shadowsdarknes
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That's a good point.
I didn't even consider the truck stops and jobs associated with that.
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Fully Autonomous (Level 4) Vehicles on Roads 2020, say multiple industry reps
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That's a good point.
I didn't even consider the truck stops and jobs associated with that.
Sectorseven
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I think the truck industry in particular will have a slower transition than we think. Shipping companies are still going to want a human inside the vehicle to guard shipments, for example. However, this likely requires less skill and could lead to weaker bargaining power by the unions.
Third Strike
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So, here's a thinker:
How will autonomous cars deal with fast food drive throughs?
How will autonomous cars deal with fast food drive throughs?
Order and pay for it 2 minutes before pulling up to the window.
Goodbye talking to annoyed teenagers!
I think a lot of industries will mutate when self driving cars hit their apex. I don't think it would even happen this way, but try picturing an inversion of services here - imagine a fleet of McDonalds vehicles that can make foodstuff inside of themselves automatically, are electrically powered and you could order like you can an uber. There are actually a lot of popular food-delivery apps that have sprung up in the last year in my city, and more and more frequently people get food delivered or they'll at least order before going to pick it up.
As technology continues to progress over the next 10 years in a plethora of different fields, it will combine with advances in self driving vehicles to reshape many industries, and create entirely new ones.
Doug Heffernan
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Do people not enjoy driving anymore?
Perhaps your driving the wrong vehicle...
Perhaps your driving the wrong vehicle...
You'll order via app and it will be ready when you get to the window and your credit card charged for the meal.
get rid of the people and replace it with a automated fast food dispenser that inserts into the car.
Soapbox Killer
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Good for some, not so much for me. Plus I don't want some retrofitted autodrive attached to my classic 1989 Pontiac Sunbird. (I know, I just like driving)
~ Zyzomys ~
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This cannot come fast enough! Family trips eight or ten hours away will be so much easier now. Work all day. Eat dinner and load van with family and luggage. Put the seats back and fall asleep. Wake up at destination in morning. Fuck the airlines and their tiny seats with no legroom, extra charges for everything.
It's hard to enjoy driving too much when it feels like everyone else on the road is trying to kill you.
If we want to reduce car usage and issues with car dependency then land use policies need to change along with this technology. I think having an automobile dominated transportation system and our land use policies is already disadvantageous for the poor. Will be interested to see how this will cater to everybody rather than those that can just afford it.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
ever heard of a lease?
also, the story can easily change to "we dont buy cars anymore because we subscribe to a service that allows us to use one when we want to"
who owns any mass transit vehicle now? have you heard of services where you can rent a bike for an afternoon and put it back?
there are private and public options for mass transit.
the average user doesn't "pay for the roads" anymore than they would otherwise. most infrastructure comes from gas tax and other highway trust funds funded through other means regardless of whether or not you use the road
It's going to be downgraded to a student job.
We have both Bike and Car options in Montreal at present.
Bixi Montreal
Car2go
So they do exist and should be expanded if economically viable.
Sectorseven
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I don't know if anyone has actually crunched the numbers yet, but the prevailing theory is revenue from tickets will be made up by not having to spend as much on enforcement and accident clean up.
AtomicShroom
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Not to mention police departments losing all their revenue from traffic violations, speeding, etc. All the automated photo radars will become useless. This is going to reshape society on such a large level.
Let's name all the people that will go out of a job once this happens:
- Professional drivers of all kinds (cabs, bus, trucks, etc.)
- Traffic officers.
- Parking officers.
- Car insurance companies. (They will have to severely downsize. They'll only have to cover theft, vandalism, etc.)
- Valets
- ...
Tons of that money just goes into the general public coffer. City budgets would feel that loss.
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Not in Philadelphia. Those bastards will find a way
"Your cars static IP address not registered with city. FINE $75"
mail man vans
school buses
ambulances
ice cream trucks
milk man trucks
garbage trucks
Nascar
its going to be the next big change in our society.
Those are my thoughts. I don't see it happening by 2020 like everybody thinks it will. It needs to be perfect.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
i think you still need someone to deliver the mail.
but NASCAR would be funny. watching drones race.
