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[RPGCrazied]

Trump and Putin greet each other during a gathering of leaders ahead of the official start to the G20 summit http://cnn.it/2tZ5baM

— CNN‏ (@CNN) July 7, 2017​

You can tell he just loves the guy. No arm pulling, patting his arm, then patting him on the back and smiling like an idiot.

Putin's puppet alright.

 

[Condom]

Our representatives are going to protest there? What for?

Same reason others will protest G20. Management of capital, environmental issues and the most important thing to me is showing the power of working people, that we're there while they hold their little conference. It's more pressure than if all is quiet because then nobody is going to think about you at all.

All global issues and international struggles.

 

[DieNgamers]

Pro communism protests were forbidden in eastern Germany?

Those were called parades.

 

[Xando]

The tanks are by the police. Hamburg was first in Germany to buy one.



Yes, the media always focusses on the violence. Trust me I know, I was recently on a panel of iraqi womrn, who will never get any airtime, while the most recent attack in Baghdad will atleast get a mention in the mixed section before sports and weather.

Those are Bundeswehr APCs. I know because i drove in them during my time in the army.
Police has similar tanks but these are definitely Bundeswehr.

 

[Gutek]

Germany doing America's job.

 

[paperboywriter]

Pro communism protests were forbidden in eastern Germany?

^^

I don't think the picture is real, but in case they are... These tanks are not from the police. Anything that is from the German Polizei, has a very strict color scheme and the words "POLIZEI" or "BUNDESPOLIZEI" have to be clearly visible. The police is not allowed to even operate an army tank, let alone rocking the army tint.

I think the Bundeswehr is allowed to help during natural disasters. If i remember correctly they have been summoned to support the police before, but that requires a certain protocol.

It really is long ago. No reason to drag down Germany as a whole just because Eastern Germany was trash until the 90s

didnt mean to trash germany.

 

[mnz]

Those are Bundeswehr APCs. I know because i drove in them during my time in the army.
Police has similar tanks but these are definitely Bundeswehr.

They also have Bundeswehr insignia, police would have removed that. That picture is probably old?!

during Hitler and the eastern German government. It feels like its long ago, but it really isnt.

Oh man...

 

[ClosingADoor]

Same reason others will protest G20. Management of capital, environmental issues and the most important thing to me is showing the power of working people, that we're there while they hold their little conference. It's more pressure than if all is quiet because then nobody is going to think about you at all.

All global issues and international struggles.

They are aware that we are sitting at the table there right to talk directly with the G20 this year? Bit strange to have our elected officials protesting outside, while our government is invited at the same time. I rather they just do their jobs at home.

 

[jelly]

You can tell he just loves the guy. No arm pulling, patting his arm, then patting him on the back and smiling like an idiot.

Putin's puppet alright.

Thanks for hookers, great night.

 

[Anarion07]

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/883278413422886912

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155486011436665&id=830026664

A video of the minutes before and after the poor woman was attacked with pepper spray for no reason /s.

German alert. The police keeps telling everyone to clear the streets, and the main protestors are half the street away. she keeps standing on that tank.

 

[paperboywriter]

They also have Bundeswehr insignia, police would have removed that. That picture is probably old?!


Oh man...

it most likely isnt real

 

[Xando]

They also have Bundeswehr insignia, police would have removed that. That picture is probably old?!


Oh man...

If you believe the SPIEGEL they’re apparently moving equipment into the city for the police.
Weird to use tanks for it though

 

[Condom]

They are aware that we are sitting at the table there right to talk directly with the G20 this year? Bit strange to have our elected officials protesting outside, while our government is invited at the same time. I rather they just do their jobs at home.

Rutte doesn't represent me at the meeting, he represents Dutch capital and at most also his voter base. It's very much clear not only from who he is but also what he says he's going to do at G20.

Will he be talking about the global housing issues? Worker protection in the 21st century? The ever growing power of multinationals? Criticizing trump on retreating from Paris? No.

I mean I get your stance but that is the stance of someone whose to go guy is in power, it's different for me because Rutte doesn't care about the issues I care about.

