Superman (2025) | Review Thread

This popped up on the one of the sites I use for TV so I gave it a watch. The trailer made it look incredibly overstuffed and while that very much played out (the Justice Gang did approximately nothing of value, with the main contributor being Mr Terrific opening a portal and providing Lois with a ship), the core characters and 'story', as far as there was one, were somehow far, far worse.

To begin with, there's no first act at all: if the film doesn't want to do the full origin story, that's fine, but we still need to get to know this version of Superman, what he's like and establishing what he's capable of at his best to contextualise his struggles once the story properly begins. Instead, a few expository paragraphs are written on-screen (with an odd and meaningless repetition of the number '3') where we're told he's just lost his first fight and we see him crash to Earth bloodied and bruised, followed by a comedy bit with a CGI dog, before he flies away and gets beaten up again. That's this Superman's introduction: being bad at what we're supposed to admire him for, interjected with some schtick with a dog and some robots.

Unfortunately, that's a pretty accurate representation of who this Superman is, as he's repeatedly shown to make bad decisions, able to lose all public support in a second, be self-doubting for no reason (he tosses out the "I'm not who I thought I was" line at one point, de facto replaying the conclusion of the Timeless Child arc from Doctor Who's lowest point where the hero's lesson is that the source of all the agonising self-evidently doesn't matter in the slightest) and generally bad at what he does. The most egregious point is when he ignores a monster attacking the city because he's having a conversation with Lois (he handwaves away that the Justice Gang can handle it), which seems to me the antithesis of who Superman is (always wanting to save people and do good) both in this film and in general. He's willing to get involved in a foreign war because he doesn't want to people to die, but is happy to let an alien creature repeatedly fire lasers into his city because he doesn't want to break up a chat with his girlfriend?

Lois herself gets one good scene, when she interviews Superman and holds him to proper journalistic scrutiny: at that point in the film, Clark reacting petulantly to being pushed back on makes sense as someone who hasn't been a public superhero for long, and might have been an angle to explore had he not already been shown to be useless in general. Again, had he been given a proper introduction where we seem him being effective at his heroic purpose, it would at least have established someone who usually does a lot of good but whose positive intentions led him into a moral blindspot, not someone for whom this was just the latest in a succession of failures and terrible decisions.

Unfortunately, outside that scene, Lois goes downhill as well: later, when she should be focused on a rescue mission, she starts blabbing about her relationship problems, and then for some reason doesn't know the difference between a circle and a sphere. Small things perhaps, but it's her character being diminished for the sake of jokes, an ongoing issue with the film undermining itself repeatedly to shoehorn in laborious, unfunny gags (see also: everything with Krypto, including a less funny, less coherent rehash of a beloved moment from the first Avengers film). Even the bulk of the journalistic work is done by Jimmy, weirdly characterised as being irresistible to women, yet even his profession integrity gets undermined when a female source offers him everything he needs on the condition he spend the weekend with her: rather than say whatever she wants to hear just to get her evidence, he starts hesitating and moaning because he finds her annoying (she sends everything anyway, mid-kidnap, because it would be awfully inconvenient if she hadn't).

Nicolas Hoult as Lex doesn't work either: apart from the fact he spends virtually the entire film in the same control room at LuthorCorp tower, he's an unthreatening whiner whose scheme/the plot of the film is so badly told as to be relayed to the audience in its entirety in a single monologue towards the end. I'm a lifelong Bond fan so have no issues with a hammy villain speech, but in Bond films, you typically have a rough idea of what is going on and what Bond's mission is by that point, even if we need the villain to tie up the loose ends with an explanation at the beginning of the third act so we can see how Bond foils it all. This, however, is not only flat exposition by a one-note villain, but has to tell you literally the entire plot right at the end of the film, when everything has effectively already been resolved. The whole film is a mess of discordant events and subplots with not a hint of a discernable throughline, so the monologue's purpose is not to fill in blanks, so we know exactly what the hero has to fight against, but more like the writers remembered at the last second that they had to somehow link all the shit they'd been throwing at the wall and give Luthor a semblance of motivation. Just as the first act and a proper introduction to the protagonist were thrown away in favour of on-screen text, this is a film which repeatedly tells you everything about its story and shows almost nothing: its only interest is action, so the stuff which should be contextualising that action and setting the stakes both narratively and for the characters is either reduced to exposition, repeatedly undercut by bad jokes or simply a desire to move on as quickly as possible.

