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GAF-Hop 2011+ |OT3| Look out for OT4 before Detox (dat sh!t cray)
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Glass Rebel
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Uh, if it's your opinion, who's gonna take that from you?
Personally I think Dilla is (was) the best but Pete made the best beat (T.R.O.Y). I wouldn't put Dan even into my Top 10 even though I love his work.
Well he was almost DJ Shadow's mentor in a way and DJ Shadow is also a highly regarded producer.
Of course, that's mostly because his first album was pretty much amazing for its time. But Dan showed him the software to make the music he made in the end.
Glass Rebel
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Sure, I just think that other producers are better at conveying a certain sensation or atmosphere or just more creative. Handsome Boy Modeling School and Deltron are fantastic but it's just not up there with Donuts, Madvillainy, Mecca & The Soul Brother or 36 Chambers, for me at least.
Yeah I feel ya.
There are other great producers of course don't get me wrong. I like all the ones you named as well.
My amazon order finally arrived 
Listened to Camp yesterday..all I'm gonna say is lol at pitchfork. Are they really so desperate?
Could easily crack my Top 5 but I still have to listen to Wonder Years and that Drake album.
Nothing gonna come even close to my Top 2 with Section 80 and R4 though.
Listened to Camp yesterday..all I'm gonna say is lol at pitchfork. Are they really so desperate?
Could easily crack my Top 5 but I still have to listen to Wonder Years and that Drake album.
Nothing gonna come even close to my Top 2 with Section 80 and R4 though.
Glass Rebel
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I think rating producers is pretty difficult tbh. I mean Dilla's stuff works really well even as instrumentals while RZA had a way to elevate the lyrics of the clan but sounds often boring by himself. I'm way more interested in discussing the techniques and samples used than putting producers against each other like we often do with rappers.
Now watch someone come and declare Khaled as the GOAT.
agreed. Cameras is probably my most listened to song on the album.
Tokubetsu
Member
Where all the Spitta fans at? You guys remember Muscle Car Chronicles? Yea...
http://towerchimerecordings.bandcamp.com/album/muscle-car-chronicles
(stream the whole thing now, Vinyl/CD/Digital Release TBA)
http://towerchimerecordings.bandcamp.com/album/muscle-car-chronicles
(stream the whole thing now, Vinyl/CD/Digital Release TBA)
Man it's so sad to see bonafide hip hop OGs like Sway spewing this bullshit about Drake being a "gamechanger" and forcing other rappers to get on their A-game. This was the goddamn co-host of the best hip hop radio show ever, a show on which Drake would be laughed out of the studio during even their weakest cipher sessions, and now he is reduced to corporate shilling and lying through his teeth about how awesome this cookie cutter "rapper" is. I know Sway's been on MTV for a long time and already sold his credibility, but this is a new low. Painful to watch.
RIP Wakeup Show - Thank god I still have my cassette recordings of you.
There are way too many producers out there to declare someone the GOAT.
Glass Rebel
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So are rappers but that doesn't stop anybody from sayin that either Em, Biggie or Tupac are "DUH BESS'!"
Nah, of course not, but discussing it is something I like to do.
The fact that you put Dan the Automator, Madlib, Pete Rock, J Dilla, and RZA in the same thought, lets me know that you know what you're talking about.
took fucking long enough. but you cant stream the whole thing unless im doing it wrong.
IrishNinja
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woulda made my day.
you know? still kinda salty ICP tried to jack ninjas into their shitty dialogue, works way better here.
seriously, wayne & co have been banking and laying low for the most part (still dont know what that beyonce shit was about), drake's been talkin kinda reckless. luda wasn't gonna be the only one.
holy fuck, day 1
thanks for this, gonna have to hit that up, as well as new WCW and backpack & a dream!
WAIT, hold up?! Sway actually said that?! fuuuck. lost a bit of respect for him.
I've been saying this for a while now, someone please show me where on Take Care does Drake shine as a RAPPER? Not as a a singer or artist or w/e, but strictly as a rapper?
C'mon son, you should know this is a staple of Game videos by now. It's cringeworthy at this point.
pretty much all the rap songs except Make Me Proud.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Wow. I might have t make my own TM103 since most, if not all those tracks came out via mixtapes. "Stop Playin Wit Me" is still my jam.
Glass Rebel
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*brofist*
You can't actually believe that? Only two instances of decent rap is HYFR and UGK
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Scared Money is a hot track too
Hell yeah.
Tokubetsu
Member
Yea, I jumped the gun. Still, I had only hear one of the tracks.
Yeah that Martians vs. Goblins video is definitely a case of good concept, bad execution, bad choice of single. Should've been The City or All I Know. Maybe the former because a song like the latter has already been put out (Pot of Gold). It's in Game's best interest to start riding the KL wave in the mainstream, and being in a Game single (+ video) would probably do more for KL than anything/one else has thus far.
