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GAF Madden 2005 Season 2 Online League: Because Halo 2 can't last forever!
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Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
That truly was messed up CK.
You manually controlled Stranhan and rushed in everytime around my computer lineman to try to sack Boller...we had made that a rule at the start of the season and it wasnt to be allowed.
I then went to a 4 wide out *which is allowed* to have a chance against you doing that while in quarter formation,which is why my guys were wide open.I scored and then you im'ed me saying that was cheese,so I told you what you were doing wasnt allowed.
I then decided to not run the 4 wideout the rest of the game,yet you continued to play the line that way.
Dm,told me you played that way against him too.I'm sorry you're stuck with the Giants but that was pretty cheap to resort to that after it was made known it wasnt allowed.
You know how easy it is to manually rush like that against the computer linemen,which is why I dont understand why you have started playing that way.Our first game you didnt do that...but whatever,you got the win,I just think you went about getting it in a messed up way.
You manually controlled Stranhan and rushed in everytime around my computer lineman to try to sack Boller...we had made that a rule at the start of the season and it wasnt to be allowed.
I then went to a 4 wide out *which is allowed* to have a chance against you doing that while in quarter formation,which is why my guys were wide open.I scored and then you im'ed me saying that was cheese,so I told you what you were doing wasnt allowed.
I then decided to not run the 4 wideout the rest of the game,yet you continued to play the line that way.
Dm,told me you played that way against him too.I'm sorry you're stuck with the Giants but that was pretty cheap to resort to that after it was made known it wasnt allowed.
You know how easy it is to manually rush like that against the computer linemen,which is why I dont understand why you have started playing that way.Our first game you didnt do that...but whatever,you got the win,I just think you went about getting it in a messed up way.
DJ Demon J
Banned
Matrix said:
So that's why Strahan always gets in to crush Ramsey.
I only use d-line spreads (L trigger+Up/Down/Left/Right), and I never move the lineman manually before the snap....so whatever pass rush/sacks I get are due to my own hard work (and good/lucky playcalling). I figured I was getting sacked a lot because I took too long in the pocket, and when I started this season I did....but I've stopped since, and if this is how people are gonna playcall (zone formations, double covering slot receivers and manually moving one lineman before the snap and then blitzing, well, that's just weaksauce. :/
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Its odd cause Ck has never played like that before against me..maybe he was pissed about the last game we played,I cant read his mind.
I just know that manually controlling players like that wasnt to be allowed cause you can easily blow by and either sack the QB or put insane pressure on him.It's not like I was using Vick,Boller is slow as hell and cant get away from Strahan *sigh*
Also plenty of people can stop 4 wide out,I didnt know that was cheese..I wasnt putting my HB in motion and I wasnt calling audibles.
Ck,wasnt moving Strahan before the snap *maybe he was,it all happend so fast..like a blur
*,he would just take control right after I snapped the ball and easily ran right around my lineman,shit he was even able to get around when I used the HB as an extra blocker.
I just know that manually controlling players like that wasnt to be allowed cause you can easily blow by and either sack the QB or put insane pressure on him.It's not like I was using Vick,Boller is slow as hell and cant get away from Strahan *sigh*
Also plenty of people can stop 4 wide out,I didnt know that was cheese..I wasnt putting my HB in motion and I wasnt calling audibles.
Ck,wasnt moving Strahan before the snap *maybe he was,it all happend so fast..like a blur
*,he would just take control right after I snapped the ball and easily ran right around my lineman,shit he was even able to get around when I used the HB as an extra blocker.Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Matrix said:
That is not a rule. This is not ESPN. At the beginning we said you cannot manually blitz the line with an LB or a DB. In fact I verified the rule with FMT immediately after our game.
The ease of rushing against computer controlled linemen is BS. My team got three sacks in that game total, two of them came in your final drive, one by my DT, the other by my RE. I don't recall where the other sack came from, but I am pretty sure it came from a blitzing LB that I did not control on a designed play. In fact look at my team's sacking statistic. I am not at the top, or even near it, which I would be if it was a cheeseball move.
I will stop using the DE if it really is a problem, but why are you the first to even mention it? I've always used the DE in every defensive play of every game of Madden since Madden '95. That's across all the tournaments in Madden 2004 and 2005, and a season and a half in '05. I never played like that against you recently because you ran so much. When you became pass happy I spread the line for a better rush. I did the same against you when you used the Texans and we would play.
As for the four wide bunch cheese, it is cheese and you know it. In fact we had a lengthy discussion of it with diagrams courtesy of Miguel.
No I am not 'stuck' with the Giants. As you can see, though they are a shitty team, I can make the most of them. What burns me up is that I design a gameplan after lots of examination and study of the Ravens to basically create an offense for myself and to stop your running game, then you reserve to cheese to get you back into the game at 21-10 (Of course, my four ints help), and then you have the audacity to say that I am in the wrong with a tactic I have been using ever since before I even began playing with GAF.
If it really is that bad, and DM (who I play next) takes exception to it, I will stop using the DE. But keep in mind that that is a major part of my gameplan for both run stopping and pass rush. Or how about this, I don't sub in Strahan.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
http://www.ga-forum.com/showpost.php?p=495006&postcount=308
There is Miguel's post outlining it.
