Stop writing all this nonsense here, I'm a stupid, clueless old man with senile dementia - don't ruin my image!Mayar You were right about Uglyea, my man! I'm currently playing through the new event, and she fucking wrecks everything. And yeah, although I don't have her BiS support Sunday like in this trial team, I'll be keeping an eye out for her when her banner reruns. Depending on what pulls I'll have saved up I might try to get her.
You were right and I was wrong. I'll admit that, although I'm still not a big fan of her design.Stop writing all this nonsense here, I'm a stupid, clueless old man with senile dementia - don't ruin my image!
I'll have to keep an eye for Sunday too, cuz he's an OP buffer for a bunch of top tier DPS units.
You were right and I was wrong. I'll admit that, although I'm still not a big fan of her design.
First of all, I see Expedition 33 - RespectI've been playing HSR on PC and mobile since version 3.3 dropped earlier this week, and today I wanted to chill and make some main story progression on the big telly, so I turned on my PS5 Pro and saw that I needed to do an 80GB update (basically redownload the whole game). Hoyo, the fuck is this!?
Thanks, man!
I just checked on my PC, and the install size there is 60GB, so I don't understand why it's 110GB on PS5. Surely the assets and their quality are the same between PC and PS5? They really need to do something about the install size on PS5 and how their patching works so you don't have to redownload basically the whole game with each major update.They have never been able to make patches, and very often force players to download games again. Forgive me, but the fact that this game takes up 80GB, with such a low level of detail, PS2-era models and textures from there, raises huge questions. It's the size of two Warframes, actually (Those who have played it know how massive the game is).
It shows me that it requires 114gb when i try to install it on PC so its probably size required for patching/unpacking and it possibly ends up smaller once its intalled.Thanks, man!
I just checked on my PC, and the install size there is 60GB, so I don't understand why it's 110GB on PS5. Surely the assets and their quality are the same between PC and PS5? They really need to do something about the install size on PS5 and how their patching works so you don't have to redownload basically the whole game with each major update.
Nah. It's 108.9GB after it finished updating on PS5. You need about 200GB of space on PS5 when updating HSR (110GB for the game and 80GB for the update), so I guess you might as well uninstall and reinstall if you're low on space.
Interesting, i know the mobile versions lets you delete some unused files, but i dont think the PC one lets us do that, or perhaps its automatic to some degree.Nah. It's 108.9GB after it finished updating on PS5. You need about 200GB of space on PS5 when updating HSR (110GB for the game and 80GB for the update), so I guess you might as well uninstall and reinstall if you're low on space.
ZZZ and Genshin also take up more space on PS5 than on PC, but not double the space like HSR does.
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Yeah, it's pretty wild that's bigger in size than AC Shadows. Unfortunately I can't delete any languages for HSR, although for some titles you can by using the manage content option on the game's icon on the dashboard.
Yeah, ZZZ has some permanent events as well, but I was mostly talking about Genshin, where if you missed any of the big events like I did, you're kind of screwed. In HSR, there are over 20 permanent events, and the Ghost Event I mentioned isn't even listed here:
Yep. The Fate collab comes in 3.4
I don't think it's good for the state of the game, but I won't be the guy that poopoos people that like him. Looks like Hyselins is a full on powercreep support built for him that requires her LC + an Eidolon or something too. Basically the game will be Phainon game in 2 patches.
They recently opened CN server. Upon doing so, the game (of course) had to be censored, but they included a built-in decensored file (something Global has been asking for, for a while, when they do stupid minor inconsistent censorship probably driven by google play or something). In addition, they gave CN server a huge amount of QoL updates (mold pity to 100%, No cooldown/cost for Synchro device, Auto-tower, less than 1/10th the average loading times, character buffs for bad characters that GLB doesn't get, better shops with better stuff for sale, easier to level up and break the 160 wall, + more I'm forgetting)
JP is the problem in this scenario. Other regions were hitting social media and demanding better, but JP (again) was saying "wow what a great game, can't wait to see more", bootlicking and ignoring any of the problems.
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Considering the past experience of their previous games. Even if they are buffed. They still won't be able to compete with the meta, but it creates a pleasant picture for the players "Look, we heard you", although ultimately it doesn't change the situation in the game. Reruns are not what you make money on, a very large percentage of players do not move beyond E0, and those who want to move on have already pulled everything out on the first banner. That's why reruns show significantly worse indicators than release banners. The main driver is new characters.
