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Forza Motorsport | Review Thread
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nikos
Member
I've got it feeling decent on a CSL DD. Still tweaking things but it feels better than I thought it would.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Vanilla game pass on retail release for this one, for me.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
When you put honest in the title of your video I am immediately skeptical of your honesty.
BusierDonkey
Member
This turned out exactly like I thought it would. Too few tracks, recycled car models, grindy and limiting single player and a game they’ll finish after launch. First FM I skipped at launch. I’ll check it out after a few months and see what’s been added.
supernova8
Banned
Ah ok, sorry I missed that bit.
supernova8
Banned
I keep seeing reviews that say it looks and sounds great but I've watched almost all of the video reviews (from outlets I've heard of) and I don't see/hear those great visuals/audio at all. Feel like I'm going insane or something. This is meant to be built from the ground up for Xbox Series and unchained from the shackles of last gen and yet it basicaaaaaally looks the same (or better/worse in some aspects) than Gran Turismo 7 - a cross-gen game.
Monad
Member
Although visually and the career mode have disappointed me a bit even on PC with a RTX 4090 (not to mention how limited some things are still), I've had a great time in the multiplayer in a similar way to iRacing (saving the distances), people seem to be taking it seriously and they make pretty clean and competitive races, which seems to have been Turn10's main focus.
Now, as is becoming normal, it feels like an unfinished product and I think it will get some pretty bad reviews, but the multiplayer definitely has a lot of potential and I can see myself putting a lot of hours into it.
Now, as is becoming normal, it feels like an unfinished product and I think it will get some pretty bad reviews, but the multiplayer definitely has a lot of potential and I can see myself putting a lot of hours into it.
Tried a few laps with the McLaren MP4/4 glad to see that open wheel cars are no longer unplayable like they were in FM7, still there’s it understeers a bit too much.
And the review are totally right, even with a simple g920, FF isn’t good at default.
Still liking what I see so far, it’s a good leap over FM7 in the basics.
And the review are totally right, even with a simple g920, FF isn’t good at default.
Still liking what I see so far, it’s a good leap over FM7 in the basics.
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jayj
Banned
I feel like the critics just say what they're expected to say.
El Pistolero
Banned
5? Not the way to go. Add whichever number that would get you to 90 something. We would not want you to be disappointed!
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supernova8
Banned
Kinda feels like the blanket 8/8.5 out of 10 reviews FIFA always used to get before around FIFA 20 when people stopped giving EA a pass and the franchise dipped under 8/10 territory for the first time in a while and hasn't recovered since. Even FC 24 is stuck at 76 on Metacritic right now.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
It makes sense to treat them as two different platforms because they just are. Xbox is a dedicated home gaming console, closed box, purpose-built for gaming with a fixed spec. PC is a platform that can be customized to play games, open box, open-platform with constantly evolving spec options.
If you can only get 30 FPS on the console option but 100+ frames on the PC option with the right hardware, and it's a game with a competitive element, common sense assumption is that the PC version will review better, as it should. But that experience isn't applicable to the console side.
HZD
Playstation Lifestyle 100/100
Dualshockers 100/100
Playstation Official Magazine Australia 100/100
Playstation Universe 95/100
Playsense 95/100
etc
So we're counting any website with 'Play' in its title as PlayStation-leaning or PlayStation-biased? Lol. Play's only one of the most used words on the planet. How many conversations are regular people using 'Xbox' without meaning the console itself?
Except it doesn't. Literally proved it comparing GOW:R critic reviews with Starfield's.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Only done a few races but the physics are way better than last gen. I love how hitting a wall actually grabs your car and spins you out instead of just bouncing off bumper car style.
Also looks and sounds gorgeous.
Also looks and sounds gorgeous.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Unfortunately, the writing has been on the wall for this one. This is the direction that benefits Microsoft the most, with their focus primarily on a subscription service that thrives on recurring revenue and people not canceling the sub.
Complete games on launch, without any "platform" type drip-feeding of content, goes directly against that concept.
Be ready for a TON more of it in the future.
DJ12
Member
I'd enjoy it while you can when the casuals get involved in 5 days it'll turn into the usual forza shit show online.
Monad
Member
I will try to armor myself in these 5 days by taking the safety rating to the highest level...
H From Steps
Member
gt7 focused more on car details, Motorsport focused more on environment.
look closely at both and you’ll see it
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I'm sorry, but getting the wheel support wrong is just downright bad form...wtf turn 10.
supernova8
Banned
I think with Forza if you tweaked the color settings on your tv/monitor it might look better. It just all looks a bit beige/yellow as if there's like a thin layer of sand on the "camera". Hard to put my finger on it. I suppose you could say on the flipside GT7 looks "too clean". Maybe we need a middle ground between the two.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
That's what I thought too, at first, but on closer inspection, it's not necessarily the case. Even the environment in Forza does not look that much better (or better at all).
