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FRINGE Season 3 |OT| Inexplicably renewed for a 4th season!
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PhoncipleBone
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Why are we spoiler tagging things from an episode that has already aired? It has shown on every coast, and the next season is months away. There are no spoilers left to conceal until stuff starts to leak about the next season.
Keyser Soze
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PSFan said:
We don't have to spoiler anything till info starts leaking out for Season 4
PSFan said:
Yeah, but they're written in weird strange language. Not to mention that those manuscripts influenced the First People books but there were still some "missing" manuscripts that Walter, Astrid, and Ella (henceforth, Wale) wouldn't have known about. Unless they found them in the 15 year time period. But then, WHO WROTE THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE?
My guess is on The Observers. Or the head Observer, Calender.
EDIT: Trying to do a writeup for last night's episode. I don't think I can. Ugh.
Spoilers from last night below, steer clear.
So here's my understanding of last night's episode, hopefully we're all on the same page.
In 2026, our world is ending due to Walter's cross-dimensional experiments. At some point FutureWalter has a revelation -- if he can merge the two worlds at a critical point in 2011, both can be saved.
Enter the machine. FutureWalter creates it, and uses a wormhole to send the parts to the Palaeozaic era for safe keeping. (How did FutureWalter bury the parts? I suppose they were found underground for the same reason dinosaur bones are.)
Next, FutureWalter needs a force to drive the two worlds to the machine.
Enter Peter.
He creates and plants the idea of Peter, a huge emotional pull, to all parties involved. Once Peter's function is fulfilled, his program ends.
Items to clear up next season:
+ Walter's sudden memory loss.
Was this really due to William Bell? FutureWalter may have lowered his past self's intelligence to prevent realizing Peter.
+ Do they even exist?
William Bell, Nina Sharp.
+ The importance of Olivia.
Is Olivia merely a vehicle for cortexiphan? The drug was essential for the machine to run, cortexiphan was equal to a cog within the machine. Thus, essentially, Olivia was a cog in the machine built to save the world.
+ Agent John Scott's death
FuWalter's motive: Remove John Scott from Olivia's heart, replace with Peter.
More thoughts:
+ Peter, Olivia, and cortexiphan sitting in a tree... :
How many times did Olivia rely on motivation from Peter in order for her abilities to kick in?
So here's my understanding of last night's episode, hopefully we're all on the same page.
In 2026, our world is ending due to Walter's cross-dimensional experiments. At some point FutureWalter has a revelation -- if he can merge the two worlds at a critical point in 2011, both can be saved.
Enter the machine. FutureWalter creates it, and uses a wormhole to send the parts to the Palaeozaic era for safe keeping. (How did FutureWalter bury the parts? I suppose they were found underground for the same reason dinosaur bones are.)
Next, FutureWalter needs a force to drive the two worlds to the machine.
Enter Peter.
He creates and plants the idea of Peter, a huge emotional pull, to all parties involved. Once Peter's function is fulfilled, his program ends.
Items to clear up next season:
+ Walter's sudden memory loss.
Was this really due to William Bell? FutureWalter may have lowered his past self's intelligence to prevent realizing Peter.
+ Do they even exist?
William Bell, Nina Sharp.
+ The importance of Olivia.
Is Olivia merely a vehicle for cortexiphan? The drug was essential for the machine to run, cortexiphan was equal to a cog within the machine. Thus, essentially, Olivia was a cog in the machine built to save the world.
+ Agent John Scott's death
FuWalter's motive: Remove John Scott from Olivia's heart, replace with Peter.
More thoughts:
+ Peter, Olivia, and cortexiphan sitting in a tree... :
How many times did Olivia rely on motivation from Peter in order for her abilities to kick in?
PhoncipleBone
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PSFan said:
General spoiler guidelines for any show on GAF are that they are safe after the original airing. With Fringe it is safe to talk without spoiler tags once it has aired on the East Coast. A show like Doctor Who, it is safe after the UK airing.
PhoncipleBone
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PSFan said:
That I think is going a tad too far, even for this show. But that is just me.
