Cole is Nas' spiritual successor?
If you count The Warm Up and FNL as albums, the career trajectories aren't far off.
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If you count The Warm Up and FNL as albums, the career trajectories aren't far off.
PhoenixDark
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Flows:
Kendrick>Cole>Drake
Lyrics:
Kendrick>Cole>Drake
Lyrical content/subject matter
Kendrick>Cole>Drake
Song writing:
Kendrick>Drake>>>Cole
Albums (so far)
Kendrick>Drake>Cole
Kendrick>Cole>Drake
Lyrics:
Kendrick>Cole>Drake
Lyrical content/subject matter
Kendrick>Cole>Drake
Song writing:
Kendrick>Drake>>>Cole
Albums (so far)
Kendrick>Drake>Cole
Face it Tiger..
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C'mon son, you could've made it look at least half legitimate with this one but you went all in.
TheKaeptain
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Yep. I think it's especially evident in song writing. Ya'll blinded by the immediacy of Drake's hook game.
Right on cue.
The Return of
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Let me help yall look at it through PP's eyes
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Money Trees. Swimming Pools. The Recipe.
Who isn't Nas eating alive verse for verse? At least in this case it fits the theme. Cole took that L smiling.
A handful of songs against an entire discography of decent to fire hooks.
While Kendrick has more ammo and I would definitely question Drake having a discography bursting at the seams of hooks, that's neither here nor there. I just refuted your condition which disqualified Kendrick. Never mind the verses.
PhoenixDark
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The "made Nas proud" thing is mad corny...but I can't hate. Nas killed that beat, wow. Crazy.
pop gaf confirmed.
Wtf??? This makes my brain hurt.
Gave that shit up too easy, Enzo.
90TilInfinity
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Amazing.
SMH @ this.
Everything is subjective if you want to remove the element of arguing altogether.Songwriting ability is completely fucking subjective, breh. If Die Walküre dropped today you would probably think it's shit because it wouldnt chart
Jay Z best songwriter in hip hop confirmed
enzo rule is still firmly in effect brehs
Drake pumps out hit after hit after hit after hit. Hooks are a huge part of song writing and let's be real, Kendrick doesn't make it far in that category. He has a few great ones (Money Trees, Spiteful Chant as an unorthodox but good one), but if Drake shows consistency anywhere, it's there. Son knows how to write a song and not just verses.
If you don't consider hooks as part of a song, and thus not part of the process of songwriting, yeah maybe Kendrick can fuck with Drake. But if not, Drake has got that category easy, especially considering PP separated lyrical ability and content. Drakes outstanding songwriting ability is what allows him to be as big as he is and something 99% of rappers lack, especially those that are on the cusp of breaking out but just can't. This is what pushed Wiz over the edge too.
Kendrick's hooks are good enough to get by. He doesn't pump out them struggle joints like Cole or Wale. But there's no way in hell I'd call Kendrick a great hook writer. The Recipe and Swimming Pools are the only ones I'd say are great from the GKMC cycle. I actually thought he had a far better feel for hooks on s80. But I also think s80 is better than GKMC* so there's that.
*the concept me through the songs I don't like: Real, Backseat Freestyle, Dying of Thirst, Good Kid, Sherane
*the concept me through the songs I don't like: Real, Backseat Freestyle, Dying of Thirst, Good Kid, Sherane
Kendrick makes catchy hooks. I still hear people singing shit from Bitch dont kill my vibe and money trees.
His next album will be chock full of pop hooks
edit: Kendrick is way better at storytelling and concept tracks. Drake has catchiness in spades, but like i said, kiddie pools.
His next album will be chock full of pop hooks
edit: Kendrick is way better at storytelling and concept tracks. Drake has catchiness in spades, but like i said, kiddie pools.
Too early for naptime breh
Don't worry. I still need to finish it. Listened to the first 3/4 tracks before I passed out and fell asleep.
If you don't consider the rest of the song a part of the song, and thus not part of the process of songwriting, yeah maybe Drake can fuck with Kendrick.
Songwriting is the composition of a song and how it comes together. Verses, hooks, and the content therein. Sure, you can give Drake the edge as far as hooks go, but Kendrick has a stronger foundation to his songs as well as the substance to make them work throughout. Themes and wordplay set him apart from his contemporary.
PhoenixDark
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I don't think song writing is validated by popularity. Music is full of amazing songwriters (K-OS, Mos Def, Tom Waits, Tribe Called Quest, etc) who don't really sell much, whereas even the corniest shit can generate sales (is anyone going to argue Lil Wayne is a good songwriter?).
I put Kendrick and Drake ahead of Cole on songwriting because I think they're (album) tracks are often better structured than Cole's. Cole can be quite "rappity rap" at times, and while it's impressive it's often not noteworthy. Drake is a solid hook/chorus writer, and more often than not is rather clever. Meanwhile Kendrick is an amazing storyteller and comes up with some amazing ways to utilize his voice without singing. Section 80 is probably a better example than GKMC: just consider how many different type of songs are on that album. Different styles, different tones etc all weaved together perfectly.
Cole feels very...simple ever since FNL. Very dumbed down, basically, not just lyrically but in terms of a general lack of doing anything...different.
I put Kendrick and Drake ahead of Cole on songwriting because I think they're (album) tracks are often better structured than Cole's. Cole can be quite "rappity rap" at times, and while it's impressive it's often not noteworthy. Drake is a solid hook/chorus writer, and more often than not is rather clever. Meanwhile Kendrick is an amazing storyteller and comes up with some amazing ways to utilize his voice without singing. Section 80 is probably a better example than GKMC: just consider how many different type of songs are on that album. Different styles, different tones etc all weaved together perfectly.
Cole feels very...simple ever since FNL. Very dumbed down, basically, not just lyrically but in terms of a general lack of doing anything...different.
Kazeem Famuyide ‏@RealLifeKaz 18m
So us as journalists have to track down fans and their twitter/instagram pages to get the track list for #MagnaCarta. Lol brilliant.
peep my last post.
So us as journalists have to track down fans and their twitter/instagram pages to get the track list for #MagnaCarta. Lol brilliant.
peep my last post.
Team Jones
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Drake = J. Cole = Kendrick
I just respect the flows.
...and lets not start 'Make random categories and rap attributes to shit on J. Cole'.
I just respect the flows.
...and lets not start 'Make random categories and rap attributes to shit on J. Cole'.
Furious Styles
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#newrules
S80 so much better
Probably the biggest problem I have with Cole now, its like he hit his peak with FNL and hasn't really gotten back to anything consistently good. Outside of a few songs like Power Trip or Runaway, I haven't really seen any growth in Cole's production or songwriting ability.
#hovwishes
you and cudder are the only ones. that mixtape is still messy and unfocused.
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