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GAF-Hop |OTXI| Five Year Nation
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Storm Chamber
Banned
Pretty much.
BeatResetsTheWorld
Banned
Not to mention how can people not give Lupe credit for the super ambitious and unique concept he made with his creation from the character Michael Young on F&L to The Cool, and the introduction of The Streets and The Game. I'm bummed we didn't have LupEND to finish it off
smh
smh
Storm Chamber
Banned
MorisUkunRasik
Member
GKMC is better than all of Lupe's catalogue. It's not even funny.
Section 80 is better than The Cool.
Section 80 is better than The Cool.
You right, because yall convinced
The Cool isn't a #classic bro.
Perfectly put. I find him eye rollingly heavy handed as a writer, corny in delivery, and not that great at picking beats basically. Plus there's the fixation on nerd shit like comic books and shit; i don't have time for that. Really Lupe is and always was a wacker extension of the sound and culture coming out from Rawkus and early Kanye. It's just that he was a young talent seen as carrying the torch. He was always trying waaaay too hard. That's what I like about Kendrick. Even when he digs deeper to preach a little, it has an effortless, non-judgmental feel to it, which is pretty impressive given how much of a Jesus freak we know he is.
facts only
I think Lupe's verse writing is actually pretty great....He has a strong allegorical game and is capable of seem really intricate rhyme schemes. He lacks the bravado, delivery, and production to really convey the immediacy of what he raps or highlight the sporadic nuggets of insight in which he's occasionally capable. Maybe he should become a ghostwriter.
The FBZ/Underachievers would have better with shorter more condensed verses maybe featuring some actual collaborative back and forth. The production is really nice though
Pickles the Firecat
Banned
Why should we credit his ambition when the product was wack? Ambition only matters if you fulfill some portion of it. More importantly, his ambitions were set on some stupid ass ideas. Making grand, sweeping concepts regarding the state of the world that are:
1. Self serving and narcissistic ("Everyone is dumb, listen to me, only I can save this shit")
2. Stupid. Like 70% of the shit Lupe says is just dumb. His opinions on foreign policy are dumb. His opinions on local, national, and global politics are generalized and nonspecific. They contribute nothing. He is a dumb individual that doesn't realize how uninformed he is.
3. Uninteresting. Lupe is kind of real fucking boring because he spends five minutes on a track without ever properly accomplishing anything other than jerking off to his own self importance.
BeatResetsTheWorld
Banned
Bet you had "No Make-up" on repeat
Storm Chamber
Banned
GKMC aint either but yall wont admit it until he flops
actually, i stated in this very topic that that's the worst Kendrick song ever made. scroll back a couple pages and it's there.
yeesh
Pickles the Firecat
Banned
I think he has the makings of a good writer, but he focuses too much on topics he can't get in depth about. So he has all this filler, all these descriptions and wordplays and complex rhyme schemes, that are ultimately diversions from the fact that he can't elaborate on the ideas he wants to. If he worked exclusively on shit he LOVED and knew about intimately I agree, that potential might be realized. That's where the urgency you mention is missing would shine through. Without it, he's just talking in circles. Thus the danger of not knowing how dumb you are before putting pen to paper.
One song vs. almost an entire discography. The Cool is only solid because of its production and him being less obnoxious.
This is spot on.
BeatResetsTheWorld
Banned
EVERY rapper is narcissistic. I can hardly find a rapper that hasn't hyped himself up and called everyone else weak in some way
Then don't listen to the stuff he says when he isn't rapping. I don't judge Kanye's music over the dumb shit he says all the time, and F&L and The Cool weren't that political like some of the tracks on Lasers and most of F&L2 were. I do agree, those were a bit heavy handed
Completely subjective *shrugs*. If you think he does, I probably won't change your mind, but I haven't really found much "filler" in his songs. Most of the stuff he says has some purpose even if it's just for the mental imagery
Yeah, but Lupe's whole discography isn't preachy. Not even close to being. The only song on F&L even close to being so was maybe American Terrorist
I think he already is a ghost writer. It would not surprise me in the slightest if he'd pushed Kanye's pen along with Consequence at one point. Lupe is a good writer but i dock him a lot of points for a lot of the things Pickles is talking about, plus I think he's not very.... concise? He is a real writer for sure but I find him often suffering from song concept drift and overextending metaphors and stuff a bit.
Storm Chamber
Banned
That entire album was based off a single song on F&L...overthought is an understatement.
Still goes hard though
MorisUkunRasik
Member
Don't know what gives you that idea. Section 80 was 5th overall for gaf-hops AOTY.