If you want to take a look at the discussion around it, here it is: http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=16969&page=4&pp=100
I'm not making this up. Heck you even posted on the subject.
There is Miguel's post outlining it.
If you want to take a look at the discussion around it, here it is: http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=16969&page=4&pp=100
I'm not making this up. Heck you even posted on the subject.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
well dudes i dont know what to say other than the only thing the majority had a problem with was manual blitzing of CB's/LB's. i know a few people in league use DT/DE's to rush in and i have no problems with it. people spread the d-line out wide a lot and i dont have a problem with it. people run 4-wide posts and i dont have a problem with it (mostly because i play LB and manually stop it anyways)
if more people have a problem with d-line play then we'll look at it, but i think it is pretty easy to stop. but guys like simeon rice and michael strahan DO cause havoc and require you to keep a TE to block in. i also think that in 4-wide instances, if you have time to throw on 4 wide in real life you are going to complete it. the key is when to blitz and how many people to blitz. but if people have problems w/ 4 wide also then we'll examine that too. lets relax dudes, we're all pals here and we can fix these problems without fighting
if more people have a problem with d-line play then we'll look at it, but i think it is pretty easy to stop. but guys like simeon rice and michael strahan DO cause havoc and require you to keep a TE to block in. i also think that in 4-wide instances, if you have time to throw on 4 wide in real life you are going to complete it. the key is when to blitz and how many people to blitz. but if people have problems w/ 4 wide also then we'll examine that too. lets relax dudes, we're all pals here and we can fix these problems without fighting
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Wtf I did not run the same play that Mig wrote up that was cheese? :\ Ive ran the 4 out play everygame against Fmt,Dm,HG,Ram ect ect and they have stopped it and havent even mentioned it being cheese.I recall that play Mig wrote up had the HB in motion and running straight down the middle of the field,which in turn always left a man open.
So basically I cant call a play with 4 wide recievers but you can manually control a super fast DE and rush bye my dumb ass OL and put pressure on the QB every time,if I didnt scamble a hundred times you would have had double digit sacks...Dm,was giving me tips to get around it while we were playing.
Why didnt you play like that the last time we played? Also DM told me you did that to him in the last game you played against him and he felt it was bs.
I think you're a heck of a player CK and I respect that you use the Giants,I did use the Texans last season so I know whats its like to play with garbage,but please dont tell me you played that style against me last game.
Now that I know we can use DE like that I will make sure to use it against people....I figured it was not allowed cause its practically like a manual blitz.
EDIT- looking at that play MIG posted,I didnt run that one.If I had a pic of it in front of me I would show you,Ravens dont have that play in their playbook or I havent seen it....The Texans have that.
PS- I'm not really mad at CK,im just truly confused on whats allowed and whats not allowed.
So basically I cant call a play with 4 wide recievers but you can manually control a super fast DE and rush bye my dumb ass OL and put pressure on the QB every time,if I didnt scamble a hundred times you would have had double digit sacks...Dm,was giving me tips to get around it while we were playing.
Why didnt you play like that the last time we played? Also DM told me you did that to him in the last game you played against him and he felt it was bs.
I think you're a heck of a player CK and I respect that you use the Giants,I did use the Texans last season so I know whats its like to play with garbage,but please dont tell me you played that style against me last game.
Now that I know we can use DE like that I will make sure to use it against people....I figured it was not allowed cause its practically like a manual blitz.
EDIT- looking at that play MIG posted,I didnt run that one.If I had a pic of it in front of me I would show you,Ravens dont have that play in their playbook or I havent seen it....The Texans have that.
PS- I'm not really mad at CK,im just truly confused on whats allowed and whats not allowed.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
at first we didn't have anything "banned" in madden. then it was discovered that manually blitzing CB's or LB's was ridiculous because you could get them outside of the TE even for a free sack. maybe i'm not understanding what ck was doing. he was just controlling strahan and rushing you or was he pulling him off the LOS? if he was pulling him off the LOS thats not allowed. otherwise its fair game. like i said above i have to deal with simeon rice whenever i play dm, strahan when i play CK, hugh douglas when i play gunstar, etc. they are all a bitch to stop, but they can be stopped with the help of a TE to chip and some quick slant/out patterns.
i'm not siding with anyone for shit, i know you are both legit players and i've never had a problem with the way either of you play. so, aside from that i say we can deal with anything that comes up.
i'm not siding with anyone for shit, i know you are both legit players and i've never had a problem with the way either of you play. so, aside from that i say we can deal with anything that comes up.
Now for some good news: I beat DM.
I needed the win...so badly. I played my best game with the Colts. I withstood bad luck in the first (we're even on QB sack fumbles though ) and won a nail biter in the 4th quarter. It was a well played game by both of us. I'd like to thank Matrix for telling me not to use Doss any more, because it just made my practice harder, and the end result was tonight's 3 user picks with my boy MS-DOSS. Great game DM...I really needed this.
