Risk Breaker
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bj00rn_ said:
Yeah... looks kinda weird.
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Forza Motorsport 4 - The Floodgates Have Opened...
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Yeah... looks kinda weird.
brotkasten
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That's it guys. Forza 4 was cancelled, Microsoft just closed Turn 10. We still don't know why, but we'll tell you as soon as we know more.BADNED said:
brotkasten
Member
I've decided to fix my 360 again and it looks like I did a better job than last time. Played FM3 for 40 minutes without problems. Well, almost without problems. I stopped playing it, because I realized I'd ruin FM4 for me. I hate so many of the included tracks, like Maple Valley, Sebring, Motegi (I'm crazy, I know) and I know I'll see them in FM4 again. It's better to stop now, or I'll throw FM4 in the corner, because I've already played those tracks to death.
U n i o n 0015
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bj00rn_ said:
I dunno, but whoever the tree artist is...they earned their bonus. The trees look much improved on all tracks!
RukusProvider
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commedieu said:
I think Amar is happy to get rid of that title after getting lit up on GTplanet.
fu3lfr3nzy
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So are we gonna see this meltdown in GamesCom which is just a few days away or..?
brotkasten
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What happened there?RukusProvider said:
eso76
Member
fu3lfr3nzy said:
Fm.net forums admin said he wouldn't say a 'bombshell' but still something very cool.
Not a meltdown yet, unless badned is talking about forzacentral being down
My bet is still on the announcement of a demo being released shortly. IIRC Fm3 demo came out at least one month prior to release ?
And now, back to tech scrutinizing the available footage !
Random stuff:
Rewatching videos for the nth time i am 95% sure full lod model is used ingame for the player's car.
At least it is in car bowling; i just compared the Fieste Zetec in fm3 and insidesimracing video: the car and interiors you see in third person view in isr video are exactly the same as fm3 Fiesta pre-race, in those few frames before the model is swapped.
So full lod is probably used in all single player events (and replays).
As for 8 or 12 cars races, i am not sure, haven't seen enough to tell whether full lod is used ingame or even in replays-
One thing bothering me; environment mapping. Fm3 uses cube env mapping for your car, and a generic, static, environment map for cpu cars, which stays the same in every part of the track.
Obviously they couldn't have separate cube maps for every car, but most games just replicate the cube map for your car on the others, which is a decent compromise. Yes, if you happen to drive under a brigde you'll see the bridge reflecting on each car at the same time, regardless of where they are, but at least, cars near yours will not reflect a bright blue sky when you're inside a tunnel.
It appears fm4 is the same as fm3 as far as env mappiing goes, unfortunately.
Also, i just noticed i haven't seen backfire from exhausts anywhere except in the leaked trailer.
soundscream
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BADNED said:
BADNED said:
brotkasten
Member
I'm still laughing.
soundscream
Member
saladine1 said:
They cant break my spirit.
I find joy in all aspects of my day.
You cant hold me down.......
skyfinch
Member
eso76 said:
I'm too lazy to make a gif but at about 9:27 into this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fJGWZuUz1I
I have also seen it a few other times, just don't remember what E3 videos they were from.
soundscream
Member
LOL this guy is setting himself up for disappointment.
http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/4747886.aspx
http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/4747886.aspx
brotkasten
Member
Geez, why do you have to ruin the great mood like that?
soundscream
Member
I have no faith in the Turn10 marketing department.eso76 said:
Remember this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNmrtngonUU
What ever happened to Volume 2?
infinityBCRT
Member
lol, wtf? Is he trying to be Hollywood Hulk Hogan?soundscream said:
eso76
Member
soundscream said:
what about it ? high poly models used on track apart it looks pretty much like my fm3 ?
you could say their use of cuts and closeups of their high poly models in the middle of their trailers was deceiving, but the gameplay and replays bits were always true to what the game would look like.
-MikePriester-
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I love BADNED coming in here with the old hints etc.
The thing I don't like though is when my hype raises from such hints etc. At the moment, I'm setting my expectations very very low on anything Forza 4, especially anymore significant announcements on 'features'. My mind runs away with me thinking, weather, night time racing, loads more locations etc etc. But in reality, with all the features that have been revealed so far, I doubt there is anything else 'big' to annouce, that we don't already know about.
I'm in the same boat with Forza 3 at the moment. Not playing it because I don't want to wear out the tracks. I've never had that problem with a racing game before, probably because the last time I played one as much as F3 was GT3. Then again, I want to play and build up my garage and cash in readyness for whatever treats we get for what we have in F3.
With the *so far lack of information on many more locations, the one thing that I'm hoping for, but very doubful about, would be night time racing, or weather (conditions or not).