Big Papa Husker
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That has to be the image for the Season 4 OT.ivysaur12 said:10.
My favorite scene:
Love the blocking here, and how there's a clear lack of Over There Broyles.
PhoncipleBone
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Big Papa Husker said:
Gonna wait for official pics to come out from it. I am already planning how to tweak what I did for the OP this season to fit for season 4. A more thorough description of spoiler policy for sure.
But until a better title comes along, I am planning the title to be "Fringe Season 4 |OT|: WTF IS GOING ON HERE!?"
PhoncipleBone said:
Yeah, I like that one. Maybe "WTF IS GOING ON HERE and why aren't you watching?!"
I think I might bow out of TV show thread creations for next season. I'm currently 1 for 4 in getting them renewed (though I made The Cape one because I really just wanted to highlight the Summer Glau fail reel).
PhoncipleBone
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ivysaur12 said:
Fringe will probably be the only one I make next year. And Supernatural if no one else calls it. The Community thread is just a little too over the top for me to stay active in, and I abandoned Glee this year.
Fatalah said:
Nice post. This is what I was clumsily trying to grasp/question last night.
Sepinwall has posted a review. He also slammed it, with a mention of "what not to do" involving the very end. Seems the critics kind of hated it. I've always got the notion most critics dislike sci-fi, but I know Sepinwall is a genre fan. So his criticism holds a bit more weight for me.
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-a...the-day-we-died-back-and-forth-and-back-again
Fringe is always hit and miss with me. Every episode usually has some big problems, often involving Sprint products. So I guess my expectations are never high enough for any single episode to get truly disappointed.
ivysaur12 said:
Of course. I'm not throwing my remote at the TV or anything.
It's a trade-off I'm willing to make to keep the show on TV. But of course the concept of a trade-off is that you have to swallow some amount of shit to get what you want. I was just noting that the show always has issues, including but not limited to the product placement, and how that makes it impossible for me to ever really get upset when they make a mistake, as several of the professional reviewers seem to be.
lazybones18
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http://watching-tv.ew.com/2011/05/07/fringe-season-3-episode-22-review/
I was more interested in this though:
I will be watching that
I was more interested in this though:
I will be watching that
Well, it seems that the finale was divisive. Granted, I liked the episode and am a huge fan of the show, so I have bias. But here's at least a positive review from Ken Tucker. Not surprisingly, his thoughts mirrored mine. But maybe we're just fanboys!
Edit: beaten by 1 post!
Edit: beaten by 1 post!
squicken said:
That's fair. Personally, I think that Fringe needs to start making huge game-changers before the last five minutes of an episode. There's a reason the show usually loses viewers at the half hours: the cliff-hangers are never good enough because the show always holds its card close until the very end. Space it out more. It's an hour long endeavor.
EDIT: Also, half hour breakdown:
Flashpoint: 1.1/1.2
Friday Night Lights: 0.7/0.8
Smallville: 0.8/0.8
CSI:NY: 1.5/1.6
Fringe: 1.2/1.1
Supernatural: 0.9/0.99
Blue Bloods: 1.5/1.4
Ugh. I was hoping for 1.3/1.2
squicken said:
Thanks! I forgot to add one critical point -- the purpose of the machine.
The machine doesn't have the ability to repair dimensional tears. The machine's only capacity is to transport the alternate team to our dimension. Next season, we can look forward to watching the opposing characters craft a solution.
Fatalah said:
Wait, hold on. The machine was definitely tearing holes in our universe. At least, the other universe's machine was. And the machine was able to show Peter a glimpse of the future (remember, he mentions that he was from the past in the end of The Last Sam Weiss).
Then again, if Peter never existed, what's the point of sending him to the future? Or... ugh, hold on, I need to gather my thoughts about this.
.BoboBrazil
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I think next season will have the two Walter's working together to find Peter. Peter will probably end up flashing through time at different moments with the Walter's having to go through time to find him.
http://www.tvline.com/2011/05/fringe-season-3-finale-review-answers/
^Explanation somewhat by the producers
Also seems to imply that we might be going Back to the Future and getting some answers about stuff like Detroit.