I needed the win...so badly. I played my best game with the Colts. I withstood bad luck in the first (we're even on QB sack fumbles though
) and won a nail biter in the 4th quarter. It was a well played game by both of us. I'd like to thank Matrix for telling me not to use Doss any more, because it just made my practice harder, and the end result was tonight's 3 user picks with my boy MS-DOSS. Great game DM...I really needed this.Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
No he wasnt pulling him off the line of scrimage,as far as I can tell.The thing is I think only a couple of times my TE or HB would hold him back when I used them to block,it was like he would just explode right through them or run around them.Now that I know we can play DE like that,he was playing legit,it just felt like a manual blitz because it was always Strahan and even with blocking he was practically on top of Boller every time...would have been sacks if I didnt run Bollers slow ass out of the pocket.Sorry If I ticked you off Ck,its just you truly didnt play that way our first game and I honestly didnt know we could use DE like that.
Now can someone explain to me the way were are allowed to pass in this game? Ram bitchs about slants,other people bitch about 4 wides..I just dont get it.
Now can someone explain to me the way were are allowed to pass in this game? Ram bitchs about slants,other people bitch about 4 wides..I just dont get it.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Fifty said:Now for some good news: I beat DM.
I needed the win...so badly. I played my best game with the Colts. I withstood bad luck in the first (we're even on QB sack fumbles though
@#&K :lol
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
How often do we even play each other? Last time we did play these our your playcalling stats:
Today your playcalling stats:
Why, if you are running less than 20% of the time, should I not spread my line to get them in better pass rush position? I don't think I am at fault for your passing plays that predictably took over 4 seconds to develop, more than enough time to get pressure on the rush.
If it really is that frustrating, then I won't use the DE, or, I won't sub in Strahan. But then you know what, you can't use Ray Lewis, Fifty can't use Freeney, DM can't use Brooks or Rice, Gunstar can't use Kearse, DJ can't use Arrington, HG can't use Coakley or Williams, Ramirez can't use Kearny, Dskillz can't use Stroud, and FMT can't use Abraham.
Don't get me wrong, it was a heck of a game and I am not mad at you, it's just that I figured it was an unspoken rule that we would not use the play that Mig drew up or similar plays, and I figured it was okay for me to use my best defensive player in whatever capacity I deemed fair.
I am willing to cooperate so whatever decision FMT, DM, and/or Fifty make I will abide by.
Edit: Strahan on a TE or an RB? Just hold B and he will likely just push them over... just like in real life...
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Statistics Wellie matrixadw
Rushing attempts for 10 24
Rushing yards for 28 177
Passing attempts for 20 10
Passing yards for 49 100Today your playcalling stats:
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Statistics Wellie matrixadw
Rushing attempts for 38 6
Rushing yards for 213 23
Passing attempts for 25 28
Passing yards for 239 172Why, if you are running less than 20% of the time, should I not spread my line to get them in better pass rush position? I don't think I am at fault for your passing plays that predictably took over 4 seconds to develop, more than enough time to get pressure on the rush.
If it really is that frustrating, then I won't use the DE, or, I won't sub in Strahan. But then you know what, you can't use Ray Lewis, Fifty can't use Freeney, DM can't use Brooks or Rice, Gunstar can't use Kearse, DJ can't use Arrington, HG can't use Coakley or Williams, Ramirez can't use Kearny, Dskillz can't use Stroud, and FMT can't use Abraham.
Don't get me wrong, it was a heck of a game and I am not mad at you, it's just that I figured it was an unspoken rule that we would not use the play that Mig drew up or similar plays, and I figured it was okay for me to use my best defensive player in whatever capacity I deemed fair.
I am willing to cooperate so whatever decision FMT, DM, and/or Fifty make I will abide by.
Edit: Strahan on a TE or an RB? Just hold B and he will likely just push them over... just like in real life...
I always seem to get burnt when an inside WR in 4 wide runs an inside post. The safety covers the main (1 or 2) WR who is running a streak, and it leaves the slot guys open for one on one, and he almost always beats his DB. I don't want that banned, but if I had to give one example that just makes me say "DAMN" time after time, that play would be it.
I don't think there's anything wrong with controlling an end. I think it is easier, because there's no risk, but it is very much legit...unless you're moving before the snap outside the tackle manually. 4 wide....well, matrix uses the ravens in exhibition and runs and guns with boller against me. It's enough to make a grown man cry. I think neither should be banned, but running and gunning with the ravens pisses me off more.
I don't think there's anything wrong with controlling an end. I think it is easier, because there's no risk, but it is very much legit...unless you're moving before the snap outside the tackle manually. 4 wide....well, matrix uses the ravens in exhibition and runs and guns with boller against me. It's enough to make a grown man cry. I think neither should be banned, but running and gunning with the ravens pisses me off more.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
well guys its not so much about what is "banned", but about how to play it properly. i personally HATE the 4-wide play that mig diagramed where you have each slot receiver running an outside post. not saying you were running that, but thats just an example.
but even in that instance it is stoppable. the play i use against those plays are a cover 4 out of quarters. the slot guys in the 4 wide are played man to man, while the 2 starting CB's and the safeties do a straight drop back. you should bump the slot receivers (they will be played man to man anyways), and if your opponent tries to go over the top on you, you have your CB's dropping straight back into a zone anyways so they are near by. this isn't a 100% fix, but i've had success. here are some good rules and tips regarding pass defense:
1. NEVER EVER EVER play Cover 2 zone against 3-wide. infact, don't even play it against 2-wide to one side (2 WR's on one side). the reason being is that the slot receiver is basically unaccounted for as the play progresses. he can slip between the lb's, or take it toward the sideline and no one is assigned to that zone. so stay away from it.