Anyways, back to lurking and refreshing every couple of hours.
The thing I don't like though is when my hype raises from such hints etc. At the moment, I'm setting my expectations very very low on anything Forza 4, especially anymore significant announcements on 'features'. My mind runs away with me thinking, weather, night time racing, loads more locations etc etc. But in reality, with all the features that have been revealed so far, I doubt there is anything else 'big' to annouce, that we don't already know about.
I'm in the same boat with Forza 3 at the moment. Not playing it because I don't want to wear out the tracks. I've never had that problem with a racing game before, probably because the last time I played one as much as F3 was GT3. Then again, I want to play and build up my garage and cash in readyness for whatever treats we get for what we have in F3.
With the *so far lack of information on many more locations, the one thing that I'm hoping for, but very doubful about, would be night time racing, or weather (conditions or not).
Anyways, back to lurking and refreshing every couple of hours.
Diablohead
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The closeups at 1:00 make me think how wasteful the high poly models are in F3, you can never ever really do that kind of camera panning unless viewing a car in the menus, which has stock angles repeated. Not even photo mode allows you to get that close like that unless you zoom.soundscream said:I have no faith in the Turn10 marketing department.
Remember this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNmrtngonUU
What ever happened to Volume 2?
I really hope F4 has those user made replay angles or exporting video angles instead of a few stock sweeps, I really want to make some cool videos.
eso76 said:
It's not an easy problem to solve. For example, when in cockpit view, it won't be generating the cubemap for your car's reflection.
Another alternative would be to have multiple static cubemaps generated for various points around the track - but even this has issues (requires sampling two cubes to blend between them, or popping ala HL2). Plus the obvious additional memory/streaming load .
As an aside; Flatout Ultimate Carnage actually did have a unique reflection on nearby cars (although they were updated slower). Technically that game was very impressive.
eso76
Member
lord pie said:
yes, i thought about that, but usign the same frame buffer grab on other cars should be fine too.
Yeah, you'd maybe see the car in front of you reflecting itself, but i don't think you'd really notice. I remember tons of cars reflecting themselves in True Crime, and not just that, they'd sometimes reflect the hud too
eso76 said:yes, i thought about that, but usign the same frame buffer grab on other cars should be fine too.
Yeah, you'd maybe see the car in front of you reflecting itself, but i don't think you'd really notice. I remember tons of cars reflecting themselves in True Crime, and not just that, they'd sometimes reflect the hud too
I wondered if you might suggest that. I didn't mention it because the reasons against doing something like it are a bit low level; Basically, if you are using a texture as large as the frame buffer as a reflection texture, and that texture doesn't have mipmaps (important!) then you can get severe texture cache thrashing issues.
Also, doing screen space reflections accurately is very complex (unless it is off a flat-ish plane near the camera - ooo, just like a bonnet
Unfortunately, the 360 has a small texture cache - so it's something that developers have to be very careful about.
Consider a car on screen that is around 50 pixels wide. It will be reflecting from the environment all around. So chances are, the reflection lookup will 'touch' all areas of the reflection texture in a somewhat random pattern.
Chances are, each pixel of that car will be reflecting to a different place in the reflection image, which likely won't be currently within the small cache (so it'll need to be read in from memory). Because the pixel will be read in as part of a larger block from the source image, it'll use a lot of bandwidth (and will evict some other part of the image from cache). The gist is; drawing that car may end up loading in the majority of that reflection texture multiple times - when the image is 4MB, this could easily annihilate performance.
You could generate mipmaps for the texture at runtime, but that'd be expensive (not just for GPU time, but also for memory)
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reflect the HUD?? ohh ffs!
Mipmaps,frame buffers,cube maps....I have no clue..
What's interesting about either weather or night racing, is that during the run up to FM3's release, there were all these threads popping up on the official forums which discussed the topic but nearly every time, the threads were closed. It was early on that we got some types of confirmation from Turn 10 (Che) that night and/or weather was not making it in for FM3. Even then, people still didn't believe Che/Turn 10 and kept on speculating.
Now, for FM4, these same type of threads don't get locked and there hasn't been any denial (or confirmation) about night and/or weather making it in..
Am I clutching at straws here?
What's interesting about either weather or night racing, is that during the run up to FM3's release, there were all these threads popping up on the official forums which discussed the topic but nearly every time, the threads were closed. It was early on that we got some types of confirmation from Turn 10 (Che) that night and/or weather was not making it in for FM3. Even then, people still didn't believe Che/Turn 10 and kept on speculating.
Now, for FM4, these same type of threads don't get locked and there hasn't been any denial (or confirmation) about night and/or weather making it in..
Am I clutching at straws here?