I dunno, I think he'd be better off to ride the Tyler wave. People who know of Kendrick know how good he is, and he kills Game on that track.
Tokubetsu
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http://youtu.be/9p1QJI-GmC8
I shouldn't have laughed so much. Lost it to the reaction on the dude's face during the sauce one.
First one has a gem too:
http://youtu.be/8mkioXqJ7_0
I shouldn't have laughed so much. Lost it to the reaction on the dude's face during the sauce one.
First one has a gem too:
http://youtu.be/8mkioXqJ7_0
This video sucks, and he only made the video because Tyler, The Creator is popular at the moment.
Tracklist looks awesome- I'm in the lib but I'm gonna listen when I get home
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
...he is?
Glass Rebel
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Haven't really had the time to listen to it. I liked your other stuff even though I'm not a WC guy.
No, cos it's your opinion, but I would take RZA, Pete Rock, Large Professor, Q-Tip, Premier and one or two others over him.
ShinobiFist
Banned
But Sway is actually right. Get off your high horse, fo'real. You need to understand what Sway means. If you want to make it as a mainstream "Hip-Hop" artist in this day in age, you have to be on that Drake shit. If you're not a establish artist, is going to be tough. You may not like it, but that's the industry right now. I missed the crunk era
Yep. At the very least you have to be able to sing. If you can't it's going to be 100 times harder to break in.But Sway is actually right. Get off your high horse, fo'real. You need to understand what Sway means. If you want to make it as a mainstream "Hip-Hop" artist in this day in age, you have to be on that Drake shit. If you're not a establish artist, is going to be tough. You may not like it, but that's the industry right now. I missed the crunk era
Sad hip-hop story of the week.........
Years ago, a track by LL Cool J called "Yeah of the Hip-Hop" was played on the radio, but it was never released. Here's the track: -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DER5-oSRm0A
There were rumours that this song would get a proper release floating around for some time, but then a label called Slice of Spice finally picked up the rights to release it earlier this year.
A couple of different versions were released, including a limited edition run of 10 test pressings signed by the producer, K-Def which were going for $100 each. As I'm both a record collector and a big fan of LL and K-Def, I decided to try and get one. I happened to be sitting at my PC when Slice of Spice sent out emails saying that the record was available to pre-order, so I headed over to the site and managed to bag one of the 10 signed test pressings, which sold out a few minutes later.
A few days ago, there was a knock at the door and it was the postman. He said he had a package for me, but it had been damaged. He handed me this bag: -
Inside was the record, which was absolutely soaked through with water. I let it dry out and it looked like this: -
The ink had run on the jacket, on the inner liner and the jacket was all bent and had come apart.
I contacted Slice of Spice and they said that only 10 were pressed, so there were no spares. Thankfully, they're going to send me a new jacket (signed by K-Def again) and inner sleeve. It's just my luck though! I buy loads of records from the US and the one that's the rarest of them all is the only one that turns up looking like it's been dunked in a bath of water, lol.
Years ago, a track by LL Cool J called "Yeah of the Hip-Hop" was played on the radio, but it was never released. Here's the track: -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DER5-oSRm0A
There were rumours that this song would get a proper release floating around for some time, but then a label called Slice of Spice finally picked up the rights to release it earlier this year.
A couple of different versions were released, including a limited edition run of 10 test pressings signed by the producer, K-Def which were going for $100 each. As I'm both a record collector and a big fan of LL and K-Def, I decided to try and get one. I happened to be sitting at my PC when Slice of Spice sent out emails saying that the record was available to pre-order, so I headed over to the site and managed to bag one of the 10 signed test pressings, which sold out a few minutes later.
A few days ago, there was a knock at the door and it was the postman. He said he had a package for me, but it had been damaged. He handed me this bag: -
Inside was the record, which was absolutely soaked through with water. I let it dry out and it looked like this: -
The ink had run on the jacket, on the inner liner and the jacket was all bent and had come apart.
I contacted Slice of Spice and they said that only 10 were pressed, so there were no spares. Thankfully, they're going to send me a new jacket (signed by K-Def again) and inner sleeve. It's just my luck though! I buy loads of records from the US and the one that's the rarest of them all is the only one that turns up looking like it's been dunked in a bath of water, lol.
ShinobiFist
Banned
I remember growing up, what it took to be a MC in the 80's. You had to rock the crowd with your DJ and energy. And when Rakim came along, it changed everything. He set the stander for a Hip-Hop artist in general. My uncle from was not feeling it all, same could be said about most cats from the two turntables and bboy circles. They felt they couldn't rock to it at all. Mind you, the younger era dig Rakim, and acts to follow, but when Gangsta rap came in the scene. People got salty again, lol. It never ends with Hip-Hop. Every time a new sound or movement happens, people scream "This ain't hip-hop!"
Tokubetsu
Member
Kendrick adressed this on Buried Alive.