2. DO play cover 2 zone if people are dinking and dunking on you, or using lots of half back flat passes. they will be picked in due time.
3. you can assign bumping/playing off on an individual basis. for instance, in 4 wide situations i like to bump the slot receivers, but NOT bump the outside receivers. lets say the slot receivers are buttons L and buttons A. to bump the slot, and ONLY the slot receivers, do as follows: Hit Y, Hit L, push down on the D-pad. L is now going to be bumped. Hit Y, Hit A, push down on the D-pad. A is now going to be bumped. all the while the outside receivers are not being bumped. there are many combos you can use, go to practice mode and experiment with all the zones and man styles you can run on the fly.
but even in that instance it is stoppable. the play i use against those plays are a cover 4 out of quarters. the slot guys in the 4 wide are played man to man, while the 2 starting CB's and the safeties do a straight drop back. you should bump the slot receivers (they will be played man to man anyways), and if your opponent tries to go over the top on you, you have your CB's dropping straight back into a zone anyways so they are near by. this isn't a 100% fix, but i've had success. here are some good rules and tips regarding pass defense:
1. NEVER EVER EVER play Cover 2 zone against 3-wide. infact, don't even play it against 2-wide to one side (2 WR's on one side). the reason being is that the slot receiver is basically unaccounted for as the play progresses. he can slip between the lb's, or take it toward the sideline and no one is assigned to that zone. so stay away from it.
2. DO play cover 2 zone if people are dinking and dunking on you, or using lots of half back flat passes. they will be picked in due time.
3. you can assign bumping/playing off on an individual basis. for instance, in 4 wide situations i like to bump the slot receivers, but NOT bump the outside receivers. lets say the slot receivers are buttons L and buttons A. to bump the slot, and ONLY the slot receivers, do as follows: Hit Y, Hit L, push down on the D-pad. L is now going to be bumped. Hit Y, Hit A, push down on the D-pad. A is now going to be bumped. all the while the outside receivers are not being bumped. there are many combos you can use, go to practice mode and experiment with all the zones and man styles you can run on the fly.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
These are DM's stats when he played against me and said it was a cheesy tactic:
More than a half dozen of those 18 rushing attempts from DM came after he took the lead in the final quarter.
These are Fifty's stats from our last game in which I played the same style, got three sacks (one at the end by my DT, the others I don't remember). Not only that, but Fifty hasn't complained:
I've had to play the pass in my last three league games, of course I am going to get good at it.
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Statistics Wellie DMczaf
Rushing attempts for 21 18
Rushing yards for 79 34
Passing attempts for 21 32
Passing yards for 69 275More than a half dozen of those 18 rushing attempts from DM came after he took the lead in the final quarter.
These are Fifty's stats from our last game in which I played the same style, got three sacks (one at the end by my DT, the others I don't remember). Not only that, but Fifty hasn't complained:
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Statistics Wellie Che Guevara
Rushing attempts for 35 11
Rushing yards for 101 20
Passing attempts for 27 32
Passing yards for 223 289I've had to play the pass in my last three league games, of course I am going to get good at it.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Ck I truly did not use that play the Mig posted...
I only went pass crazy like that cause at the time I didnt think what you were doing was legit and I let my stupid anger get the best of me...I always end up not playing to my strengths,which of course if rushing with the Lewis.
Will someone just please tell me wtf is legit to throw in this game?
I only went pass crazy like that cause at the time I didnt think what you were doing was legit and I let my stupid anger get the best of me...I always end up not playing to my strengths,which of course if rushing with the Lewis.
Will someone just please tell me wtf is legit to throw in this game?
DJ Demon J
Banned
Wellington said:
I've seen people in this league (can't remember which games--all the losses start to blur in my head
) manually move DEs after spreading the D-line wide to get that extra edge to get around the outside offensive end. It works extremely well, and guarantees a sack unless you've got Vick, Manning or Roethlisberger. Ramsey's got no feet, so I'm screwed if this happens and it forces me to either pull Portis on a hot block or hot route the TE on a slant in. Which, I wouldn't mind doing if it was from normal pass rush pressure (just spreading the line wide), but since the offensive line AI in Madden (and ESPN) never seems to respond to manual adjustments.....IMHO if it already isn't a rule to not allow manual movement of the DEs other than spreads/crash-ins/shifts, then it should be.Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Matrix said:
Go ahead and throw whatever you want, I shouldn't have said anything to begin with.
DJ Demon J
Banned
So are we doing a Season 3 after this season is over? Now that I've had more experience and figured out (mostly) what works and what doesn't, I'd like a fresh slate to try and make a better run at the playoffs. Is everyone here still up for another season?