I'm not going to pretend I'm a fan of Gunn's, whose work has always seemed completely superficial to me, suggesting themes and character work without doing the work to make anything meaningful of them. This however is a nadir, all plot and no story, a succession of half-baked, barely related events half-heartedly tied up at the very end and stranding its actors in roles where what little characterisation they're given is thrown away or inverted at the first opportunity for a joke or to squeeze in some action. It alludes to real-life conflicts in the shallowest, most distasteful way possible: one side only wants to murder everyone on the other and take their land. Even Russia's invasion of Ukraine, for all its evil, isn't just motivated by mindless bloodthirst, and best not get into some of the anti-semitism it skirts with in alluding to Israel and Palestine. Once you get past the more colourful palette - heightened in that unreal CGI way which leaves most modern blockbusters in the uncanny valley even when ostensibly shooting real life - the differences from Snyder's films is far shorter than the publicity department would like you to imagine. The mass destruction of Metropolis remains, as does Superman killing someone, albeit by throwing him into a black hole rather than a neck break, though at least Snyder's Superman was shown to be pained about it. A fight with a kaiju pays lipservice to Superman wanting to save rather than kill it, but it gets killed anyway and only ends up establishing that nobody really cares about what Superman thinks. Even the music underwhelms, heavily leaning on lesser remixes of the classic Superman theme alongside original tracks either too on-the-nose or utterly generic.

I am admittedly coming to this from the perspective of someone who has never read a Superman comic, and the bulk of my knowledge of the character is from the films and wider pop cultural depictions. That said, Gunn wanting his film to be more like the comics does not excuse fundamentally bad (verging on absent) storytelling, inconsistent characterisation repeatedly undermined by out-of-place and narratively incoherent attempts at humour, swathes of characters who take up a lot of screentime for no purpose, a camera which won't stop swirling around and a soundtrack which sounds like a placeholder. If you enjoyed this, then all power to you: I freely admit to probably not being the target audience. That said, I found nothing of value in it at all, a movie which tries to con its viewers into thinking 'more' is the same as 'fun' when it's really just another badly-made, badly-written, overbudgeted mess to throw on the pile.
 
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I'd probably give it a 6 as well. I just got out of the theater, and I can't help but feel a bit disappointed.

It's not bad, but man this movie is way overstuffed. There's like 4 hours worth of movie here, cut down to a little over two hours.

The fundamental issue for me is that there's not a single, meaningful throughline in the film that gives it the feeling that things matter. There's no weight, no stakes, no meat on the bone. It tries to be serious like, two or three times, but it never follows through and usually goes for a joke instead.

Despite a lot of creative character designs, cool tech, bright and colorful visuals, and plenty of nods and deep cuts from comic books, I just didn't care that much.

No single character is on screen long enough for me to feel like I know or care about them, including Superman. It's as if we skipped an entire trilogy of movies and started with Justice League Part 1.

There's just so much going on and so little time. You've got Lois and Clark's relationship, Krypto, his parents, the Justice Gang and it's three members, Lex Luthor and his group, Ultraman and The Engineer, The Daily Planet and all it's members, a Kaiju, black holes, anti-proton rivers, mutated monkeys, a war between Israe... two fictional countries and a crazy dictator, interdimensional floating eyeballs...It's all just too much. The tone is all over the place and the writing isn't strong enough to overcome that.

The jokes were sadly very hit or miss in my theater, only about three or four got some laughs. And you can tell that the film really wanted to be funny.

The soundtrack was also very mixed. The classic theme is great, but there's a lot of punk rock here that clashes with the tone of the film. Not bad, but more suiteable for Guardians.

That's not to say it was all bad. The visuals are nice and bright, which definitely invokes classic comic book superman vibes. The film is overall well casted and there are a few touching moments here and there, along with plenty of action. It's not boring or bland, it keeps things moving, and Superman does feel human and somewhat relatable.

It's big and bold, a swing in a totally different direction, and I do commend that, but man it just did not come together for me. It does lots of weird shit, but I felt nothing.

If you really want to see a 200 million dollar saturday morning cartoon on the big screen, you're going to love it. Especially on a big IMAX screen. But if you want an actual movie, with actual characters and arcs, you might be disappointed.

Does feel like you just tuned in randomly to a Saturday morning episode in the middle of a season. I'm not sure what we learned about the world and people other than their base personality traits. There were things I was interested in, but wanted so much more. Guy was pretty interesting to me. They should have leaned more into the corporate heroes thing but it just mentions that and that's all we get. Lexs plan is so boring and generic. I think monkeys did write that.

I hate this version of Superman's parents. Both krypton and on the farm.
Supergirl is hot
I give it. 7/10.
 
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This looks like one of those movies like Terminator Dark Fate that seem generic and forgettable but the internet seems very excited with because of the marketing blitz but when a few months pass everyone will just agree that it was bad. Of course this one will most probably be much better than that absolute trash but the fact that reviewers say it's a predictable James Gunn movie tells me everything I need to know about it. Gunn humor and quirky dialogue is such a terrible choice for Superman
 
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Got myself a ticket for Saturday any Superman movie is worth seeing, how Superman deals with humanity is always interesting, is he better than Batman because of his powers? No it's his judgement, everything with Superman is about balance of power
 
Yea should have gone a bit more
like he gets a beat up a lot. I don't like the clone bit. So unearned, was hoping at the end he just overpowers the 2500 moves and combination shit. Like before he was pulling his punches, but once he got pissed and saw it was a fake, he just one taps it faster than any kind of remote control can deal with
A4! B9! E7! S4! K23! U8!