"We talk casually about the industry/ And how the women be the taste makers for the shit we making"
And Surly, thats fucking awesome! nice find!
It's not about being right and wrong. It's about a real hip hop veteran spitting bullshit opinions he doesn't actually believe because it's his job now. Either that or he had a lobotomy at some point and forgot what good hip hop sounds like. Sway is a corporate shill now. Back in the wakeup show days they would never, ever have spun a Drake record. Ever. Except maybe to have the rappers in the studio clown the shit out of it. And now Sway thinks Drake is an awesome artist who is making people step their A-game up? No. Wrong. Bullshit.But Sway is actually right. Get off your high horse, fo'real. You need to understand what Sway means. If you want to make it as a mainstream "Hip-Hop" artist in this day in age, you have to be on that Drake shit. If you're not a establish artist, is going to be tough. You may not like it, but that's the industry right now. I missed the crunk era
I can still remember Sway and King Tech ranting for hours at a time about how record sales don't mean shit, that they don't care about who is mainstream, that it's all about skills and respect for the culture, and all that usual rah-rah shit. Well at some point, Sway had to join the other team. The team that doesn't care about skills or rapping ability. The team that ONLY cares about spins and record sales. And so now he says the opposite of what he used to. I can understand and respect that because the man needs to eat and support his family, but it's bullshit.
Macca007 said:
whoa.... dem beats...
I think the problem is that the "good stuff" was mainstream back then. You'd get tracks from Public Enemy, A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Wu-Tang Clan, NWA and so on in the UK top 40 pop charts along with tracks from people like Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer.
I think there's several explanations for why hip-hop has declined (or is perceived to be that way by many), including sampling laws, labels controlling radio stations far more, labels taking less of a risk when signing new artists, the disappearance of decent hip-hop shows on MTV, BET and so on. A lot of the popular hip-hop that comes out today sounds very watered down to me - like it's made to a "make a song that sells" formula, while in the past it was more like artists made what they wanted and it coincidentally happened to sell (with Vanilla Ice and the like being the exception). That's a bit of a generalisation, but that's the way I see it as someone that's been heavily into hip-hop since 1981.
I don't really know much about Sway, but I do think Drake is a game changer. And rappers are going to have to step their A game up. Does that mean they have to morph into being Drake though? Well no. But if they wanna do his kind of numbers then they are going to have to do something different.
I totally agree about sales. To me, the only reason sales matter is to guarantee more from an artist. I do not feel it is a barometer of quality at all. For me, I'm quite happy with rappers doing 2-300k as long as the music stays good. But are these artists happy with doing those numbers and Drake doing a million? That's the question. If not, then they have to make changes. Simple as that.
I would say Drake is still an isolated incident with one exception. Singrap hasnt taken off the way a lot of people think it has and when the older cats try it they're often met with derision even from the fanbase(How to Love is a good example although it charted well). The only other guy doing the singing rapping GUUURRRRLLL thing is Childish Gambino, although I suppose you could throw current Big Sean in the same bracket despite his songs being more about slaying that ass than the more *sensitive* subjects.
Drake hasn't changed shit. He made some shit the bitches liked, signed to the label who basically owns the airwaves, and blew up. Period. And good for him, I don't knock anyone's hustle. He doesn't force anyone to step their game up because his "rapping" is shit tier. It's caca. If anything dudes would have to dumb their shit down to get on his level.
You said dudes need to sing to get on now. And now you say that they have to do something different to do Drake numbers. I'm sorry dude but that is just nonsense. First of all not everyone is going to do big numbers these days, and the quickest way to lose the fans you do have is to copy some shitty fad that isn't your lane. K.R.I.T and Action Bronson are already at an A-game level. If either of them tried to sing or do some Drake shit to get numbers they would get laughed off the planet. You seen Radioactive's numbers? Following trends and trying to do some formulaic shit because it works for that other guy isn't a guarantee of success by any means.
ShinobiFist
Banned
Again, like I said earlier. A lot of people from the late 70's and early 80's were not digging the "good stuff you're talking about. Everything is heavily marketed and manufacture. The 90's when through a bunch of phases. But the biggest one was negativity. The image of Guns and violence was rampant on album covers and videos during the 90's. Saying the stuff of today is water down is laughable. You'll be surprise how many of the stuff you like, people consider water down back then. Especially "Hip-Hop" in general.
Drake VS Common
I don't think Drake should even attempt this one. Remember Common's diss against Ice Cube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGXG5LS9X2I
I don't think Drake should even attempt this one. Remember Common's diss against Ice Cube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGXG5LS9X2I
ShinobiFist
Banned
Again, if you came into the scene as a straight underground MC, build a following, and switch up your style on some puppy water shit. Of course you're going to lose fans, that's fucking obvious. If you want to "Keep it real" stay independent, spam your work and travel like a mad man. Is that simple. If you can't do that, you won't make it as an artist in general, period. because who knows, you might be the next trend *Cough, Tyler*
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