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
"I don't think there's anything wrong with controlling an end. I think it is easier, because there's no risk, but it is very much legit...unless you're moving before the snap outside the tackle manually. 4 wide....well, matrix uses the ravens in exhibition and runs and guns with boller against me. It's enough to make a grown man cry. I think neither should be banned, but running and gunning with the ravens pisses me off more."
See what I dont get is I can do that against you but I play anyone else and the Ravens passing game is complete garbage..I think you're cursed for not picking your team.
CK..I dont want to throw passes that are not allowed in the league.I believe I have played legit with the Ravens so far,other than abusing the poor Colts secondary,but if im truly not playing right I would like everyone to mention it during the game or after.
See what I dont get is I can do that against you but I play anyone else and the Ravens passing game is complete garbage..I think you're cursed for not picking your team.
CK..I dont want to throw passes that are not allowed in the league.I believe I have played legit with the Ravens so far,other than abusing the poor Colts secondary,but if im truly not playing right I would like everyone to mention it during the game or after.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
premium pass doesn't "expire" until next august. infact, you can now sign up for the premium pass w/o a credit card. so there are no worries
p.s. yes there will be a season 3, and odds are there will be 16 teams this time (unless someone leaves)
p.s. yes there will be a season 3, and odds are there will be 16 teams this time (unless someone leaves)
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
That's just it and what I meant. No passes are inherently not allowed, so you can throw whatever you want. I shouldn't have allowed the 4-5 seconds that it takes for the play to develop in the first place. Which brings even more into question the 'cheese' of rushing with Strahan if I can't even create that pressure.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
there are no "illegal" passes. but please stay away from Double Slot post plays to the outside and keeping the RB in to block (see migs post). other than that, throw what you want
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
you got $20 comin your way real soon mig put it toward an xbox! join season 3
put it toward an xbox! join season 3 Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Miguel said:and we're back to this. :lol
Too bad I'm too much of a cheapass to buy an xdode. That and if I were to buy it, I'd probably have to walk everywhere for the next 6 months cause I'd be out of gas money.
I'd school you all with Domanick and AJ anyway.
Trade in your ps2!
FrenchMovieTheme said:
The best part about all of this talk is that I have no freakin clue what any of you are talking about. :lol
I know I can't fake a safety blitz, and that when I throw the ball the other team catches it, and that if I miss a game Matrix will yell at me. :lol Other than that......no clue.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
ga online leagues > frequency + amplitude
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
So, can I use Michael Strahan as my player controlled athlete? I need to know because I plan on preliminary defensive planning for DM tonight.
Here is my case as to why I should be allowed to use Strahan.
The main issue that Matrix raised is the pressure that I had been getting on him, saying that I did not play like that before, and DM agreed, and even added that my playstyle is BS. Let me examine the statistics behind their claim using EA's own stat page which we can all reference. I will assume that each stat is mutually exclusive (If I get a knockdown it's a knockdown and not a hurry, if I get a sack it's not a knockdown or a hurry).
Last night's game with Matrix saw these statistics for play calling as I posted above:
Notice he has three more passing plays than I do, and his percentage of running plays overall was less than 20%, so I played the pass for every possession after the first quarter. Here are the pressure stats:
Matrix
A total of 10 instances of pressure, and as I mentioned last night, two of the sacks came in his final drive when he was trying to gun it downfield. Here are my pressure stats:
Wellie
A total of nine instances of pressure spread throughout the whole game. Just like Matrix kept extra blockers in to fend off my line, I was holding in extra blockers to fend off his LBs.
He says I had not played like that before, here are the stats for our game earlier this season:
Matrix
Wellie
Of course, four pressure situations in 10 plays is actually pretty good, but he had the same ratio with eight pressure situations in 20 pass plays. The 40% pressure ratio is even better than the 35% I had last night against him.
DM, the other guy in this picture, saying that my playstyle is BS did this against me.
Wellie
DMczaf
With 11 less passing plays DM manages to double the amount of pressure situations on me that I can put him into. Not only that, but on Saturday DM was saying that the way he would beat me when I tried the bump and run was to hold onto the ball longer so that his guys can get open. And yet in 32 tries I managed to pressure him a quarter of it... and he says my play style is BS?
I think what is happening here is that due to my unexpectedly bad performance last year, my opponents expect me to be a push over. Now that I am not, they need an excuse. The facts and stats are all here.
Let's look at the first game between DM and myself. I called 38 passing plays, he called 46.
DMczaf
Wellie
28 out of my 38 passing attempts were met with pressure, 16 of his 46 were met with pressure. I really do believe that for something to be called BS, it needs to give me some sort of advantage. Clearly I am not getting any.
Let's take a look at another stat. I've played Fifty, DMczaf, Dskillz and Matrix twice. Any unfair advantage I would get would be reflected in my quarterback stats on the EA page. http://www.easports.com/games/madde...aders.jsp?leaderboardindex=50&leagueid=192680 Look at my hurried/knockdown/sack stats versus the four players I have played twice with my unfair playstyle. Shouldn't they be a lot higher?