Yeah, I don't know why they went with that weird programmed combo stuff, it would be better if he had more agency.
 
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I liked it, was nice to see a Superman who wasn't invincible, means more when he doesn't give up.

Took the family, my brother and I loved it. My son (8) enjoyed it but got restless when the action died down. My daughter (6) called it Stupidman and fell asleep, but she enjoyed the dog.
 
I'm saying you could pull a panel to say "WOW, superman is suuuuper racist to japanese people" just like you can pull a panel to say "WOW, superman is suuuuuper in favor of immigration". Over the near century of iterations on a character as massively popular and prolific as superman you can probably find panels to support damn near anything. But what SHOULD be important is the stuff that gains traction and then persists to then define the character for long periods. Superman isn't a real person, he is just the mouth piece for the writers, of which there have been many. So I think you can judge what the audience finds "appropriate" by what resonates and then gets incorporated into the core character.

Well, Superman is treated as a foreign alien (once his Kryptonian heritage is made public, which generally happens with his first interview with Lois) who shouldn't be trusted by Lex Luthor consistently and thoroughly since at least the 80's in terms of the comics and plenty of the adaptations. It's not my fault that some people either lack enough familiarity of the character to know that, or couldn't pick up on an obvious metaphor that only when James Gunn brings it up in an interview, they go, "wait, what?!" Lex Luthor just also happens to be a rich, corrupt businessman who gets into politics in the comics and plenty of the adaptations and actually has some success in the political field even if he's already had some criminal activity of his own publicly exposed by that point. Again, this has been a thing since the 80's to today, and Superman fans shouldn't have to put up with the iconic villain altered just because one could easily draw some real world parallels to it.

Gunn clearly won't tolerate that shit, which is good. You keep enabling these crybabies, I guarantee you given time they might eventually go, "…you know, do we really need the whole 'discrimination' element of the X-men series?"

Also, Superman Smashes the Klan, the radio show story I mentioned as my second example, actually got adapted into a comic book in 2019. It was critically acclaimed, won multiple awards, and made the Top 20 Graphic Novels Sold in Q2 2020. So, I guess that element of the character "persisted and resonated". Thank you for proving me right.

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Lord knows I can't wait for people to desperately try to claim Oliver Queen/Green Arrow shouldn't be a clear cut liberal if he comes to film when that has absolutely been a major character element of his since the 70's in the comics. Anyone trying to ask, "but is that element persistent?" will look ridiculous, like they might as well ask if The Flash usually runs really fast.
 
Just got back from watching it. I had two concerns going into this movie: that it might be too shmaltzy and/or preachy, and that it was going to feel too bloated with all the characters in it. But I should have never doubted Gunn - the man is a screenwriting legend for good reason, and managed to produce another tight and clever script. There is some shmaltz but it doesn't get preachy (despite what certain folk online want you to believe), and most characters are given their time to shine. Like I knew Miss Teschmacher was in this movie but I never imagined she would be an actual character instead of just a walking pair of tits like in Donner's original. That said, I did feel like Hawkgirl is one character that was a bit overshadowed. Also not a fan of her costume in this movie. Or the shrieking.

So yeah it's not perfect, and I can go into detail about what I loved and didn't love about the movie, but when it comes down to it: it is easily the best Superman movie since 1978, and a FAR better effort than Man of Steel (which missed the point of Superman entirely)... or Batman v Superman... or even Justice League (both theatrical and bloated cut).
 
I've never seen a movie that seems to cause such varying strong opinions and some circles of fandom seem to have such a desire for it to fail.
 
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11 year old boys love Superman. 14 year old daughters prefer the preview for wicked. But overall enjoyed the film.

I will sleep on it and talk about it tomorrow.
 
I didn't like how the people immediately turn against Superman because of social media post. Its like they were all zombies and never had a mind of their own. Should have let the giant kaiju completely destroy the city, that's how much these people there are unlikeable.

The 2 nation at war, didn't even cared for that plot.
 
A4! B9! E7! S4! K23! U8!

Yeah, I don't know why they went with that weird programmed combo stuff, it would be better if he had more agency.

Honestly, I'd have preferred had they not gone the mindless clone route with it all. Would have been better to either just be bizarro or have him be a Kal-El from another reality, one that actually wants to fulfill Jor-El's evil plan. I hate that change but if you're going to go that route you should really give it some more meat.
 
Overall it is a 3/5 Fun movie but it is impossible to live up to the nostalgia of what you grew up with. Also Superman the Movie is superior in every way. There is something wonderful about film making when you had to do things in a practical way and not rely on the computer. Computers look better but I think it takes out some real creativity. Reeve embodied the role. The new guy is good as superman, but I am bothered that he has a shaved head for all the promo work.

