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GAF-Hop |OT8| Let Blackace Down
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They do not count albums that sell for that cheap. So even if that did happen, he wouldn't even be considered for diamond status.
I think they've explained pretty well why.
a handful and thats the problem. risk vs return. this is a very bad precedent. it means that you no longer have to worry about return on artist investment. you know before jay-z goes into the studio that they have a guaranteed return. you dont have to spend a dime on marketing, because samsung is going to do it all for you.
your choice becomes smaller and smaller. can i find what i like? sure. but these artists will never be more than bandcamp artists in this future. and lets be honest. most want to hit it big, so why even bother to make music, when you know that you will never make it. it will choke off creativity.
for the record, i worked a&r at koch, and have seen this first hand. when i was there, it was literally one chosen out of thousands. taking on an artist is a big financial risk. now imagine if you have a choice. money upfront with guaranteed record sales on an established artist, or years of spending money, nurturing, hoping they hit it big. this is bad. artist development will disappear.
ets be real, if anything over the past 48 months has been true, it's that labels dont promote or support young artists anyway. The cats who have succeeded with the mainstream; Drake, Rocky, Cole, Kendrick... Have all more or less put themselves on.
You gotta be self made in this era, period. Thats really been true for years and years and years now. Yet the underground is still flourishing.
You gotta be self made in this era, period. Thats really been true for years and years and years now. Yet the underground is still flourishing.
but currently there is an avenue to make it big. this avenue will shrink, become fiercely competitive and eventually die. we are seeing this with video games, movies, etc.
Yeah and in both of those industries the majors are headed directly, of their own volition, right into the grave. The console industry and blockbusters will die, and get replaced with self published indies and smaller, leaner efforts. We may lose some grandiosity, but i'm fine with it, it'll ultimately result in more consumer choice and better pricing.
The same is true with music. It already happened with books and comics, big publishing houses pared down to nothing.
Bring it on.
Is the limit $5? I'm sure if Jimmy Iovine leans on them that story will change as well, as long as the big execs want it the riaa will bend.
trent reznor is a perfect example. went indie, released albums, saw no return. only made money on tours, but that funding is only coming from outside investors, and his own pocket. it eventually becomes not worth the hassle and cost, and he had to go crawling back to a major to make it profitable for him. and hes a pretty big name. radiohead did the same thing. its just not worth the financial risk to do it on your own.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Jay just took a curry induced shit from the 12th floor on Yeezus god damn.
On my 4th listen now. Listened to Yeezus twice before it became stale.
Kanye needs an album where he isn't in complete creative control, look at WTT. People complained about Jays influence on that. But WTT was miles better than this Yeezus bullshit.
On my 4th listen now. Listened to Yeezus twice before it became stale.
Kanye needs an album where he isn't in complete creative control, look at WTT. People complained about Jays influence on that. But WTT was miles better than this Yeezus bullshit.
$3.50 iirc
Obviously there are exceptions but a hip-hop tour budget is a fraction of that of a Radiohead or NIN tour.
A DJ and a laptop doesn't cost as much as a full band setup.
Kanye carried Jay through WTT what are you talking about. Conceptually, sonically- that was all Kanye.
And re: Yeezus, that's fine to think that, but creative control isn't the problem. Jays album shows no vision or concept. At least Yeezus is pure Kanye coming thru.
What Peterb0y said, and you're dead wrong about MCHG, the producers carried and put him on an IV and he still sounds lifeless.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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No vision or concept? Its a Jay album, its what is generally expected from a Jay-Z album. Kanye just tried too hard to be artsy or whatever the fuck he was doing.
On songs like Blood on The Leaves or Hold My Liquor it shows he can do these type of songs well. Because they are great really, but overall the album was terrible.
If thats pure Kanye he can keep his music. I think with the right exec. producer to keep Kanye from way too far out he can make a decent album. He needs a balance between his crazy art side and his rap music side.
MCHG is twice the album Yeezus is though. Yeezus has a vision and a concept, nut they are executed horribly.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Is The Orange Box worth picking up for 5 on live? Not really a PC dude and never played the Half Life games
get it on pc if you can. i know youre not a pc dude, but i think it had problems on console.
CountBlack
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I just got some really bad news..
fuck cancer man..
fuck cancer man..
what? you or someone you know?
https://soundcloud.com/wiroks/bound-3-charlie-wilson-edit
whoever made this edit of bound 2 needs props.
whoever made this edit of bound 2 needs props.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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It happens to all of us man. Chin up, It'll pass sooner than you think.
Damn man sorry to hear this, been there before. A really important part of it is positive thinking. Thoughts are with you an yours.
CountBlack
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Grandma.
Damn thought it was you. I lost 2 grandparents to cancer man. Shit is rough- you gotta be there for them.
sucks dude. same news with my mother earlier this year. stay positive. it will help.
PhoenixDark
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Rastafarian42
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Sorry to hear about that I lost two cousins and a aunt in a span of two years due to cancer keep ya head up man.
Rastafarian42
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It's alright try to enjoy your weekend the best you can man.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
'cast, get drunk and go to the fireworks and pickup on some rebound chica and nut on her face right as the finale begins.
You'll feel better.
You'll feel better.
Venues big enough to warrant a corporate sponsor owner, like your centers, stadiums, and pavilions only host big artists like Jay, Kanye, and Drake. Popular artists will continue to sell thousands and everyone else will continue to perform in your clubs and bars. And I don't see Pepsi, Microsoft, etc. buying up smaller venues just to host their up and coming artists. And do venues have the flexibility to be selective with performers where the venue can be profitable?
So what if Pepsi owned Coachella? Other festivals, without exclusive sponsorship, can and will take Coachella's place that can bring a wide enough range of artists on Coachella's level.
Worst case scenario I can see happening is labels adding a clause in an artist's contract where the artists can only perform in sanctioned venues. That would be horrible but that's imposing on an artist's main income so I don't see that happening. It would suck if it did though.
Sucks to hear for both of y'all
Keep your head up and try your hardest to stay in a constructive mind state.
silentcapybara
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My condolences to both of you, 'cast and Count. Dreary Independence Day.
if you only had a couple of labels to sign with, and they all did they same thing, your kinda fucked.
i think PP's scenario is the most likely in the near future, since we sort of see it today. Jay-Z's next album will be exclusive to Samsung. want the album? buy our phone. of course you have piracy, blah, blah, blah. this can only get worse as the corporations get bigger and control more of the market and power.
hell, look at canada. we have basically 2 companies controlling most of the entertainment up here. trust me. you do not want to live in this scenario. its horrible.
It was made for times like these.
Work on something, your image, new job, personality, anything. Just upgrade yourself until you don't miss her.
4th Chamber
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Haha I'm not a big Jay fan and this is the only song I'll keep in rotation.
That's my favourite as well, dat beat so good.
I just listened to the album twice, then went and listened to Hold My Liquor and it's just like I can't go back again now. Saturday night I guess.
TnA w/ bonus legit good too.
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