My point is, I am not generating stats near the assault on the O-line that both Matrix and DM do, yet my play is BS? Also take a look at the sack stats under defense.
Both DM and Matrix and even Fifty who I played between them held the ball for upwards of 4 seconds on many pass plays. Would anyone's pass rush give that much time without forcing any kind of pressure?
This is exactly how I play the line. My opponent lines up on first or second down, I look quickly to determine which side of their formation has more players and I audible my line in that direction (L trigger, right analog stick). If the formation is weighted towards the strong side, Strahan's side, I audible them into motion on the strong side, meaning that Strahan will try and push to the outside of the LG to get to the outside run... which would see blocking help on that side. Now if it's a pass weighted to the strong side then the TE or RB or whoever is in that position will likely run out according to his route and Strahan will have the ability to round the corner and come around to the QB, who has more than enough time to get rid of the ball because of the distance Strahan has to travel. On obvious passing downs I spread the line and audible a spread attack. Pretty simple stuff, but it is effective in getting my key player to the ball.
Now, if I can't do that, I don't feel that it would be fair for DM or Matrix to be able to blitz their LBs which are superior to most of the LBs in our league. If it's an issue of pressure, I think it's clear that I see more pressure than anyone other than Gunstar, so no one should be able to blitz me or send anyone in. In fact I demand only three man fronts against me so that I am not frazzled and have all the time in the world to complete my passes.
Now aside from that, I only substitute my DE (Strahan) and my DT (Hand) when I play. I don't bother to sub in my injured SS, my two injured FS, my injured MLB, or my other injured DE. It's clear that I don't when Fifty completed a pass through two of my defenders into Reggie Wayne's hands for an 83 yard TD. As we all know, the Giants this season have been racked with defensive injuries. Are we or are we not allowed to put in our injured players?
I think I make a strong case, and it was never an issue before last night. I think it's low of DM, who I have played dozens of times, to go ahead and call my playstyle BS behind my back when he could have easily said something to me via IRC or AIM any of the times we played. Fifty and Konex said that my usage of the hopstep in NBA2K5 was cheesy and I stopped using it. Speaking of Fifty, I had played him between my games with DM and Matrix, and he did not say anything was wrong with how I played. Here are the QB stats for that game:
Fifty
Wellie
And that is the end of my defense. Again I shall repeat that I feel I should be allowed to use Strahan the way I do, meaning I do not do anything cheap with him such as moving him off the LOS. It's unfortunate that rather than being applauded for creating a pass rush in the midst of a terrible defense that I am instead heckled and told that I am cheating. I personally face more pressure than anyone other than Gunstar, as I have said above, and I deal with it to the point that I am second in the league in passing yardage.
I would like to read Matrix, DM, and Fifty chime in against my use of Strahan. Sorry to drag this out, but I believe in fair play and if I am cheating in any way I would like to correct my behavior.
Here is my case as to why I should be allowed to use Strahan.
The main issue that Matrix raised is the pressure that I had been getting on him, saying that I did not play like that before, and DM agreed, and even added that my playstyle is BS. Let me examine the statistics behind their claim using EA's own stat page which we can all reference. I will assume that each stat is mutually exclusive (If I get a knockdown it's a knockdown and not a hurry, if I get a sack it's not a knockdown or a hurry).
Last night's game with Matrix saw these statistics for play calling as I posted above:
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Statistics Wellie matrixadw
Rushing attempts for 38 6
Rushing yards for 213 23
Passing attempts for 25 28
Passing yards for 239 172Notice he has three more passing plays than I do, and his percentage of running plays overall was less than 20%, so I played the pass for every possession after the first quarter. Here are the pressure stats:
Matrix
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Quarterback
Hurries 6
Knockdowns 1
Times Sacked 3A total of 10 instances of pressure, and as I mentioned last night, two of the sacks came in his final drive when he was trying to gun it downfield. Here are my pressure stats:
Wellie
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Quarterback
Hurries 5
Knockdowns 2
Times Sacked 2A total of nine instances of pressure spread throughout the whole game. Just like Matrix kept extra blockers in to fend off my line, I was holding in extra blockers to fend off his LBs.
He says I had not played like that before, here are the stats for our game earlier this season:
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Statistics Wellie matrixadw
Rushing attempts for 10 24
Rushing yards for 28 177
Passing attempts for 20 10
Passing yards for 49 100Matrix
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Quarterback
Hurries 2
Knockdowns 1
Times Sacked 1Wellie
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Quarterback
Hurries 2
Knockdowns 1
Times Sacked 5Of course, four pressure situations in 10 plays is actually pretty good, but he had the same ratio with eight pressure situations in 20 pass plays. The 40% pressure ratio is even better than the 35% I had last night against him.
DM, the other guy in this picture, saying that my playstyle is BS did this against me.
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Statistics Wellie DMczaf
Rushing attempts for 21 18
Rushing yards for 79 34
Passing attempts for 21 32
Passing yards for 69 275Wellie
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Quarterback
Hurries 10
Knockdowns 3
Times Sacked 3DMczaf
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Quarterback
Hurries 3
Knockdowns 0
Times Sacked 5With 11 less passing plays DM manages to double the amount of pressure situations on me that I can put him into. Not only that, but on Saturday DM was saying that the way he would beat me when I tried the bump and run was to hold onto the ball longer so that his guys can get open. And yet in 32 tries I managed to pressure him a quarter of it... and he says my play style is BS?