That is my bias out of the way.

Overall I liked the representation of Superman and his character. I think they did a good job with the character overall. Lois is good, and the Justice Gang is fun, but they are comic relief more than anything. I have no idea what Lord Tech is.

Lex Luthor - I think they diminish the character, and he is far too emotional. Also big movie Lex has been played by some top tier actors. It is a prestige role, and Lex didn't have that. It is weird that half his lines are calling out attack commands. I think that is distracting. The character should be elevated and above it all. He should be finding a way to the presidency.

The main enemy feels cheap.

Clark and Martha Kent were very normal, and at first I didn't care for them, but after a few scenes they won me over.

I think what the movie misses is superman helping the average guy. He does in the course of bigger events, but there were no small moments or what would say human moments in the film. Maybe the apartment scene with Lois was a good small moment, but I think it needed a little bit more humanity.

Like I said 11 year old boys love it. 47 year olds that grew up on the Reeve Superman will probably find it alright.
 
I fundamentally disagree with Gunn that we never need to see an orgin story again, because this movie felt, as another person said, like we randomly tuned into a mid season episode of a show. I love seeing Superman grow and learn who he is, I love seeing spiderman find his powers, I love seeing Iron Man become Iron Man, orgin stories tend to be some of the best parts of the Charecters, and I think Gunn failling at that fails at grounding this Superman and making him a superman for a new generation, instead he's just another "guy playing the role".
 
I fundamentally disagree with Gunn that we never need to see an orgin story again, because this movie felt, as another person said, like we randomly tuned into a mid season episode of a show. I love seeing Superman grow and learn who he is, I love seeing spiderman find his powers, I love seeing Iron Man become Iron Man, orgin stories tend to be some of the best parts of the Charecters, and I think Gunn failling at that fails at grounding this Superman and making him a superman for a new generation, instead he's just another "guy playing the role".

I think the issue with Superman origin it would be hard to top him growing up in 60s American HS in idealistic Kansas farm with longing and hope for a future. Reeve and Donner (I think) really captured the Origin and character. If I was making Superman I would not want to compete with that, and would probably try to find a way to pay homage to it. Superman growing up in an age of social media turns him into a cynic like the rest of us.
 
I have no idea what Lord Tech is.

Is Maxwell Lord (played by Sean Gunn) not in it? He's supposed to be. I assumed he'd be the one managing the Justice Gang, as in the comics he's the manager of the JLI (Justice League International) for a while.
 
Is Maxwell Lord (played by Sean Gunn) not in it? He's supposed to be. I assumed he'd be the one managing the Justice Gang, as in the comics he's the manager of the JLI (Justice League International) for a while.

He makes an appearance in an interview segment. For much of the movie I thought Sean Gunn was one of the Henchmen.
 
Who is the Henchmen that does the computers and has the big Mustache and side burns? Looked like a guy out of the Minions series.
 
He makes an appearance in an interview segment. For much of the movie I thought Sean Gunn was one of the Henchmen.

Ah, I see. Yeah, Maxwell Lord is the owner of Lord Tech. He and Guy Gardener and Hawkgirl are also supposed to appear in at least one scene of Peacemaker Season 2, so hopefully he gets a bit more screentime there.
 
This popped up on the one of the sites I use for TV so I gave it a watch. The trailer made it look incredibly overstuffed and while that very much played out (the Justice Gang did approximately nothing of value, with the main contributor being Mr Terrific opening a portal and providing Lois with a ship), the core characters and 'story', as far as there was one, were somehow far, far worse.

To begin with, there's no first act at all: if the film doesn't want to do the full origin story, that's fine, but we still need to get to know this version of Superman, what he's like and establishing what he's capable of at his best to contextualise his struggles once the story properly begins. Instead, a few expository paragraphs are written on-screen (with an odd and meaningless repetition of the number '3') where we're told he's just lost his first fight and we see him crash to Earth bloodied and bruised, followed by a comedy bit with a CGI dog, before he flies away and gets beaten up again. That's this Superman's introduction: being bad at what we're supposed to admire him for, interjected with some schtick with a dog and some robots.

Unfortunately, that's a pretty accurate representation of who this Superman is, as he's repeatedly shown to make bad decisions, able to lose all public support in a second, be self-doubting for no reason (he tosses out the "I'm not who I thought I was" line at one point, de facto replaying the conclusion of the Timeless Child arc from Doctor Who's lowest point where the hero's lesson is that the source of all the agonising self-evidently doesn't matter in the slightest) and generally bad at what he does. The most egregious point is when he ignores a monster attacking the city because he's having a conversation with Lois (he handwaves away that the Justice Gang can handle it), which seems to me the antithesis of who Superman is (always wanting to save people and do good) both in this film and in general. He's willing to get involved in a foreign war because he doesn't want to people to die, but is happy to let an alien creature repeatedly fire lasers into his city because he doesn't want to break up a chat with his girlfriend?

