.

Yup, those screenshots are real-time.

Damn seriously how can someone lie so much? I mean are you mental? Do you think there are people who actually still believe in you?

 

[faberpach]

lol u have an amazing game that people love no need to lie...

the demo was amazing we'll be almost all in line to buy forza again as we had a great time but please dont lie again...

 

[Metalmurphy]

Clear proof that the screenshots are NOT coming from the demo :
[]http://i50.tinypic.com/vr96rm.png[/IMG]

The tires are your typical Forza one in the demo but in the shots they are clearly labeled as Michelin.

Ooops

 

[G Rom]

The only thing I am worried about is this great thread going the way of that trash that was in the Forza vs. GT thread. Forza 3 is such a thing of beauty, it just. Can I say what I saw today looked really, really amazing?

This topic wouldn't go to trash if Turn 10 was honest from the get go.
I think most of the people posting in this thread are fans of Forza but everyone is pissed that Turn 10 is trying to pull a Forza 3 screenshotgate 2.0, only this time it's way too obvious that it's not in-game graphics.

I really like this game/franchise and play it almost daily but since the Forza 3 announcement, Turn 10 has lied and pissed off its community more than once. First the whole screenshots being photo mode shots, then the jpeg quality, the broken online, the broken PI, etc...
If Turn 10 feel like we're questioning too much the credibility of this Forza Preview, they only have to blame themselves...


I now believe the whole live demo was real-time. If you watch carefully, the desert demo looks like it was "only" a Forza 3 458 with slightly better textures, working headlights and better shaders. You can even see screen tearing when he enters the car. Nothing not doable in 6 months.

The Forza Motorsport Preview we showed during the Xbox 360 keynote was all running in real-time and in-game. Yes, the gorgeous Ferrari 458 Italia you saw is testament to the prowess of our new graphics engine and the overall power of the Xbox 360.

I like how it's completely ignoring the screenshots...

 

[skyfinch]

Ooops, I'm in the wrong thread.

Fixed.

 

[SimpleDesign]

So this IS a full blown game and not just an add on for Kinect.

Kind of fucked up that Turn 10 were only given like 3 minutes of time on stage before being pushed off. Ubisoft had like 20 to pedal their shovel ware. Last E3 they had smoke machines and a damn Audi on stage, now they don't even get enough time to spell out what they're trying to promote. I thought it was just some DLC for FM3.

Also that hands free arcade racing bullshit looked horrible.

 

[Metalmurphy]

Fixed.

You didn't fix shit.

 

[Stinkles]

Damn seriously how can someone lie so much? I mean are you mental? Do you think there are people who actually still believe in you?

Wow.

 

[skyfinch]

You didn't fix shit.

You're better off talking your shit elsewhere. It's not like you have any interest in Forza.

 

[Apex]

Clear proof that the screenshots are NOT coming from the demo :

The tires are your typical Forza one in the demo but in the shots they are clearly labeled as Michelin.

 

[Mizzou Gaming]

This topic wouldn't go to trash if Turn 10 was honest from the get go.
I think most of the people posting in this thread are fans of Forza but everyone is pissed that Turn 10 is trying to pull a Forza 3 screenshotgate 2.0, only this time it's way too obvious that it's not in-game graphics.

I really like this game/franchise and play it almost daily but since the Forza 3 announcement, Turn 10 has lied and pissed off its community more than once. First the whole screenshots being photo mode shots, then the jpeg quality, the broken online, the broken PI, etc...
If Turn 10 feel like we're questioning too much the credibility of this Forza Preview, they only have to blame themselves...


I now believe the whole live demo was real-time. If you watch carefully, the desert demo looks like it was "only" a Forza 3 458 with slightly better textures, working headlights and better shaders. You can even see screen tearing when he enters the car. Nothing not doable in 6 months.




I like how it's completely ignoring the screenshots...[/QUOTE

Sorry, I just love me some Forza 3 is all and some people tend to blow up over tiny things is all. The game is been out for months now and while I don't post much I love to look over the screens of others and what not and hear from those that have been playing the game for a while. I try to avoid threads of games the first couple of weeks they are out because they seem to attract trolls from all sorts of directions. Just hate to see this one go back to that shit is all.

 

[skyfinch]

Forza 3 is a great game, but far from perfect. There are many issues that Turn10 need to address, and if they can do so, AND update the graphics engine, I will be very impressed. Would have hoped to see Forza4 on the next Xbox, but I can't complain.

 

[Vorg]

There is no way the cars will look like this in game. No way. Unless turn10 somehow discovered a way to unlock some sort of hardware gimmick that makes the xbox360 10x more powerful than before. Which is unlikely.

 

[op_ivy]

Wow.

its pretty fucking disgusting isnt it?

 

[Rengoku]

Clear proof that the screenshots are NOT coming from the demo :

The tires are your typical Forza one in the demo but in the shots they are clearly labeled as Michelin.