 

[MisterFalcon]

If you believe the SPIEGEL they're apparently moving equipment into the city for the police.
Weird to use tanks for it though

I'd feel a lot safer in an armored car (which that is, not a tank) then a car when driving though this apocalyptic scene: https://twitter.com/stefanskibbe/status/883227873179566080

 

[alt27]

EU warning about trade wars from trump

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/07/eu-battle-mood-us-protectionist-steel

 

[paperboywriter]

EU warning about trade wars from trump

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/07/eu-battle-mood-us-protectionist-steel

I am telling you this in the hope that all of this won’t be necessary. But we are in an elevated battle mood.

Oh man, not pretty.

 

[Nazgul_Hunter]

Trump and Putin greet each other during a gathering of leaders ahead of the official start to the G20 summit http://cnn.it/2tZ5baM

— CNN‏ (@CNN) July 7, 2017​

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a two handed shake like that where the person puts the second hand *under* the arm. It almost looks intimate.

 

[mnz]

EU warning about trade wars from trump

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/07/eu-battle-mood-us-protectionist-steel

One of the biggest advantages of being in the EU. Smaller countries would have no leverage.

 

[RPGCrazied]

EU warning about trade wars from trump

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/07/eu-battle-mood-us-protectionist-steel

We are going to be in several wars in due time with Trump running things.

 

[Oersted]

Those are Bundeswehr APCs. I know because i drove in them during my time in the army.
Police has similar tanks but these are definitely Bundeswehr.

Than they got both I guess

 

[gutter_trash]

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/883278413422886912

I don't understand their point, are they anti-globalists? are they isolationists? what are their grievances?

 

[ClosingADoor]

Rutte doesn't represent me at the meeting, he represents Dutch capital and at most also his voter base. It's very much clear not only from who he is but also what he says he's going to do at G20.

Will he be talking about the global housing issues? Worker protection in the 21st century? The ever growing power of multinationals? Criticizing trump on retreating from Paris? No.

I mean I get your stance but that is the stance of someone whose to go guy is in power, it's different for me because Rutte doesn't care about the issues I care about.

Considering no one on the left is stepping up to form a government, I can't really take those parties serious recently if their efforts are aimed at fixing the issues you talk about. I don't mind people protesting, but when in politics they are happy to sit at the sideline, it doesn't seem they really care that much.

I don't understand their point, are they anti-globalists? are they isolationists? what are their grievances?

Nobody knows. That is always the issue with protests like this. "We want change!" "What change?" "We don't know!" It all serves little purpose outside of a ton of costs for fixing the city afterwards. Pick a specific issue at least to protest about, so people know what you want.

 

[Shiggy]

The Greens are already blaming the police force for the escalation. So predictable.

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutsch...-fuer-erste-Eskalation-mitverantwortlich.html

 

[CampbellzSoup]

Trumpy with Macron :

Like a kid trying to get dads attention what is he doing...??

 

[Oersted]

Considering no one on the left is stepping up to form a government, I can't really take those parties serious recently if their efforts are aimed at fixing the issues you talk about. I don't mind people protesting, but when in politics they are happy to sit at the sideline, it doesn't seem they really care that much.


Nobody knows. That is always the issue with protests like this. "We want change!" "What change?" "We don't know!" It all serves little purpose outside of a ton of costs for fixing the city afterwards. Pick a specific issue at least to protest about, so people know what you want.

The Greens are already blaming the police force for the escalation. So predictable.

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutsch...-fuer-erste-Eskalation-mitverantwortlich.html

So did NDR, Bild, Spiegel and Deutschlandfunk.

I don't understand their point, are they anti-globalists? are they isolationists? what are their grievances?

Nobody knows. That is always the issue with protests like this. "We want change!" "What change?" "We don't know!" It all serves little purpose outside of a ton of costs for fixing the city afterwards. Pick a specific issue at least to protest about, so people know what you want.

Do you guys really wanna die on that hill? Not being able to tell based on stills what one protestors protests about?

 

[ClosingADoor]

http://image.stern.de/6745578/16x9-800-450/71fbf4b5c29c299d299bf3fcb99e6bdc/Uo/winfried-kretschmann.jpg

Doesn't look like a Dutch politician. I was talking about them traveling to Germany to protest.

 

[paperboywriter]

The Greens are already blaming the police force for the escalation. So predictable.

