Tokubetsu said:My rationalization of is a bit like a flow chart I guess. We have mainstream rap or what average joe considers to be the atypical rap. This changes over time to incorporate different sounds (much like other genres). These older or "outdated" sounds fall to the side and kinda become sub-genres. It's all hip-hop but based on area, year etc they're different. I don't really know what else you want me to say haha. It's easier to define things once they're labled.
Brettison said:2. XV - Everybody's Nobody
Mad props to XV getting a deal. I just really like this album as a whole. Unlike the other 3 albums where I just want to listen to certain tracks or want to skip stuff or never want to just put it on and play, I never skip to a track on Everybody's Nobody. I just put this one and let it roll out. From the Intro to In Due Time I'm digging the flow and the beats riding the whole mix tape wave.
Kimosabae said:Thanks for that, but I have a problem with you putting mainstream rap in the center of that chart.
Huh? WTF your rambling about, the term "Backpacker" has never carry that "Racial" tone your talking about. The term change over the decades when it was actually reference to graffiti writers who had underground rap music that you hear on WKCR-NY for example in their backpacks. People use the term to described Underground Rap Music(Or Fans)nowadays.Kimosabae said:No, you suck.
Believe it or not, there's actually a lot of racial baggage being carried in the term "backpacker" - people typically use it to refer to the new millennium explosion of underground white rap artists. He didn't just say " I don't like Aesop and Atmo", he stated their very existence within the "subgenre" made it objectively unstable, somehow. He directly relates two black acts to two white acts. It may have just been subconscious but I wouldn't call it a coincidence.
Honestly, I've never heard anyone refer to rappers such as BT and Talib as "backpack".
HiResDes said:Since we're revisiting semi-old mixtapes, been bumping this one today:
http://cdn.tss.uproxx.com/TSS/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Dee-Goodz-ConGradUlations-Cover-540x540.jpg
[URL="http://usershare.net/lbdrxqle1tmb"]DL LINK[/URL]
Definitely some laid back shit, slizza posted this in the old thread I believe.[/QUOTE]
Yeah said it before in the old thread that winner track has one of my favorite beats I heard this year. Too bad I can't find a link anywhere..
@the foxy pic: At least Foxy still looks like she belongs on our planet.
I think a lot of people are gonna be disappointed when Lasers comes out, the hype Lupe gets is nearly as big as when GRODT was released. He's like the Justin Bieber of the Hip Hop Community, you guys scream and faint when you see him? :lol
I don't find it to be contradictory at all. Selling your product and being "mainstream" CAN have a bit of overlap, but they really are mutually exclusive issues.Brettison said:Count me in the camp that wonders why he's so obsessed about leaks and sales on one hand, but doesn't care about being mainstream or getting big or anything on the other. Just seems rather contradictory.
Brettison said:1. The ILLZ - The Pursuit
This shit is on another level. I don't just like this album. I don't just like this album now. Hell my GF heard this album one time last week when we were making out, and asked if I could share the next day. This album isn't just a good hip-hop album. It's not just a great hip-hop album of 2010. Hell it's not just a great album for 2010. I can say this is one of the best albums I've heard of the past 5 years or so in ANY genre.
The cover for this one is just fuck'n sooooooo in tune with the album it's scary. That it's beyond twilight but not like zomg it's fuck'n totally black out feel. The it's a lazy train ride at night where you aren't sure if you are really awake but you can tell you aren't really dreaming either. You're just drifting through your thoughts while you stare out the window and let "life just with a blink or pass by us." It almost has this throw back feel you'd get from an old movie with some detective in his office late at night without the jazzy horns.
Illz lyrics and flows just fit the feel he's trying to get across is fuck'n awesome. To quote Illz at the end of the 1st track the appreciation...
"I like to really come across with a lot of emotion and I want people to be able to relate to who I'm writing too. If you listen to my music there's not really nothing crazy I don't really brag to much on record uh it's just you know I make music that people can really relate to you know when you have issues you know it's it's I like to come across with a lot of emotions I really like to connect with people that way and that's basically how I approach every track..."
Well bravo sir you definitely have connected with me!
Tokubetsu said:Look at what Lupe has done. He's ruined this thread.
Finally listened to:
Good shit but what is up with them using Smooth Sailing? Was it planned for this but just ended up on Wu Massacre first? "The Testimony" by Killah Priest is my favourite track on the album. Beat is dope, chorus is great and Priest kills it like usual. I know I was fucking late but I'm glad I finally got into Priest.
Dreams-Visions said:In short, I'm sure he understands its important to maintain and sell to your niche. because your market isn't huge, being able to sell to that market is even more important than usual. This does not mean, however, that he should compromise his musical integrity in order to reach those not ordinarily attracted to his music...which in this context means simplified lyrics, generic themes, and club stuff. Not that there's really anything wrong with those things...but its inherently antithetical to who he wants to be and be known as.
Kimosabae said:Sorry for the Double Post.
I'm truly shocked at all the Aesop hate in here. I know he's not for everyone, but I thought he at least got the general respect he deserved.
Funny story - people tried putting me onto Aesop continuously in the early 00s, and I tossed his CDs out my car window each time. I thought he was nonsensical trash. One day I decided to actually sit and listen to his music discerningly in an attempt to understand how he managed to trick publishers into releasing his bullshit and actually generate a fanbase.
Without hesitation, I'll say that was a defining moment for me. Aesop's music changed my life. His lyricism totally opened my mind to what I should expect not only from music; but from entertainment in general. This, in turn, forced me interpret the world around me differently and I was constantly seeking stimulation. I can't expect him to have that kind of effect on everyone, but I honestly think he could if people would let him - but that conspicuously like religious conviction, so I'll stop there.