Having said that, I have noticed inconsistencies in Forza. So there are a few types of trees that look much better than what's in GT 7. But then there are trees like in the following image that do not look better, or the sideways, or the weird looking crowd in Forza (which are all part of the environment).
Here is another example.Screenshot directly from this video. Same track; same position; same time of day.
Jorav
Member
Just played for a few hours. My impressions are
- an evolution, not revolution
- cars feel heavy compared to GT7, though I am playing with stock controller settings. Physics feel behind GT7.
- GT7 ahead on car models, FM still can’t figure out headlights and plastic trim. Wheels look horrendous in the upgrades menu.
- Career progression okay, I do enjoy the practice elements. Helps rank the car up.
-Drivartars are still dumb. Random braking, plough into you mid corner. Stick to you like glue and slow you down. Depending on your grid position and the AI behaviour in the first lap largely impacted my final position.
- Penalty system is hit and miss. Can cut a corner and overtake 4 cars without issue. Minor apex cut, and 1 sec penalty.
- Audio is fantastic, enjoying all the noises.
- Menu navigation is clunky at times. Want to simply restart a race? Need to confirm grid slot and fuel mix again. Just give me an option to restart the actual race.
-GT7 hud, telemetry and info during the race more useful. Wish I could change fuel ratios during racing instead of set fuel amount at the start of the race. This could be different in longer races.
- an evolution, not revolution
- cars feel heavy compared to GT7, though I am playing with stock controller settings. Physics feel behind GT7.
- GT7 ahead on car models, FM still can’t figure out headlights and plastic trim. Wheels look horrendous in the upgrades menu.
- Career progression okay, I do enjoy the practice elements. Helps rank the car up.
-Drivartars are still dumb. Random braking, plough into you mid corner. Stick to you like glue and slow you down. Depending on your grid position and the AI behaviour in the first lap largely impacted my final position.
- Penalty system is hit and miss. Can cut a corner and overtake 4 cars without issue. Minor apex cut, and 1 sec penalty.
- Audio is fantastic, enjoying all the noises.
- Menu navigation is clunky at times. Want to simply restart a race? Need to confirm grid slot and fuel mix again. Just give me an option to restart the actual race.
-GT7 hud, telemetry and info during the race more useful. Wish I could change fuel ratios during racing instead of set fuel amount at the start of the race. This could be different in longer races.
Negotiator101
Member
We know that capture footage for Forza is completely off, it's all washed out.That's what I thought too, at first, but on closer inspection, it's not necessarily the case. Even the environment in Forza does not look that much better (or better at all).
Having said that, I have noticed inconsistencies in Forza. So there are a few types of trees that look much better than what's in GT 7. But then there are trees like in the following image that do not look better, or the sideways, or the weird looking crowd in Forza (which are all part of the environment).
Here is another example.
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At this point it’s almost their trademark. I can’t even understand how a common Xbox wheel like the G920 feels so bad compared to stuff like even the F1 games.
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fuck your known issues.
this shit should be a crime at this point.
can’t imagine any other industry getting away with releasing this many unfinished products.
Senua
Member
Give them a break dude they only had 6 years to get it right!
H4ze
Banned
Jesus the bullshit some people write in here.. 85 seems so be a bad game now kk lol. Touch some grass guys.
"Sold my xbox cuz of Starfield muh" absolutely pathetic basement dweller crap.
Btt: looking forward to play it! I always enjoyed the FM games and I am sure I will have my fair share of fun with this one too.
"Sold my xbox cuz of Starfield muh" absolutely pathetic basement dweller crap.
Btt: looking forward to play it! I always enjoyed the FM games and I am sure I will have my fair share of fun with this one too.
kuncol02
Banned
Technically it's pre-release. Literally paid beta.
Nemesisuuu
Member
Game is good, but I understand the scores. Maybe they are genereous since it has some serious bugs.
Lukaku's First Touch
Member
Damn bro, you seem to take this shit personally. Touch some grass.Jesus the bullshit some people write in here.. 85 seems so be a bad game now kk lol. Touch some grass guys.
"Sold my xbox cuz of Starfield muh" absolutely pathetic basement dweller crap.
Btt: looking forward to play it! I always enjoyed the FM games and I am sure I will have my fair share of fun with this one too.
I'm interested in playing this, but I hate to have to unlock a bunch of shite to be competitive with other cars in online. Is that how the online here works? I prefer racing with everyone on the same level.