^Explanation somewhat by the producers
Also seems to imply that we might be going Back to the Future and getting some answers about stuff like Detroit.
Escape Goat
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So satisfying seeing Olivia get done in. She'll be back but I have one episode where shes stone cold.
Escape Goat
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Jarmel said:
That was promising that Fox was asking questions. You'd think if they had written them off they'd be like "Whatever. Heres 500 bucks and a handycam. You have 12 episodes."
Eteric Rice
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I personally can't wait to see the two Astrids interact! I bet one will find the other impossible, or our Astrid will try to help the other with her dating life or something. XD
The girl that plays older Ella is cute, too.
The girl that plays older Ella is cute, too.
Teh Hamburglar said:
It's too early to make assumptions based on next season's ratings with what we have now, but Fox would be wise to cut to the order to 16 or 18 and air them all in order before Day Light Savings. Then move another one of their dying shows to Friday afterward.
The constant hiatuses and moving of days and time slot absolutely killed any chance Fringe had of staying consistent in the ratings. It seems to have leveled off at "just good enough", but it angers me how FOX has mismanaged a show they apparently believe in because they gave it another season despite the numbers saying it should've been canned. Hopefully for season 4 they can stay consistent. Fewer hiatuses, better advertised. Let people become comfortable with 9:00 on Friday's being "Fringe time". It's a cool enough show that it should be generating better viewership, I just think the network has pretty badly mismanaged it.
Keyser Soze
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According to that interview, Brad Dourif was just aboard for one episode :/
Maybe a younger actor will may Moreau in the present timeline?
Maybe a younger actor will may Moreau in the present timeline?
Haha, I figured it was a given.Napoleonthechimp said:
It was short, but here's what I found interesting. Some might consider them spoilers.Jarmel said:
Basically, the Peter never existing thing won't just rework their memories, it's going to be something more and the consequences will be very far-reaching. Awesome.
Glad that Ella has the potential to return, but sad that this is all we'll get of Moreau :/
Glad that Ella has the potential to return, but sad that this is all we'll get of Moreau :/
Same, but I'm sure this is nowhere close to the last of them. In fact, this seemed like the event that would really push this plot to the front.ivysaur12 said:
Ugh. Audiences suck.mm04 said:
Yeah, the Ellis Island placement is sweet.leroy hacker said:
As for time travel, I like seeing the loop that way. For now, the machine arrives because it was sent back and it's sent back because it arrived. Walter will work around that problem or make it happen in season 4, I'm thinking.
I bet that would make the kid from Inner Child January. Hope he comes back.mm04 said:
I'd prefer it. This show would be so tight and godly if it was just 18 episodes.ivysaur12 said:
CCF23 said:
I agree with this for the most part. What's weird is that they have such great online promos and teasers and most of them never see the light of day on TV. You either have to go to FOX.com or Youtube, where the hardcore are more likely to visit and most of us hardcore, are not Nielsen families.
I'm not even saying the show should be pulling insane numbers, either, but I feel like it could easily be doing better than the 1.2's it has been pulling in in the latter half of this season. I understand that for the full 23 ep season it's going to be unavoidable, but they took 3 hiatuses in the final 14 episodes of the season. That's ridiculous in terms of wanting to develop any kind of consistent return viewership. Just as someone might've been getting into the show by watching 3 or 4 episodes in a row, they'd tune in on the next Friday at 9 and see a re run and then there would be 2 or 3 weeks with no new episode and the spark of interest would be gone. Or even for a casual viewer that has been following the show, to have it constantly taken away, put back, taken away, put back. It takes effort to actually find out when there's going to be a new episode. I'm sure at a certain point people just get tired of it and a show they'd otherwise probably watch gets left for something that's on every week.
If the show had been handled better I don't doubt they could be pulling in cosnsitent 1.7's or 1.8's which in their timeslot would likely be good enough to warrant consideration for a season 5.
If the show had been handled better I don't doubt they could be pulling in cosnsitent 1.7's or 1.8's which in their timeslot would likely be good enough to warrant consideration for a season 5.
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