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutsch...-fuer-erste-Eskalation-mitverantwortlich.html

I really wonder if this actually plays well with there electorate. Things like that make me actively opposed to ever voting for them even though the environment is very important to me too.
what a bunch of idiots.

 

[mnz]

I don't understand their point, are they anti-globalists? are they isolationists? what are their grievances?

Here's what the organizers of yesterday's protest said about their demonstration: https://g20tohell.blackblogs.org/international-anticapitalist-demonstration/

Don't expect to get enlightened.

 

[waveuponwave]

I don't understand their point, are they anti-globalists? are they isolationists? what are their grievances?

This really isn't about globalization vs isolationism

I think every person out there protesting would give you a different reason why they are there... but mostly I'd say they are anti-capitalists, against globalization in its current form (as in dominated by international corporations), against militarization, Western imperialism... and some anarchists, communists, whatever you like

For the violent ones it's not about particular grievances, it's about opposing the system (whatever that is)

 

[Condom]

Considering no one on the left is stepping up to form a government, I can't really take those parties serious recently if their efforts are aimed at fixing the issues you talk about. I don't mind people protesting, but when in politics they are happy to sit at the sideline, it doesn't seem they really care that much.

Again that is from the position of someone who has more power. I would say the same if it was the left seeking a Token party to continue my own policies.

'Oh why you don't join us, this is even worse for big companies if you refuse to join our mainly leftist coalition'

Again I get your position but I hope you understand that there is a point where you have to build a real alternative and not just be a complementary act to the show of the others. You can't be VVD enablers and grow in votes.

Besides we do enough outside of parliament, the average VVD politician has never participated in activism ever in his/her live.

 

[dorn.]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a two handed shake like that where the person puts the second hand *under* the arm. It almost looks intimate.

Was probably told to fondle the balls last time and now he's confused.

EU warning about trade wars from trump

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/07/eu-battle-mood-us-protectionist-steel

Time to hamster some bourbon, I guess.

 

[Muffin1611]

The Greens are already blaming the police force for the escalation. So predictable.

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutsch...-fuer-erste-Eskalation-mitverantwortlich.html

They're not. They say police is also partly responsible for escalation, because of things like throwing irritant gases aimless into a group of protestors only "targeting" a small part of that group.

The second paragraph is them saying that violence shouldn't be part of the protests and that it's right to suppress attacks and riots well-directed and deescalate the situation.

This usual out of context bashing of the Greens becomes very predictable at some point.

Edit: The person interviewed is also a former police officer, just to add a bit more context. Funny that.

 

[Theonik]

Time to hamster some bourbon, I guess.

Or you could convert to good whiskey.

 

[kruis]

https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/883245987250278401

This made my blood boil. Fuck these "protesters".

 

[chadskin]

Heard on German TV Trump reportedly railed against North Korea during the first panel.

The panel was about trade.

 

[Cabbagehead]

https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/883245987250278401

This made my blood boil. Fuck these "protesters".

Yeah those are not protesters.

 

[patapuf]

https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/883245987250278401

This made my blood boil. Fuck these "protesters".

Clearly deeskalation wasn´t good enough here. They were under a lot of pressure and lashed out. /s


I understand being critical of police violence and having an eye on it but i´m really baffled that so many give the black block the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Nivash]

Here's what the organizers of yesterday's protest said about their demonstration: https://g20tohell.blackblogs.org/international-anticapitalist-demonstration/

Don't expect to get enlightened.

Reading that, it's funny how they outright mention that they have no intention of proposing any alternatives to the current world order. They're pretty open about just being disruptive and destructive in general as a kind of "fuck you" to the very concept of G20 meetings to prevent them from being smooth affairs.

So yup, wrecking shit is literally the purpose for them.

 

[alt27]

Heard on German TV Trump reportedly railed against North Korea during the first panel.

The panel was about trade.

LOL. Trump is a fucking nightmare

 

[Lonely1]

Heard on German TV Trump reportedly railed against North Korea during the first panel.

The panel was about trade.

So, no more trade with NK? Gotcha.

 

[kruis]

Yeah those are not protesters.

But normal protesters who aren't there to vandalize the city and fight the police still tolerate these antifas/anarchists.