I'm start posting more Aesop shit.
This is the first track I sat down and listened to when I discovered him:
The Tugboat Complex
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=125j6-Gt67k
dskillzhtown said:I am really hyped for Bun B next week. Though it seems that day is a big crowded with releases.
GoodMorning said:
Pinko Marx said:Who else is dropping?
Brettison said:2. XV - Everybody's Nobody
Mad props to XV getting a deal. I just really like this album as a whole. Unlike the other 3 albums where I just want to listen to certain tracks or want to skip stuff or never want to just put it on and play, I never skip to a track on Everybody's Nobody. I just put this one and let it roll out. From the Intro to In Due Time I'm digging the flow and the beats riding the whole mix tape wave.
1. The ILLZ - The Pursuit
This shit is on another level. I don't just like this album. I don't just like this album now. Hell my GF heard this album one time last week when we were making out, and asked if I could share the next day. This album isn't just a good hip-hop album. It's not just a great hip-hop album of 2010. Hell it's not just a great album for 2010. I can say this is one of the best albums I've heard of the past 5 years or so in ANY genre.
The cover for this one is just fuck'n sooooooo in tune with the album it's scary. That it's beyond twilight but not like zomg it's fuck'n totally black out feel. The it's a lazy train ride at night where you aren't sure if you are really awake but you can tell you aren't really dreaming either. You're just drifting through your thoughts while you stare out the window and let "life just with a blink or pass by us." It almost has this throw back feel you'd get from an old movie with some detective in his office late at night without the jazzy horns.
Illz lyrics and flows just fit the feel he's trying to get across is fuck'n awesome. To quote Illz at the end of the 1st track the appreciation...
"I like to really come across with a lot of emotion and I want people to be able to relate to who I'm writing too. If you listen to my music there's not really nothing crazy I don't really brag to much on record uh it's just you know I make music that people can really relate to you know when you have issues you know it's it's I like to come across with a lot of emotions I really like to connect with people that way and that's basically how I approach every track..."
Well bravo sir you definitely have connected with me!
Pinko Marx said:Who else is dropping?
Devil Theory said:Today:
2 Hungry Bros & 8thW1 - No Room For Dessert
Common Grackle - Great Depression
Cut Chemist - Sound Of The Police
Fat Joe - The Dark Side
Goldtoes Presents - The Gold Club
Goons United by the New School - The New Era
Kooley High - Eastern Standard Time
Lil Joe - High School Dropout
Madlib - Medicine Show No. 7: High Jazz
Moe Pope - Life After God
Paper Tiger - Made Like Us
Shawn Jackson - Brand New Old Me
Shawn Jackson - Brand New Old Me [Vinyl]
Slum Village - Villa Manifesto
Step Up 3D Original Motion Picture Soundtrack
Super Chron Flight Brothers - Cape Verde
Tech N9ne Collabos: The Gates Mixed Plate
Young D - Northern Cali Lifestyle
Spoken Word - After the Pain
http://www.netweed.com/hiphop/albums/
Bun B & El-P on 8/3.
Pinko Marx said:This talk of Atmosphere has gotten me listening to this album again.
Their best album, IMO. Silenced any haters that said that they were just "Emo-Rap".
:lol :lolGrzi said:
Kimosabae said:No, you suck.
Believe it or not, there's actually a lot of racial baggage being carried in the term "backpacker" - people typically use it to refer to the new millennium explosion of underground white rap artists. He didn't just say " I don't like Aesop and Atmo", he stated their very existence within the "subgenre" made it objectively unstable, somehow. He directly relates two black acts to two white acts. It may have just been subconscious but I wouldn't call it a coincidence.
Honestly, I've never heard anyone refer to rappers such as BT and Talib as "backpack".
Whatever.
Kamspy
Figures you'd choose Aesop's generally least regarded, and most experimental, album as your starting point to form an opinion on him.
Jay Sosa said:@kimo: Got that "Freezerburner" album today, the production is outstanding and Qwel is as nice as I expected. So far I like it even better than "The New Wine"
thisiswhatimtalmbout:
So damn amazing:
Saved
Forgive 'em
And listened to that Moe Green tape, very chill, perfect for a little walk during my lunch break.
Title match
EDIT: Just saw this video of Qwel freestyling, he looks like he posts here, get a haircut for christ's sake.
Old hobo looking motherfucker :lol
dskillzhtown said:Trying to decide if I am going to the Bun B CD release concert next week. General admission is 25 on the floor, reserved seating in the balcony is 50 bucks.
Kimosabae said:No, you suck.
Believe it or not, there's actually a lot of racial baggage being carried in the term "backpacker" - people typically use it to refer to the new millennium explosion of underground white rap artists. He didn't just say " I don't like Aesop and Atmo", he stated their very existence within the "subgenre" made it objectively unstable, somehow. He directly relates two black acts to two white acts. It may have just been subconscious but I wouldn't call it a coincidence.
Honestly, I've never heard anyone refer to rappers such as BT and Talib as "backpack".
The M.O.B said:
kamspy said:Post a posse cut. Doesn't have to be favorite, but it does have to bang hard as fuck.
The Beatnuts feat. Common Sense and Cuban Link - Slam Pit
Somehow Juju goes way above his raisn' and outshines better lyricists.
Big L feat. Cam'Ron, Terra, Budda Bless, Big Twan, Trooper J, Boogie - 8 iz enuff