The ground textures don't even match... the screenshot's textures are significantly higher res

 

[Karram]

Whatever Turn 10 was showing at the conference was pretty lame. Even though the graphics were amazing the whole looking at cars things is so stupid. If I really want to look at cars I would look over the Internet on how they really look.

 

[skyfinch]

The ground textures don't even match... the screenshot's textures are significantly higher res

Completely different. Even the shadow cast on the ground, by the car, isn't the same (different time of day).

 

[op_ivy]

Whatever Turn 10 was showing at the conference was pretty lame. Even though the graphics were amazing the whole looking at cars things is so stupid. If I really want to look at cars I would look over the Internet on how they really look.

i have to admit, i think the time and energy would be better spent in other areas, but lets go easy on them, this has to be an insanely early look at whats in store for F4.

 

[ExtraKr1spy]

The "lies" didn't bother me like it did some people(Greenwalt's definitive presentation also didn't hurt my feelings).

What annoyed me was some of the tracks and which series/races they appeared in.

Montserrat Extreme- wasn't nearly used enough until the later series.
Amalfi - Ban A class + cars racing from this track. Awesome in slower cars aw-fucking-ful in faster cars
Motegi - Get rid of this shit
Silverstone - Great track but absolutely boring in slower cars. You don't really get a sense of how awesome it is unless you race the R1-2 cars
Barcelona - most boring track in F1 and equally boring in Forza
Fjuimi - Same as Amalfi
Sedona - awful in reverse

 

[skyfinch]

Whatever Turn 10 was showing at the conference was pretty lame. Even though the graphics were amazing the whole looking at cars things is so stupid. If I really want to look at cars I would look over the Internet on how they really look.

I do like the idea of being able to walk around the car and seeing it from virtually every angle. One of my favorite parts of PGR3 and 4 is the garage mode where you can get up and personal with your cars. Using Kinect, however, makes it seem like more work instead of making it easier.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

i have to admit, i think the time and energy would be better spent in other areas, but lets go easy on them, this has to be an insanely early look at whats in store for F4.

Yup, I would imagine it's still a good 12-18 months away.

 

[Slayer-33]

Holy shit, what is going on Che :lol :lol

 

[Metalmurphy]

*edited for uselessness* Ahh fuck it. I don't have to justify myself to you skyfinch and I'm certainly not gonna do something just cause you say it.

 

[Psychotext]

I can't help feeling that Turn 10 should have learnt a lesson from the last debacle.

On a personal note, I don't care if the game doesn't look like that in gameplay / replay, I'd be happy enough being able to generate that sort of screenshot. I'm not even going to entertain the fact that the 360 is capable of that in "real time", because it's ludicrous, and Che should really know better.

My PC might be able to do it, my 360 can't.

 

[skyfinch]

*edited for uselessness* Ahh fuck it. I don't have to justify myself to you skyfinch and I'm certainly not gonna do something just cause you say it.

I doubt you even own an Xbox let alone Forza 3, so I'm the one wasting time by replying to your useless posts. Cheers....and added to ignore list.

 

[Dash Kappei]

Hopefully I can have head tracking while still driving with a real add-on wheel and not just bullshit controller free gaming. Or at least a dynamic cockpit view similar to NFS: Shift, something Turn10 should've patched in F3 like 10 months ago...

 

[soundscream]

http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/Future_of_Forza/

The second half of the “Forza Motorsport Preview” presentation took the audience on a virtual tour of the new Ferrari 458 Italia within the expansive backdrop of the Bonneville Salt Flats in northwestern Utah. Rendered completely in real-time on the Xbox 360, the Kinect car experience allows the player to interact with the car – controller free – as if they were standing next to the vehicle in the game. With the Kinect camera tracking both full-body movement and proximity, players can literally walk up to the 458 Italia, lean into the windows for a closer look, lift the glass canopy to examine the car’s powerful V8 engine, or open the door to slide into the cockpit all with the most natural of gestures.


“Forza Motorsport Preview” is a select peek at one aspect of the future of the Forza Motorsport franchise, both in terms of the way Kinect has empowered Turn 10 to create a revolutionary way to interact with virtual cars, as well as the breathtaking foundation of a new graphics engine capable of producing the images seen in our E3 gallery. The next full Forza Motorsport experience, which utilizes some of the ideas presented in this demo, will ship in 2011.

The first bold part was what we saw on stage and in the screen caps, the second part is a render using 360 hardware to achieve the better looking image. As before I think Che doesn't think through what he post and inst aware of the language he is using to describe what he is putting out. Maybe he might want to run what he says by some of the designers before posting to avoid the photo-gate controversy that always occurs when we get new Forza pics.

 

[amar212]

"The next full Forza Motorsport experience, which utilizes some of the ideas presented in this demo, will ship in 2011."

http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/Future_of_Forza/

wtf??????