Lois herself gets one good scene, when she interviews Superman and holds him to proper journalistic scrutiny: at that point in the film, Clark reacting petulantly to being pushed back on makes sense as someone who hasn't been a public superhero for long, and might have been an angle to explore had he not already been shown to be useless in general. Again, had he been given a proper introduction where we seem him being effective at his heroic purpose, it would at least have established someone who usually does a lot of good but whose positive intentions led him into a moral blindspot, not someone for whom this was just the latest in a succession of failures and terrible decisions.

Unfortunately, outside that scene, Lois goes downhill as well: later, when she should be focused on a rescue mission, she starts blabbing about her relationship problems, and then for some reason doesn't know the difference between a circle and a sphere. Small things perhaps, but it's her character being diminished for the sake of jokes, an ongoing issue with the film undermining itself repeatedly to shoehorn in laborious, unfunny gags (see also: everything with Krypto, including a less funny, less coherent rehash of a beloved moment from the first Avengers film). Even the bulk of the journalistic work is done by Jimmy, weirdly characterised as being irresistible to women, yet even his profession integrity gets undermined when a female source offers him everything he needs on the condition he spend the weekend with her: rather than say whatever she wants to hear just to get her evidence, he starts hesitating and moaning because he finds her annoying (she sends everything anyway, seemingly mid-kidnap, because it would be awfully inconvenient if she hadn't).

Nicolas Hoult as Lex doesn't work either: apart from the fact he spends virtually the entire film in the same control room at LuthorCorp tower, he's an unthreatening whiner whose scheme/the plot of the film is so badly told as to be relayed to the audience in its entirety in a single monologue towards the end. I'm a lifelong Bond fan so have no issues with a hammy villain speech, but in Bond films, you typically have a rough idea of what is going on and what Bond's mission is by that point, even if we need the villain to tie up the loose ends with an explanation at the beginning of the third act so we can see how Bond foils it all. This, however, is not only flat exposition by a one-note villain, but has to tell you literally the entire plot right at the end of the film, when everything has effectively already been resolved. The whole film is a mess of discordant events and subplots with not a hint of a discernable throughline, so the monologue's purpose is not to fill in blanks, so we know exactly what the hero has to fight against, but more like the writers remembered at the last second that they had to somehow link all the shit they'd been throwing at the wall and give Luthor a semblance of motivation. Just as the first act and a proper introduction to the protagonist were thrown away in favour of on-screen text, this is a film which repeatedly tells you everything about its story and shows almost nothing: its only interest is action, so the stuff which should be contextualising that action and setting the stakes both narratively and for the characters is either reduced to exposition, repeatedly undercut by bad jokes or simply a desire to move on as quickly as possible.

I'm not going to pretend I'm a fan of Gunn's, whose work has always seemed completely superficial to me, suggesting themes and character work without doing the work to make anything meaningful of them. This however is a nadir, all plot and no story, a succession of half-baked, barely related events half-heartedly tied up at the very end and stranding its actors in roles where what little characterisation they're given is thrown away or inverted at the first opportunity for a joke or to squeeze in some action. It alludes to real-life conflicts in the shallowest, most distasteful way possible: one side only wants to murder everyone on the other and take their land. Even Russia's invasion of Ukraine, for all its evil, isn't just motivated by mindless bloodthirst, and best not get into some of the anti-semitism it skirts with in alluding to Israel and Palestine. Once you get past the more colourful palette - heightened in that unreal CGI way which leaves most modern blockbusters in the uncanny valley even when ostensibly shooting real life - the differences from Snyder's films is far shorter than the publicity department would like you to imagine. The mass destruction of Metropolis remains, as does Superman killing someone, albeit by throwing him into a black hole rather than a neck break, though at least Snyder's Superman was shown to be pained about it. A fight with a kaiju pays lipservice to Superman wanting to save rather than kill it, but it gets killed anyway and only ends up establishing that nobody really cares about what Superman thinks. Even the music underwhelms, heavily leaning on lesser remixes of the classic Superman theme alongside original tracks either too on-the-nose or utterly generic.

I am admittedly coming to this from the perspective of someone who has never read a Superman comic, and the bulk of my knowledge of the character is from the films and wider pop cultural depictions. That said, Gunn wanting his film to be more like the comics does not excuse fundamentally bad (verging on absent) storytelling, inconsistent characterisation repeatedly undermined by out-of-place and narratively incoherent attempts at humour, swathes of characters who take up a lot of screentime for no purpose, a camera which won't stop swirling around and a soundtrack which sounds like a placeholder. If you enjoyed this, then all power to you: I freely admit to probably not being the target audience. That said, I found nothing of value in it at all, a movie which tries to con its viewers into thinking 'more' is the same as 'fun' when it's really just another badly-made, badly-written, overbudgeted mess to throw on the pile.
Superman is a very important character to me--my son's middle name is Kent, and my daughter's is Clarke, so--and for the life of me I don't understand how this character keeps getting messed up. It should be a slam dunk.
 