I think it's a combination of Genshin not drawing in as many new players + veteran players and casuals already have teams that they're happy with and can clear their preferred "tier" of content with. Outside of Zhongli, HoYo hasn't ever directly buffed any character in Genshin. They just release new weapons/artifacts/supporting characters that indirectly buff older ones. Not my favorite way of handling it tbh. Anniversary was a sneaky move putting both hotly anticipated character banners on at the same time, and holding half of the anniversary rewards until it ended. Even then, it's not as bad as HSR's "spending event" nonsense, designed only to push FOMO to the maximum and to make you feel bad if you didn't shell out $100 or more.
Obviously reruns don't contribute to the majority of the war chest, but it IS an important part of it.Considering the past experience of their previous games. Even if they are buffed. They still won't be able to compete with the meta, but it creates a pleasant picture for the players "Look, we heard you", although ultimately it doesn't change the situation in the game. Reruns are not what you make money on, a very large percentage of players do not move beyond E0, and those who want to move on have already pulled everything out on the first banner. That's why reruns show significantly worse indicators than release banners. The main driver is new characters.
First time playing miHoYo games, huh? Let's wait for 4.0, when everything will be the same again and all tcharacters that are now including Phainon will start to lose their relevance. They will also raise the percentage of HP and DEF of opponents by 20% in all game modes as usual, so that you will really feel that DPS is not enough (They love to do this in all their games, little by little in each patch, so that it's not so obvious).
I think some of this is not as visible to you precisely because you are a new player. For those around since the start, this pattern is all too familiar and getting grating.
If you do this I will leave Neogaf.
Well, the WuWa OT that was made byNah imo it's good to shoot the shit here, gacha space on GAF doesn't seem to densely populated anyway and I have a feeling H:SR ain't big enough here for an OT - just a gut feeling tho, if you make the OT we shall see.
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was basically just him and Pejo, with the occasional visit from PonyStation4, talking about the game for about 3-4 months. Then I picked up the game in late Nov of last year, and with version 2.0, it was picked up by other GAFers, and the OT became very lively.Like I said, I get the frustrations, and I did acknowledge this in the post you partially quoted.
I've actually seen a couple of Infinity Nikki players posting in random threads, so maybe there's interest in Nikki here on GAF as well.If you do this I will leave Neogaf.
There are not many players here who play Gacha games and believe us it doesn't matter in which topic you ask or write about HSR. I definitely won't write to you - "that this is not a topic for this game, so don't dare write here."
At one time I also wanted to make a topic for Infinity Nikki, but then I realized that there was no particular point in it.
Sorry if I came off as gruff or whatever, that wasn't the case. I was just expanding on my previous post as far as my issues with Star Rail. There is some frustration on my part with the game, because I like a lot of the things it does, but the core monetization and several aspects of the story, characters, and powercreep really disappointed me, because I know it can be done better.
I'll be the first to admit, I play too many gachas to be "endgame competitive" in some or even most of them. I just literally don't have the time or desire to waste playtime farming perfect gear or whatever, so I do one run in each game/mode with my best available and settle with what I get. It compounds for me because I like leveling/building nearly the whole roster for "Flexibility" when in reality I never use 75% of them anyways. It's a personality flaw. I'm actively going against the devs intended course of "now focus on these 4 characters for this patch, then toss them in the bin in a few months and work on these new ones". The end result is that I have a ton of half built characters that are useless everywhere lol. But I'm fine with that because as you said, endgame is just one small part of the whole package.
It's all good, my man. I understand where you're coming from, as I've seen similar sentiments expressed by others playing the game. Maybe if they start to lose players like some of the other gachas do, they'll have to rethink their stance on how they monetize and balance the game. Personally, I think HSR serves as a strong template for what a live service JRPG can achieve, and I hope some of the major JP publishers like Square Enix and Bandai Namco are taking a hard look at this. More competition in the market could make the HSR team to take the complaints from players seriously. However, I doubt these JP publishers have the drive or even the know-how to establish proper dev pipelines needed to sustain such ambitious live service JRPGs over the long term.
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Yeah, these types of stories are a bit concerning. The pull some of these gacha husbandos and waifus have on people can be a bit too much... I personally would never overspend my gaming budget, especially to get eidolons or constellations, even if the character in question is one of my favorites in the game (e.g. Acheron and The Herta). If I want their eidolons that badly I will start saving with that in mind just like I did with Shorekeeper in WuWa.
P.S - Almost no way, a person either has common sense inside, understanding that sometimes you just need to stop, and most importantly a complete understanding of how this system works and what problems it can create. If a person cannot control himself, this gives rise to a lot of problems, and in 95% of cases, as with gambling, here without outside intervention it is no longer possible to stop it (China is doing everything it can to limit games as much as possible, regularly issuing laws that tighten the conditions, and even this does not stop people).