CountBlack
Member
lupe's verse on touch the sky is trash
That was a really damn strong year too. Krit work, covert coup, etc etc.
I voted it my AotY 2011. I would take that back now, because it would have to go to XXX or Cover Coup instead, but man i really did love Section 80. I think i love it more than GKMC.
Hope springs eternal.
Not even gonna listen once
The evolution of the weed carrier.
King Kendrick gets a single announced and GAF-Hop loses their minds. Future GOAT.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
Around 5 or 6 is where it deserves that year I think, right behind Oneirology, XXX, Covert Coup, Return of 4Eva and maybe Black Up
some of the results are kinda....well see for yourself.
PhoenixDark
Banned
spindashing
Banned
Fun fact, that song is probably one of my most played tracks during highschool. Was so mind blown, "Yo, a rapper name dropped Lupin III... Holy shit who is this guy???"
Later, I turned into a stan. Then, a few years later I went through the Kübler-Ross model.
Kind of a dumb question on my part but does TDE sink or swim based on what Kendrick drops next? I thought Oxy and These Days were alright, but I can't help but feel like all this is becoming something like A$AP Mob putting LORD on the backburner for Rocky's next drop first. Maybe the comparison is dumb, idk feels like TDE bank a lot of their hype on his shoulders. Maybe I'm just overestimated his importance.
Yeah. 2011 was great too.
No Count, no.
Hmm. I'm surprised you liked it more than GKMC. But damn, 2011 brehs.
4eva, Oneirology, S.80, XXX, LLA, Black Up, Covert Coup, Sucker for Pumps, Setbacks, Action coming out of nowhere. :wow:
Sounds about right, though Q did some good numbers regardless of what I thought about the release. Cilvia doing ten K without any promo is also a good omen. He needs to get on the radio though.
Pickles the Firecat
Banned
If Kendrick releases anything less than a great album people will start talking about TDE itself being the problem. Of Q, Soulo, Rock, and Kendrick only Kendrick has lived up to his potential. The others have shown glimpses and demonstrated great ability...but none of them have gotten there in full. And the entire crew has noticeably regressed from where they were last year and in 2012 as musicians. Maybe Rock is a slight exception.
Were SZA and Rashad, the two best records out of TDE this year, even full TDE releases? Like wasn't a lot of their material done before signing?
At a certain point it starts to look like management is fucking up their roster in some way. That being said I have faith in Kendricks album and I didn't hate Oxy.
CountBlack
Member
Zero Heroes being that far into the list is a crime
The Artful Dodger
Member
Rock just seemed to get the short end of the stick in the whole TDE situation.
That dude seems to be doing it to himself. He could have dropped a project easily in the past two years.
IrishNinja
Member
preach
last 5 pages featured saigon & gambino, anything can happen now
you're gonna get taken off some christmas card lists for shitting on rush, but history will vindicate your stance
ahahaha that's awesome
i distinctly remember going out for drinks with an old friend who was on some MESSIAH LUPE GON SAVE HIP HOPS and since that era was kinda booty for me, i gave both cool and F&L a spin,and...shit must've been like post-attitude era for wrestling fans. sure CM Punk wasn't overly exciting but in john cena's world i guess he passes for interesting, but nothing more than that
pickles breaking shit down to molecules here, and from his notes i've gathered that the majority element of composition is basura
seriously, i loved the shit out of that song in like '05 i wanna say (big mayfield fan) and i'd just learn to skip it when he kicked in...it's like jigga's the bounce when ye's verse drops, ironically
MorisUkunRasik
Member
Yea, should be much lower.
Storm Chamber
Banned
I still need to give a lot of Danny's music a proper listen.
Not gonna lie, I first saw the dude and wanted nothing to do with him until I heard Guitar Solo, Outer space, and that joint from the Iron Fists soundtrack.
Dude can really spit and take you on a wild ass ride at the same time.
And I'd put him before Kendrick too.
Rastafarian42
Member
2011 was such a great year still listen to allot of the projects on the list.
I know everyone is going to shit on me but Road Til The Casket Drops is an underrated tape. Clipse were pretty good.
Numb It Down
Numb It Down
The Cool is really solid but F&L is certified classic status in my eyes...even the tracks that got cut because of the early leak are fire: Ghetto Story
Not getting into a debate about Danny/Kendrick. Just saying he stated he barely listened to Danny and still thinks it's better than section 80.
Naw. He's saying he's like CM Punk. He seemed good cause he was during John Cena's era.
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