I'm so tired of the 'social media saves the day' thing. Its such a cheap, lazy solution device.
I fundamentally disagree with Gunn that we never need to see an orgin story again, because this movie felt, as another person said, like we randomly tuned into a mid season episode of a show. I love seeing Superman grow and learn who he is, I love seeing spiderman find his powers, I love seeing Iron Man become Iron Man, orgin stories tend to be some of the best parts of the Charecters, and I think Gunn failling at that fails at grounding this Superman and making him a superman for a new generation, instead he's just another "guy playing the role".

I think DC rushed Gunn and really want to jump into the big movies because they feel they're behind Marvel. Whose already on stage 6 or whatever (even though they suck now) and they're still at like .5
 
Superman is a very important character to me--my son's middle name is Kent, and my daughter's is Clarke, so--and for the life of me I don't understand how this character keeps getting messed up. It should be a slam dunk.
Because wholesome masculinity is 'literally' a poison today.

The ONLY person who could do supes justice today is Taylor Sheridan. GodDAMN he could write a magnificent Justice League show and do every character justice!
 
This was amazing. They chose perfect actors to play Superman and Lois. Action was well shot and I was suprised by many things. I'm glad Gunn directed this.

4/5
 
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I am definitely seeing this either this weekend or during a Monday matinee. It looks fantastic, the DC-based movie I've been desiring for over a decade. Furthermore, I can't recall ever witnessing an intended-blockbuster, tentpole film get a 95% audience rating on Rotten Tomatoes.
 
Dude. Just got out of the movie. Phenomenal. easily 4.5, maybe 4.75 out of 5, and I love the classics with Christopher Reeve AND Man of Steel (shock, how can I love 3 variations of the same character?!?!).

They nailed all the characters, although he might get sued for his interpretation of Black Noir Ultraman. Thought I was watching The Boys a few times. I just love how Gunn isn't afraid to embrace the comics, throw in humor, and yet have a serious plotline.

Looking forward to future DC projects if this sets the bar.
 
This movie might have my favorite live-action Superman suit. I was sceptical at first but it looks so good on screen.
 
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This reminded me that Superman admits to torturing a world leader, which I forgot to mention in my last post and Gunn, of course, tries to pass off as a joke: I don't think it would have gone down so well had Superman said 'I stabbed needles throughout his body as a form of punishment'. I may not know the comic Superman but that - and the aforementioned 'let a giant monster keep attacking the city rather than interrupt a chat with Lois' - doesn't strike me as 'blue boy scout' behaviour. The fact Lois calls him out on it doesn't take away from the fact he did it at all - I don't think even Snyder/Cavill's 'gritty' Superman ever stooped to deliberately inflicting suffering to adjust someone's behaviour (threats, yes; don't remember him going further than that, though).
 
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Its hollow and don't plan to see it again.

This is not how you start a connected universe. I really didn't care or give a shit about the characters because they're not setup in such a way that the audience should care and that includes Superman. It feels exactly like others have said, that you're dropped into a saga 4 or 5 movies in.

Marvel did it right in phase 1. Why not just follow that blueprint to setup your core Justice League characters.

The follow up to this better be a Superman movie focused only on the character and nothing else or this will just end up another Snyderverse.

This movie was best in the quieter moments with Lois and his parents. Incredible chemistry between Corenswet and Brosnahan. I wanted more of that. That was when it was a Superman movie IMO.

Also the post credit scenes are just pointless and stupid. Either you setup the next project or leave things on a cliffhanger. Waisted my time sitting through credits to watch that trash.

Remove the Justice Gang from the movie. Focus on Clarke, his upbringing and his relationship with Lois and the movie has a shot at being the best Superman since the Donner version.

Also the suit takes me out of it but this is a minor gripe.

Solid 2/5.
 
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Thought it was decent.

I think some folks like Xanadaca want more from movies, that's fair, but it's not really going to be mass appeal. This feels quite safe, mass appeal, throw in a dog for extra.

I think Lex was actually good. I got the sense he's quite immature, impulsive, bachelor where his more matured sinister side would come in the future. Same for Superman, 3 years is still quite fresh, so I expect that to change (plus the general viewer feedback).

Personally, it feeling like a random episode was a positive. I am quite tired of needing a movie to have greater meaning, tying into some grandiose plot, I think for Superman's new debut, this is a good balance and it was entertaining in the same way. Just needed my morning cereal.

Some of the jokes were lame, Krypto was ok but also glad it wasn't used any more than it was, really wasn't a fan for most scenes.

It was nice to see a brighter colour pallette. I still don't like the suit/Gaurdians wardrobe, though.

Mr.T and Guy was decent.

For future, I want a more wise, mature Superman with bigger threats.

I feel like we aren't long before Superboy and bigger villains with pocket universes and what not. So I'm excited.
 