The question of human psychology is generally very complex and individual for each person. Although, as it seems to me, there is also a problem of parents. My son plays Gacha games, and yes, it is impossible to avoid or block it, since it is already everywhere and everyone at school plays them. My wife and I had a conversation with him about the fact that he can play them, but we will not give him money for purchases + no gifts for these games on holidays (gift codes, etc.). Only regular games (He wanted Astrobot, we bought him), and actually one of the reasons why I began to stop spending money in these games. This is to show him by my example that yes, you can play them FTP and set an example for him and morally support him.
Majority of the players and also the revenue are coming from mobile so I don't think they'd want to rock the boat just to satisfy the desires of a minority of PC or console players who want better graphics.
| Game | Avg. Character Poly Count |
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| Genshin Impact | 20,000 – 40,000 tris |
| Honkai: Star Rail | 40,000 – 70,000+ tris |
They still look very mediocre by today's standards (I won't even compare it to Infinity Nikki - it wouldn't be fair at all, after all Unreal 5 - there are probably more polygons in one pair of socks than in the entire HSR modelBy the way, the character models in HSR have a higher poly count than those in Genshin.
), but the fact that they are still sitting on Unity will not lead them to anything good, their games are already starting to show their age. And at the end of this year, the beginning of the next, new projects will start coming out, and against their graphics, their games will look very weak visually.
Well, yes, but Infinity Nikki doesn't look great on mobile, which is why most of its player base is on console and PC. I don't see HSR switching to a different engine, but perhaps they'll consider it if they develop HSR 2?They still look very mediocre by today's standards (I won't even compare it to Infinity Nikki - it wouldn't be fair at all, after all Unreal 5 - there are probably more polygons in one pair of socks than in the entire HSR model
Infinity Nikki is a unique case, it is a game with a very strong focus on the outfits and the character model. That is, I understand that they deliberately chose Unreal 5 in order to maximize the visuals, but the game is currently too technologically ahead of everything that is available on the mobile phone market to give the same picture as on a PC or PS5. Therefore, they can only hope that phones will gradually reduce this gap. It was their choice, they made it themselves. Now, the trend is slowly gaining momentum that the difference between PC + Console version and Mobile version is starting to really catch the eye. Mobile phones are no longer keeping up with the development of the graphics market in games.Well, yes, but Infinity Nikki doesn't look great on mobile, which is why most of its player base is on console and PC. I don't see HSR switching to a different engine, but perhaps they'll consider it if they develop HSR 2?
Btw, Star Rail runs very well on mobile. it's snappy and mostly stays locked at 60 fps on my Galaxy S23, plus it looks more than decent to my eyes.
Yeah, I guess they didn't have much of a choice, because like you said, this game series focuses a lot on the fashion aspect, so all the assets need to be high quality. They kinda threw the mobile version under the bus to focus on the PC and console versions though.
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It's not even so much a problem with optimization. By the way, Infiniti Nikki added a 60 FPS mode for the top models. The problem here is that graphics of the games have flown very far ahead. And phones are very limited by the capabilities of the graphics chip + power supply (This is generally a disaster, we are stuck on polymer batteries, we have zero progress). And what we see now is that they are already sacrificing battery life in order to supply more voltage to the graphics. At the same time, Switch 2 has a noticeably lower operating time than original Switch. Everything is very complicated here, we get an increasingly beautiful picture in gacha games, and mobile devices simply not able to give it out, or your phone will work for 15-20 minutes until it is completely discharged.Yeah, I guess they didn't have much of a choice, because like you said, this game series focuses a lot on the fashion aspect, so all the assets need to be high quality. They kinda threw the mobile version under the bus to focus on the PC and console versions though.
On a side note, Epic said that UE 5.5 brings a lot of optimizations for mobile, and some of the newer gachas will hopefully release with this version. I'm very curious to see how these UE 5.5 gachas will run on mobile. Will it be the same fiasco that happened with Nikki at release, or will things be better?
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I dont think its possible to clear the final stage of current Apocalyptic Shadow with any combination of 4 stars or any combination of E6 limited 5 stars from 1.0 for that matter. The bogus "impressive clear" showcases that people do always use 1 outdated character with 3 best 5 star supports like Robin, Sunday and Tribbie, usually with multiple eidolons.
Anyways, I also find myself playing quite a few gachas at the moment, although I recently decided to drop one of them (Heaven Burns Red) because it was becoming a tad too much. I want to avoid getting too caught up in the gacha cycle, as I've seen how it can consume time and sometimes a lot of money if you don't have enough self-control (see this recent post from the gacha gaming subreddit). I made it a point to stick to my monthly budget for games (I'm a bit of a nerd about it, and I track all my entertainment expenses in an excel file I keep on my google drive
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