GAF-Hop 2011+ |OT| of Listening to Classics (Not f&$@ing U-God)
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Grzi said:
i mean whose flow looks good or varied in comparison to big's? the only guy in the game with better or similar chops in regard to versatility is jigga... and basically no one else. Pac wasn't about just bars. He was a storyteller first and foremost and nobody did that better... your complaints about repetitive flow are something i agree with and it's one of the reasons i dont have pac in my top 5 and barely top 10.... but dude could obviously rap
spindashing
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Damn, he would still be so young...
It's a shame that we've lost both Pac and Biggie. Two of the most influential people in the game.
I guess I'll rectify my not listening to Biggie by copping Ready to Die somewhere. I shouldn't be so closeminded.
It's a shame that we've lost both Pac and Biggie. Two of the most influential people in the game.
I guess I'll rectify my not listening to Biggie by copping Ready to Die somewhere. I shouldn't be so closeminded.
Are you implying some sort of metamorphic change that Biggie underwent that Pac didn't? Pac tackled different topics, but he was always on some real life issues, and I wouldn't want that to change. Biggie's work, although I enjoy it and respect it all myself, seems so one dimensional compared to the shit Pac was spitting. Both greats had different goals when they hit the booth, Pac wanted to tell a story, Big wanted to raise the bar lyrically. And each had elements of both in their raps, which is what makes them two of the greatest of all time.Grzi said:
Tell me with a straight face Pac can't rap.
dskillzhtown
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Grzi said:
Not sure how you can listen to his entire catalog and say that. If you don't like Pac, that's on you but don't act like he sounded exactly alike on every song. Hell, even throughout is career he changed his flow up. He was heavily influenced with whoever he was hanging out with at the time.
runlikehell
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Lloyd Banks? Isn't that a Cardiak beat?Blackace said:
Grzi said:
Panther Power (1989)
Point Tha Finga (1993)
Lord Knows (1995)
Hold Ya Head (1996)
The more fame and controversy came, the more he began to evolve his craft.
Detox said:
Very true
both pac and B.I.G. died too young.spindashing said:
Yes, you won't regret it!
Blackace said:
Those are two completely different eras in hip-hop (and Pac's career), so it shouldn't be compared.
Take, let's say Al Eyez On Me. The entire album is rapped with the same flow. Every track. The same flow is used on the albums after that, it's a fact.
Biggie can switch ten different flows in ONE FUCKING SONG. Listen to Victory, for example, that's like a school of flow to every rapper.
For those that think I'm hating on Pac's lyricism - I'm not, I'm just saying that he's a bad rapper on a technical level.
It's not all about what you say, some of it is about how you say it.
I agree with the part that Big was one-dimensional compared to Pac but the thing is he didn't have the time to really mature into more concious subject matter, he showed signs of it with Sky's the Limit. You can't fault the guy he was just doing the mafioso albums that everyone was doing around then.
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EschatonDX said:
dskillzhtown
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Jay Sosa said:
Hating on Pac and liking Southern rap does not compute.
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Got released a few days ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h1EOvURhW8&feature=feedu
don't know how I feel about it. Videos not particularly good. Don't like the song that much either lol. Think 60 should stick to battling and making videos about Bec Cartright.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h1EOvURhW8&feature=feedu
don't know how I feel about it. Videos not particularly good. Don't like the song that much either lol. Think 60 should stick to battling and making videos about Bec Cartright.
spindashing
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Wait, hold on. Just what is wrong with keeping a similar flow in tracks? I mean that's how I identified rappers other than their voice way back before iPods and radios that displayed the artist name/song name/album name.
EDIT: v Pac's version blew my fucking mind when I realized it was about a gun.
EDIT: v Pac's version blew my fucking mind when I realized it was about a gun.
Pac was extremely versatile in terms of lyrics and topic, but not so versatile in terms of flow, well at least in comparison to Biggie. Pac's lyrics were basically poetry set to a beat, whereas Biggie' lyrics were simply a vehicle for the MC to showcase his flow. It's an apples to oranges comparison. Basically compare their respective versions of these themes:
Me & My Bitch
My and My Girlfriend
Pac's version is deeper, more metaphorical, and his exaggerated delivery really works
Biggie's version features a more straightforward theme, but the song's depth lies outside solely of its lyrics and is concealed within the rhyme schemes and the rapper's bravado.
Me & My Bitch
My and My Girlfriend
Pac's version is deeper, more metaphorical, and his exaggerated delivery really works
Biggie's version features a more straightforward theme, but the song's depth lies outside solely of its lyrics and is concealed within the rhyme schemes and the rapper's bravado.
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Argh... yeah. Freaking hate that.Lambtron said:
I like Nas' virtual answer to Pac the best, even though I know it's basically blasphemy.
HiResDes said:
^He got the concept for Me and My Girlfriend from Nas' I Gave You Power for those curious.
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Lambtron said:
Which is why I listen to the Pete Rock remix of Juicy more often than I listen to the original.
Yeah I don't get this either. I mean you can switch up your flow a bit to keep things interesting, but you wouldn't want your favourite rapper trying some foreign kind of flow that their content, lyrics or delivery isn't suited to. *cough*kanye*cough*spindashing said:
And to be honest, when rappers switch up their flow 8 times in a verse it just makes it all sound so disjointed and unlistenable. Not that Big does that.
Props to HiResDes for maintaining neutrality in the Biggie vs. Pac argument this long. You know you wanna crack.
spindashing
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Yeah, I heard Don Killuminati before It Was Written, but I Gave You Power is still pretty damned good.
dskillzhtown
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Grzi said:
Just curious, how can you love most of his albums, but think he couldn't rap for shit?
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HiResDes said:
I don't. I could enjoy a few songs by shitty rappers because of beats/features. But to enjoy multiple albums by someone I think sucks as a rapper is foreign to me. I would be thining, "Man this guy sucks, he ain't even rhyming!!!!"
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