 

[paperboywriter]

But normal protesters who aren't there to vandalize the city and fight the police still tolerate these antifas/anarchists.

what are they supposed to do though?

 

[Muffin1611]

But normal protesters who aren't there to vandalize the city and fight the police still tolerate these antifas/anarchists.

Are they supposed to arrest them themselves?

 

[Shiggy]

So did NDR, Bild, Spiegel and Deutschlandfunk.

Not sure which articles you get displayed on those outlets, but I haven't seen SPON/Spiegel, Bild or NDR blaming the police for what is happening in Hamburg right now. I also cannot find those articles via Google.

I really wonder if this actually plays well with there electorate. Things like that make me actively opposed to ever voting for them even though the environment is very important to me too.
what a bunch of idiots.

It's not all of them, see Kretschmann. But the left wing of the party is completely delusional on so many frontiers. And with the left wing so vocal, their recent polls aren't very surprising.

They're not. They say police is also partly responsible for escalation, because of things like throwing irritant gases aimless into a group of protestors only "targeting" a small part of that group.

They are:
"Leider hat das Vorgehen der Einsatzleitung der Hamburger Polizei zur Eskalation der ohnehin angespannten Lage erheblich beigetragen”

Instead of blaming the protesters for the escalation, they put major blame on the police force.

 

[guggnichso]

It still boggles my mind how someone could think it would be a good idea to plant the fucking g20 summit directly in the backyard of Germany’s (and to a degree Europe’s) last bastion of the organized „Autonomen“ (don‘t know how to call the in english, basically the far left black bloc guys). There was no way in hell for this to not happen or stay peaceful.

 

[Muffin1611]

They are:
"Leider hat das Vorgehen der Einsatzleitung der Hamburger Polizei zur Eskalation der ohnehin angespannten Lage erheblich beigetragen”

Instead of blaming the protesters for the escalation, they put major blame on the police force.

This isn't a "instead of" situation. Police is partially responsible. The word "erheblich" may be a bit off the mark, but then again I'm surely not aware of every mistake/questionable choice the police made till now.

You're trying really hard now to find outrage where there isn't any.

Gewalt sei „kein legitimes Mittel um Protest auszudrücken”, sagte Mihalic weiter. Daher sei es „richtig, Ausschreitungen und Angriffe gezielt zu unterbinden und mit einer deeskalierenden Gesamtstrategie darauf zu reagieren”.

She's clearly also blaming the Black Bloc "protestors".

Hell, the headline itself says "mitverantwortlich".

 

[Funky Papa]

Or you could convert to good whiskey.

Good thing Ireland is still in the EU, I guess.

 

[patapuf]

This isn't a "instead of" situation. Police is partially responsible. The word "erheblich" may be a bit off the mark, but then again I'm surely not aware of every mistake/questionable choice the police made till now.

You're trying really hard now to find outrage where there isn't any.



She's clearly also blaming the Black Bloc "protestors".

I´m in no position to discuss how apropriate the police tactis are.

But is there really any scenario where the black block doesn´t cause huge amount of property damage? I always wonder what the expectation of the people demanding better is. How do you "deescalate" a group of people whose explicit goal (as per their website) is to disrupt. It´s not like the policemen like getting molotv coctails thrown on them. And it´s not like all the pyro´s materialize out of thin air. That shit is planned.

 

[Muffin1611]

I´m in no position to discuss who apropriate police tactis are.

But is there really any scenario where the black block doesn´t cause huge amount of property damage? I always wonder what the expectation of the people demanding better is. How do you "deescalate" a group of people whose explicit goal (as per their website) is to disrupt.

If black bloc protestors hide between peaceful protestors, you don't throw tear gas into there for one. Which is mentioned in the article.

I have nothing against police moving in against these groups of people destroying stuff in the vidoes on this page. It's not like there seem to be innocent people around in those which the police could accidentally hit.

 

[Kthulhu]

Reading that, it's funny how they outright mention that they have no intention of proposing any alternatives to the current world order. They're pretty open about just being disruptive and destructive in general as a kind of "fuck you" to the very concept of G20 meetings to prevent them from being smooth affairs.

So yup, wrecking shit is literally the purpose for them.

That's anarchists for you.