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Just got in after seeing it, but wanted to quickly say that I enjoyed it and it was a Superman film through and through. I liked it just went straight in as it was with the animated series and Justice League animated series as well. Feels right given we've had so many origin stories and what is already out there. Lex Luthor was the highlight though, man he killed it (same for Mr Terrific).

I give it around 6.5-7 out of 10. James Gunn has done good so far.
 
Seeing it in a few hours. Interesting that it's still in the 80s on RT after 300+ reviews. Probably set to do pretty good domestically, internationally however it's doing quite bad.
 
I rated it a 7 out of 10

Better than I thought it would be but I actually wanted justice league part 2 as I really hate unfinished storylines. I also enjoyed the back and forth between batman and the joker in that post apocalyptic credit scene.

This new DC universe is such a different tone that it took a while for me not to cringe but meh I can enjoy things that aren't what I want so it is what it is and whatever stupid things James Gunn offers up I'll at leadt find some fun watching either in a good cinema or on my small home theatre.

The guy that played superman was more like Christopher Reeve than the man's man Henry Cavill.

I don't understand how the batman movie with Robert Pattinson fits in this so I'd be okay if they 1 and done with that version as I'd like to see batman in another bunch of movies with the DC characters as I enjoyed batfleck doing it.
 
I rated it a 7 out of 10

Better than I thought it would be but I actually wanted justice league part 2 as I really hate unfinished storylines. I also enjoyed the back and forth between batman and the joker in that post apocalyptic credit scene.

This new DC universe is such a different tone that it took a while for me not to cringe but meh I can enjoy things that aren't what I want so it is what it is and whatever stupid things James Gunn offers up I'll at leadt find some fun watching either in a good cinema or on my small home theatre.

The guy that played superman was more like Christopher Reeve than the man's man Henry Cavill.

I don't understand how the batman movie with Robert Pattinson fits in this so I'd be okay if they 1 and done with that version as I'd like to see batman in another bunch of movies with the DC characters as I enjoyed batfleck doing it.

Battinson exists in his own universe, separate from the DCU. THERE'LL be a new Batman and Bat-Family for the DCU.

Like you, I enjoyed the Snyderverse (mostly) but I'm also looking forward to this new universe. Having a comic book come to life is what I've wanted for eons!
 
Thought it was decent.

I think some folks like Xanadaca want more from movies, that's fair, but it's not really going to be mass appeal. This feels quite safe, mass appeal, throw in a dog for extra.

I'd like a movie that has consistent characterisation, knows the story it wants to tell and tells it competently. None of that has anything to do with having mass appeal or not. I never criticised the film for not being artsy enough or not doing something it was never trying to do, I criticised it for failing to achieve the basics of good writing on both a character and narrative level, as well as more subjective qualities like the soundtrack and directing choices. A film like Kpop Demon Hunters, for instance, has enormous popular appeal, doesn't push any artistic boundaries or go for any deeper themes than the 'believe in yourself' which is de rigeur for 99% of family movies, yet nails everything it is aiming for to a high standard. The story is clear, focused and well-paced, I know who the characters are even if they don't go much deeper than their archetypes, the humour is often silly and surreal but stays within the tone of the film and doesn't break character (Rumi doesn't reveal her demon patterns early for a quick laugh, for instance), and as an additional positive compared to other contemporary movies, is self-contained rather than cramming in superfluous, time-wasting 'world building' sequel bait.

Suggesting 'mass appeal' is an excuse for being badly written is as untrue and counterproductive as saying the same about family or children's films. There are myriad fantastic films with mass appeal and which don't have wider aims beyond entertaining their audience, such as Donner's original Superman (which is not a movie I'm especially attached to, but appreciate the many things it does well and how it achieved everything it set out to), so it's no excuse for Gunn not being able to reach the same essential standards in his entertainment this time as many others have before him.

(And to reiterate a point I already made, if you enjoyed it, I'm not taking anything away from you; there are many imperfect films I've had a great time with, but nor does my enjoyment invalidate others' fair criticism.)
 
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Probably give it a 7/10.

A decent watch, did enjoy. But downsides-
apart from one scene Superman feels weak and is constantly getting battered, and having others save him. Too many characters.
 
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Finally watched it and I would say it is slightly above a meh. None of the action scenes were great to me but it does feel like he has the heart of superman but he is just so whiny. He is also a lot weaker than your typical superman. He isn't that strong and he isn't that fast. The technology in the movie was really weird like that B4, A6, G13 was just stupid and never should have worked considering how fast superman is. I kept thinking that superman should be calmer and more collected.
 
Finally watched it and I would say it is slightly above a meh. None of the action scenes were great to me but it does feel like he has the heart of superman but he is just so whiny. He is also a lot weaker than your typical superman. He isn't that strong and he isn't that fast. The technology in the movie was really weird like that B4, A6, G13 was just stupid and never should have worked considering how fast superman is. I kept thinking that superman should be calmer and more collected.