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zephiross
Member
Having watched several reviews, I think the biggest issues with the game's visuals are the really fucking bad shaders. thy are just not on par with today's standards and make everything looks plasticky. That and the overexposed image that kills contrast and any nuance in the lighting in the process. The "low-poly" models are also of great diservice to the game, many edges that are supposed to be rounded are simplifieds into sharp edges resulting in a lack of specular highlights. Reflections are also not smooth on seamingly curved surfaces because of the same issue.
The rainy footage with headlights turned on are also comically overdone. Car lights are wayyyyyy too bright compared to ambiant lighting, and the lack of self shadowing at night on cars is a big omition. I would trade them with the half baked ray-traced reflection in a heartbeat.
Overall I can't say this game looks good to me, I much prefere the presentation of GT7 (better dynamic range, models and shaders).
As for driving with a wheel, it seems on par with precedent forza games, which means dogshit...
The rainy footage with headlights turned on are also comically overdone. Car lights are wayyyyyy too bright compared to ambiant lighting, and the lack of self shadowing at night on cars is a big omition. I would trade them with the half baked ray-traced reflection in a heartbeat.
Overall I can't say this game looks good to me, I much prefere the presentation of GT7 (better dynamic range, models and shaders).
As for driving with a wheel, it seems on par with precedent forza games, which means dogshit...
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if they released a product like FM4, it’d be torn apart for having a multiplayer mode significantly behind the times.
“Nobody is allowed to like what I dislike”
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Played a few more races. I love the practice element. I wish the segment feature that times you on portions of the track were in the races and not just practice, really keeps you engaged.
Also enjoying the progression system. Really makes it seem more like a “caRPG”. I haven’t read a single review. For those that have, any general consensus on the progression?
Also enjoying the progression system. Really makes it seem more like a “caRPG”. I haven’t read a single review. For those that have, any general consensus on the progression?
GHG
Gold Member
Honestly it's just funny at this point.
And to top it all off they are all at it with this thing of charging the FOMO crowd extra to do the final beta test the week before the main release. It's got to the stage where they are telegraphing how they are going to fuck us as consumers but people are lapping it up and paying extra for the pleasure. Same shit has happened with Total War Pharaoh, I'm running out of things to say on this subject.
It's only getting worse.
"from the ground up"
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Elysium44
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Apparently Chris Esaki said the AI in the preview build was quote 'blind' - as you can see above, it literally is - it has no idea there is anything in front of it until it hits it by trial and error. And yet... the full versions of previous Forzas were like this and never fixed, and evidently so is the full version of FM 2023. What sort of developer would sit down and write AI that is not made aware of other cars in its vicinity? The CPU knows where everything is, in real time - but it never told the AI. If you wrote code like this at university you would fail your course.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Especially how long this game has been in development
what about graphics
don’t want to single them out, otherwise people get console warry and defensive. and honestly ms devs have the burden of day1 pc releases too
but take a look at the full list its crazy
it’s not like these bugs just came up and you started on fixes, you actively decided to release the game with them and charge for “early beta test access”
my favourite
Graphics - AMD machines running the PC builds will perform the entire shader precompiling step at every launch. Faster machines should be done in a minute or so, but older machines can take several minutes.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
I'm talking about single player campaign. Why are you changing subject? It's embarrassing how little content there is at launch. 5 tours with a couple of cups inside that will take 2 days to complete. Amazing. And their plan right now to add 1 cup (ONE!) a week.
lol
I'm fighting myself not to buy it. I'm so hungry for new Forza.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
Negotiator101
Member
What?Game is good, but I understand the scores. Maybe they are genereous since it has some serious bugs.
FlyyGOD
Member
That probably rewind .
Nemesisuuu
Member
Nope, after mandatory pit stop, some of the cars stayed ghosts on track, those 2 Corvettes are AI, one behind is me. I could go through them on track and they raced till the end joined like that.
Game has bugs, I didn't see it mentioned in reviews.
Game has bugs, I didn't see it mentioned in reviews.
Insane Metal
Member
Yup this in a nutshell. 6 years of development for this.
They got too worried about getting ray tracing in game (which doesn't even look remotely that good) and let the gameplay aspect slip through.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
This is what bugs me is this game has been baking for at least 6 years and this is what we get?
Maybe they needed another year or so but it just doesn't feel finished to me, not on the PC anyhow
Guess I expected too much because I really thought this would be a visual stunner on a beefy PC
Insane Metal
Member
Jesus Christ screw that progression system. That is absolutely ridiculous. Also what's up with the lifeless boring menus? I don't like GTs menus either but at least it feels alive.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Looks like they took the criticisms of Forza Horizon progression to heart but then went too far the other way.