Not NASCAR but Formula E got your back (in 2016):
http://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2015/november/formula-e-kinetik-announce-roborace-a-global-driverless-championship.aspx
and since there are no humans driving we could reach speeds too dangerous for humans.
I like where this is going.
I guess the parking space thing isn't too much of a reach given that self driving cars are capable of detecting lanes.
But I still stand by my "how the hell do these things recognize what is a suitable entrance into a parking lot/garage is" question.
They generally make 3 dimensional maps of their environments, and can differentiate between buildings, ground, signs, people, different vehicle types - etc.
Here's a video from nvidia on how they did it with their machines/sensors (check out the accuracy of the sensors by the construction of a 3d dot matrix that represents the foliage of trees)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2rq_8yV0p8
This is actually amusing to think about. I bet overnight driving skyrockets. It will be the best time to travel for long trips across the country. It's when I'd travel.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Pagusas
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That will depend on it being legal to sleep while behind the wheel of a self driving car. Didn't California just pass a law saying all self driving car drivers must keep their hands on the wheel and take full responsibility for any crashes?
Not exactly - California proposed some measures for their commercial legalization of self driving cars initiative - and it included that clause. However, they also basically said "this isn't a law or anything yet, we're want to discuss it with technical experts first".
The Obama administration is also in the process of creating a federal system, which would probably supercede any state law to this effect, as it seems to be gunning to federally legalize unmanned autonomous transport.
Falcs
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It's too bad where I live (Australia) we'll probably be 7 years behind the rest of the world, and I highly doubt this will actually be the norm by 2020.
I would LOVE to be wrong. I cannot wait to have autonomous cars. But sadly, I've accepted that I'll have to put up with shit drivers my whole life.
I would LOVE to be wrong. I cannot wait to have autonomous cars. But sadly, I've accepted that I'll have to put up with shit drivers my whole life.
TheLostBigBoss
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thats not really a major issues for something like this.
Bit of a bump:
http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/19/gm-buys-sidecar/
Basically, it looks like car companies are seeing the writing on the wall - that self driving cars + uber might eventually mean fewer car sales, as subscription vehicle models make more and more sense. That's why they're basically buying up all non-uber car subscription models.
http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/19/gm-buys-sidecar/
Basically, it looks like car companies are seeing the writing on the wall - that self driving cars + uber might eventually mean fewer car sales, as subscription vehicle models make more and more sense. That's why they're basically buying up all non-uber car subscription models.
Ether_Snake
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Established car markers will try to stop this, it would massively reduce the number of vehicles produced by at least 90%, probably even more.
We're talking about a future where car ownership pretty much no longer exists, where cars are almost always serving clients 24/7 rather than idling 23h a day if not more and wasting valuable city space.
Thankfully there's no stop to this process, can't stop progress in a connected world.
We're talking about a future where car ownership pretty much no longer exists, where cars are almost always serving clients 24/7 rather than idling 23h a day if not more and wasting valuable city space.
Thankfully there's no stop to this process, can't stop progress in a connected world.
brochiller
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I'm not getting a new car until I can get one that drives itself.
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Yeah closed-circuit race tracks will be real popular. New hobby.
Gold Coins for Cats
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I must be a dinosaur, I enjoy driving, even while in a Ford Transit. I may have to out my OTR aspirations on hold though.
I just have so very many questions about this. There are too many variables. Will I be stopped 10 feet from my house because of a wayward pigeon in the road? How will this technology handle part degradation and maintenance, and failing sensors? What politicians in California are going to support this when they more fixated on mass transit?
I just have so very many questions about this. There are too many variables. Will I be stopped 10 feet from my house because of a wayward pigeon in the road? How will this technology handle part degradation and maintenance, and failing sensors? What politicians in California are going to support this when they more fixated on mass transit?
The Oculus VR thread was quite interesting with the flood of peoples myopic views about the technology.
Veritigo_X
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Crazy how resistant some people are to a change that will literally save thousands of lives a year. The "but driving is fun!" excuse is the worst.
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