I think what is happening here is that due to my unexpectedly bad performance last year, my opponents expect me to be a push over. Now that I am not, they need an excuse. The facts and stats are all here.
Let's look at the first game between DM and myself. I called 38 passing plays, he called 46.
DMczaf
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Quarterback
Hurries 11
Knockdowns 4
Times Sacked 1Wellie
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Quarterback
Hurries 16
Knockdowns 7
Times Sacked 528 out of my 38 passing attempts were met with pressure, 16 of his 46 were met with pressure. I really do believe that for something to be called BS, it needs to give me some sort of advantage. Clearly I am not getting any.
Let's take a look at another stat. I've played Fifty, DMczaf, Dskillz and Matrix twice. Any unfair advantage I would get would be reflected in my quarterback stats on the EA page. http://www.easports.com/games/madde...aders.jsp?leaderboardindex=50&leagueid=192680 Look at my hurried/knockdown/sack stats versus the four players I have played twice with my unfair playstyle. Shouldn't they be a lot higher?
My point is, I am not generating stats near the assault on the O-line that both Matrix and DM do, yet my play is BS? Also take a look at the sack stats under defense.
Both DM and Matrix and even Fifty who I played between them held the ball for upwards of 4 seconds on many pass plays. Would anyone's pass rush give that much time without forcing any kind of pressure?
This is exactly how I play the line. My opponent lines up on first or second down, I look quickly to determine which side of their formation has more players and I audible my line in that direction (L trigger, right analog stick). If the formation is weighted towards the strong side, Strahan's side, I audible them into motion on the strong side, meaning that Strahan will try and push to the outside of the LG to get to the outside run... which would see blocking help on that side. Now if it's a pass weighted to the strong side then the TE or RB or whoever is in that position will likely run out according to his route and Strahan will have the ability to round the corner and come around to the QB, who has more than enough time to get rid of the ball because of the distance Strahan has to travel. On obvious passing downs I spread the line and audible a spread attack. Pretty simple stuff, but it is effective in getting my key player to the ball.
Now, if I can't do that, I don't feel that it would be fair for DM or Matrix to be able to blitz their LBs which are superior to most of the LBs in our league. If it's an issue of pressure, I think it's clear that I see more pressure than anyone other than Gunstar, so no one should be able to blitz me or send anyone in. In fact I demand only three man fronts against me so that I am not frazzled and have all the time in the world to complete my passes.
Now aside from that, I only substitute my DE (Strahan) and my DT (Hand) when I play. I don't bother to sub in my injured SS, my two injured FS, my injured MLB, or my other injured DE. It's clear that I don't when Fifty completed a pass through two of my defenders into Reggie Wayne's hands for an 83 yard TD. As we all know, the Giants this season have been racked with defensive injuries. Are we or are we not allowed to put in our injured players?
I think I make a strong case, and it was never an issue before last night. I think it's low of DM, who I have played dozens of times, to go ahead and call my playstyle BS behind my back when he could have easily said something to me via IRC or AIM any of the times we played. Fifty and Konex said that my usage of the hopstep in NBA2K5 was cheesy and I stopped using it. Speaking of Fifty, I had played him between my games with DM and Matrix, and he did not say anything was wrong with how I played. Here are the QB stats for that game:
Fifty
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Quarterback
Hurries 1
Knockdowns 0
Times Sacked 3Wellie
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Quarterback
Hurries 18
Knockdowns 9
Times Sacked 0And that is the end of my defense. Again I shall repeat that I feel I should be allowed to use Strahan the way I do, meaning I do not do anything cheap with him such as moving him off the LOS. It's unfortunate that rather than being applauded for creating a pass rush in the midst of a terrible defense that I am instead heckled and told that I am cheating. I personally face more pressure than anyone other than Gunstar, as I have said above, and I deal with it to the point that I am second in the league in passing yardage.
I would like to read Matrix, DM, and Fifty chime in against my use of Strahan. Sorry to drag this out, but I believe in fair play and if I am cheating in any way I would like to correct my behavior.
All I did was answered Matrix's questions. I wasn't going around telling people after our game that your playstyle was BS. Matrix was asking me during your game if you played like that against me and if I felt it was BS. Only reason I felt it was BS was because you had some way of knocking my lineman down most of the time. If Matrix never asked, I would have probably never said anything.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
I most likely would have never said anything if you hadnt called my playstyle bs on aim :lol It works both ways and CK you can play whatever way you want...I dont care,I consider you beating me fair and square now that I understand the rules.
Dont get mad at DM,I should have never brought his name into it....its just I asked him if that was your play style against him cause I hadnt seen that at all in your last game,we both just felt it was amazing that our O-lines couldnt hold back Strahan.Its funny but even though the EA stats say I wasnt hurried that often,I truly felt like I had no time to do anything on passing,its my own fault I didnt run or mix it up,I only blame my stupid self for that.