NextBox 2011 confirmed then

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Lol no. He is aware - that's his game.

Unfortunately most here have learned to see past his words.

We like forza and enjoy playing the games but goddamn...

 

[Cuban Legend]

:/ Is it really that hard to tell that the gallery shots mentioned are obvious bullshots when compared to what we saw LIVE onstage? No need for anyone to argue.

Why Turn 10 would not clarify obvious bullshots from direct-feed captures is beyond me, especially considering what transpired with Forza 3. Some of those gallery shots took so different from the onstage presentation I'd go as far as to say they were real life photographs made to look like the game.

This is coming from a guy who biked 5 miles @midnight through the bad part of town to pickup his LCE Forza 3 on launch night... so I'm not just some random hater.

 

[ResidentDante]

*edited for uselessness* Ahh fuck it. I don't have to justify myself to you skyfinch and I'm certainly not gonna do something just cause you say it.

Where have I seen you before? Ah yes, in the GT5 thread constantly. You came over here for a troll visit?

 

[TheOddOne]

People critizising while they have never played Forza 3. Youtube clips don't count.

 

[antiquegamer]

I have no idea what the heck you guys are arguing about.

Anyway, yeah the car showroom mode is nice but I was hoping more for Forza 3.5 this fall, with improved career mode, night racing (even if it's just few events), better on-line setup (go check out your former MS game studio partner gamer) and may be better photomode.

The kinect crap they are showing especially air steering wheel thing was beyond lame, keep those thing in Kart racing...

 

[saladine1]

We're demo'ing the game tonight behind closed doors.

Yup, those screenshots are real-time.

 

[phosphor112]

You know, you'd think honesty is in the best interest of a company, especially when more of the audience becomes more technically savvy, and they have been caught "lying" before.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Having watched the presentation again, there's a clear difference between the interactive part where you walk around the car and scripted sequences that zoom in on various car parts. Now, I could believe that technically they're both rendered in real-time, maybe - in fact, I think you can even notice slight tearing during the scripted sequences - but they're obviously done in different ways.

Even then, the ground textures on the screenshots exceed everything we've seen in the video. Might be due to GT's awful compression, however. We'll know when Turn 10 uploads their own video.

But Che, please double check that you're telling the truth this time around. Nobody wants to see that shit again, really.

 

[CaptainRizla]

Will not be falling for this shit again.

 

[TheOddOne]

Somebody tell me if this is the next Forza or just extension or DLC?

 

[saladine1]

IMO, as long as there is a more varied,focused form of motorsport, weather, night racing and Bathurst, then I couldn't care less if the graphics is as shown in those screens or not.
It seems to me that the current iteration was more about liveries,photos..etc rather than the racing itself along with all that's associated with it.

I need to 'feel' that i'm involved in the racing aspect of the game, something that Shift conveys excellently.
Sure, Kinetic and all associated 'casual' enhancements will bring in a wider audience and make you some money in the process but maybe it's time to start focusing more on the 'Motorsport' end as in your title and bring some innovation to the table while your at it...

 

[ResidentDante]

Somebody tell me if this is the next Forza or just extension or DLC?

My thoughts too, a bit confused here

 

[eso76]

We'll have an official video on Forzamotorsport.net soon.

And yeah, what you saw was running real-time. Screenshots came from the demo.

Sorry Chespace, we don't believe you anymore



that was mean, sorry

 

[Tiago Leite]

My thoughts too, a bit confused here

New game. (whether it's called FM4 / FM Kinect / FM Etc.. )

 

[saladine1]

It's been said this has nothing to do with FM3/DLC but is something to look forward to next year when FM4 comes along.

 

[phosphor112]

IMO, as long as there is a more varied,focused form of motorsport, weather, night racing and Bathurst, then I couldn't care less if the graphics is as shown in those screens or not.
It seems to me that the current iteration was more about liveries,photos..etc rather than the racing itself along with all that's associated with it.

I need to 'feel' that i'm involved in the racing aspect of the game, something that Shift conveys excellently.
Sure, Kinetic and all associated 'casual' enhancements will bring in a wider audience and make you some money in the process but maybe it's time to start focusing more on the 'Motorsport' end as in your title and bring some innovation to the table while your at it...

I think they should fix the wonky physics, the AWD bias, and broken online (broken because it's too easy to spin the hell out of others and not get penalized).

I don't want to see anymore 1970's Datsun 510's going 230mph. It's horrible, it really is.

 

[eso76]

can someone please clarify what was shown here though ?

i've seen some gameplay about overtaking cars which looked exactly like fm3, and a great car porn demo which looked fabulous, but only had one car onscreen (no trouble believing that was real time).

Gameplay section was some fm3 add on and the car porn was a sneak peak at fm4 (yeah right) or they were both from forza "4" (in which case i think we can expect the game to look like fm3)