Agreed. I'd give it a: Meh -

It had a few moments. Most of them not with Superman.

The suit is bad but not distracting.

Lex's whole shit was megalomanaical nonsense.

The comic book world is there but I wouldn't call it accurate.

Too much talking. All scenes involving Lois were painful, the first 15 minutes were the worst.
 
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Agreed. I'd give it a: Meh -

It had a few moments. Most of them not with Superman.

The suit is bad but not distracting.

Lex's whole shit was megalomanaical nonsense.

The comic book world is there but I wouldn't call it accurate.

Too much talking. All scenes involving Lois were painful, the first 15 minutes were the worst.
It did a great job of creating a universe to further explore.

I don't know how audiences will react to this movie.

Gunn should have started with the Justice Gang.
 
Gunn should have started with the Justice Gang.

Disagree, I think Superman is generally the first character to introduce in a DC universe as he is so important to major events to the universe as a whole.

With Marvel, they had to leave Spider-man, X-men, and Fantastic Four off the table at the time due to film rights, so it made sense to start with Iron Man with they had, even if Captain America is arguably the more important figure of a Marvel universe usually, having the first MCU movie to release start off in World War II might have thrown general audiences off when they saw the trailers for it, they'd be like, "wait, if it's set then, is this just its own stand alone thing? Or is all of Marvel supposed to be set in the 40's?" Beginning with Iron Man made more sense from that perspective.
 
Disagree, I think Superman is generally the first character to introduce in a DC universe as he is so important to major events to the universe as a whole.

With Marvel, they had to leave Spider-man, X-men, and Fantastic Four off the table at the time due to film rights, so it made sense to start with Iron Man with they had, even if Captain America is arguably the more important figure of a Marvel universe usually, having the first MCU movie to release start off in World War II might have thrown general audiences off when they saw the trailers for it, they'd be like, "wait, if it's set then, is this just its own stand alone thing? Or is all of Marvel supposed to be set in the 40's?" Beginning with Iron Man made more sense from that perspective.
I agree that it should be the first character to introduce in a DC universe but Gunn's style is more for groups. So he should have done his Justice group and then have Superman swoop in during the after credits and save the day. It would have generated hype for Superman and we would have gotten an awesome dc guardians of the galaxy like movie.
 
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I agree that it should be the first character to introduce in a DC universe but Gunn's style is more for groups. So he should have done his Justice group and then have Superman swoop in during the after credits and save the day. It would have generated hype for Superman and we would have gotten an awesome dc guardians of the galaxy like movie.

So you would be more okay with starting with Superman with a different director? If so, any preferences?

Me, I'm okay with him doing a solo film. I mean, you could take all of Rocket's backstory scenes from Guardians 3 and remove everything else and the film would still hit me in the feels like a sack of bricks. So I have optimism as I see this film tomorrow night.

Plus, if Gunn was doing to do a Justice movie like you said, then I would have made it the actual Justice League International, whose most iconic run in the late 80's to early 00's was very wacky and comedic. Have Guy Gardener, Hawkgirl, Maxwell Lord, and maybe Mr. Terrific (he's more well known for his time in the Justice Society of America run by Geoff Johns, James Robinson, and a few others, but he could be reworked into the JLI).

Then add Booster Gold (who is getting his own TV series eventually), Ted Kord/Blue Beetle (they're supposed to introduce Jaime Reyes in this verse with an animated series eventually, but they could still keep Ted alive and active by having him still make new tech by visiting Jaime and working with him on the Beetle scarab), and Fire and Ice. I'd think that group would be a fun dynamic and Gunn could nail it.

I was worried if they did add Ice, well, her and Guy Gardener being a couple is a major aspect of their characters (she's like the one person he'll generally treat with kindness, though he occasionally lets his more immature side show with her), and with Nathan Fillion playing Guy, I was like, "man, they're going to have make Ice much older, that'll be weird". But actually I checked and Fillion is 54, they could have Ice played by someone in their mid to late 30's and it would be fine.

Still weirded out that Hal Jordan in the Lanterns show will be played by Kyle Chandler who is 59. I think people are convinced they're definitely going to kill him off like the 90's storyline, but I hope not, too many big Green Lantern stories have Hal as a major player, and you have his friendships with Oliver Queen/Green Arrow and Barry Allen/Flash (unless they just start with Wally West), his long feud with Sinestro who is the iconic Green Lantern villain, and his relationship with Carol Ferris.

If they do kill off Hal, I could hope the Rebirth storyline then gets adapted later and he is revived in a somewhat younger body played by an actor who could pass for a younger-looking Kyle Chandler.

Plus, when Hal was dead, he became a new incarnation of The Spectre, a divine entity who passes judgment on corrupt humans and other beings, though Hal tries to change this mission from judgment to offering possible redemption. A well done Spectre film could rock, with some level of horror elements.

Anyway, sorry for the Green Lantern tangent there.
 
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