Dont get mad at DM,I should have never brought his name into it....its just I asked him if that was your play style against him cause I hadnt seen that at all in your last game,we both just felt it was amazing that our O-lines couldnt hold back Strahan.Its funny but even though the EA stats say I wasnt hurried that often,I truly felt like I had no time to do anything on passing,its my own fault I didnt run or mix it up,I only blame my stupid self for that.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
I probably have played CK more than anyone here, he doesn't do anything with Strahan that anyone else can't do with his DE or DT. If CK was going around your O-line to get the sack or pressure, then that would be an issue, but going through an offensive lineman is not cheese or anything. He is str-8 up beating a blocker. One could argue that controlling a LB gives one alot more of an advantage because of the turbo speed given to defensive players allows that LB to cover pretty much all the field within a 15-20 yards of the LOS. But now controlling a DE/DT is now considered cheese?
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Well sometimes he clearly ran around my lineman,he didnt always have to go through them.Like I said,now that I know its cool to play like that,I dont consider what he did cheese.Ck felt I was doing something that was bs and I replied back to him what I thought he was doing wasnt right.
The strange thing about Madden is that the Texans offensive line gave me more time in season one to throw the ball than the Ravens do now :|
Like I said in my earlier post,I should have simply ran more against Ck,called some audibles or some screen passes.I basically said "HEY HERE SACK ME" with the dumb style of play I was using.I got ticked and then when he called my passing game bs,well I stupidly posted about it here when I should have just talked to him over aim about it.
The strange thing about Madden is that the Texans offensive line gave me more time in season one to throw the ball than the Ravens do now :|
Like I said in my earlier post,I should have simply ran more against Ck,called some audibles or some screen passes.I basically said "HEY HERE SACK ME" with the dumb style of play I was using.I got ticked and then when he called my passing game bs,well I stupidly posted about it here when I should have just talked to him over aim about it.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
:lol Well I was bored at work. It only took about 20 minutes to type all that crap out.
It's fairly easy to beat my defense, just ask DM *grumble*. I was just a little nervous that I was going to lose the biggest piece of it in terms of run stop. Anyone can do whatever I do with Strahan in passing situations. The reason he knocks down all those o-linemen, running backs, and TEs? Look at his power rating. I can do the same with Jevon Kearse, and DM, you can do the same with Rice. Just hold B and run at the guy soon as the ball is snapped. Heck, try it in Mini-Camp. It's not like it's a major secret. Actually I think they say it on the trench battle help screen. Oh yeah you also have to press up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, B, A, start while the game is loading for 100% knockdown.
Reason I said that your passing was cheese, Matrix, is that I distinctly remembered that long discussion about it, Mig's diagram, and I also specifically remember trying it out for a few games against Dskillz with my own four wide (non-bunch) slot receiver.
Sorry about this whole mess I guess.
PS - If anyone needs tips on how to beat anyone in my conference, I can write a short novella on each person's playstyle and tendencies... just look at my post above. :0
It's fairly easy to beat my defense, just ask DM *grumble*. I was just a little nervous that I was going to lose the biggest piece of it in terms of run stop. Anyone can do whatever I do with Strahan in passing situations. The reason he knocks down all those o-linemen, running backs, and TEs? Look at his power rating. I can do the same with Jevon Kearse, and DM, you can do the same with Rice. Just hold B and run at the guy soon as the ball is snapped. Heck, try it in Mini-Camp. It's not like it's a major secret. Actually I think they say it on the trench battle help screen. Oh yeah you also have to press up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, B, A, start while the game is loading for 100% knockdown.
Reason I said that your passing was cheese, Matrix, is that I distinctly remembered that long discussion about it, Mig's diagram, and I also specifically remember trying it out for a few games against Dskillz with my own four wide (non-bunch) slot receiver.
Sorry about this whole mess I guess.
PS - If anyone needs tips on how to beat anyone in my conference, I can write a short novella on each person's playstyle and tendencies... just look at my post above. :0
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
"Oh yeah you also have to press up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, B, A, start while the game is loading for 100% knockdown. "
:lol
I'm sorry if you felt what I did was cheese,but I didnt run the same play Mig posted,I didnt even have a hb in to block.I didnt run that play at all after you said it was cheese,I'm not going to try to win by cheesing it up if someone says a certain play is wrong.Ive ran that play countless times against other people and no ones said anything to me.I only took it to heart because you were beating me and then I felt after you said that I couldnt play the way I was used to playing.
I'm sooo over this and I dont want you to change your style of play if its successful for you.I'm actually happy this is out in the open,atleast now im 100% sure on what can and cant be used.
:lol
I'm sorry if you felt what I did was cheese,but I didnt run the same play Mig posted,I didnt even have a hb in to block.I didnt run that play at all after you said it was cheese,I'm not going to try to win by cheesing it up if someone says a certain play is wrong.Ive ran that play countless times against other people and no ones said anything to me.I only took it to heart because you were beating me and then I felt after you said that I couldnt play the way I was used to playing.
I'm sooo over this and I dont want you to change your style of play if its successful for you.I'm actually happy this is out in the open,atleast now im 100% sure on what can and cant be used.
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